Stop posting the "Ad Hominem" stuff.
This is not a formal debate.
Furthermore, if you are aware of what Logical Fallacies are, surely you are aware that just screaming "Logical Fallacy" does not invalidate the whole argument, it just gives you a place to start in with a rebuttal.
Anybody who has an entire post which is only "Ad Hominem" shows that they've latched on to a top level understanding with no substance beneath.
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So aparently you've never seen Beefcake's sig?!? Nor Burnin_Ups?
Beefcakes:
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Beef Cake - 318 Badges
Day Walker - 209 Badges
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Burnin_Ups...
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Burnin Up 50 F/F Tank 315 Badges (#1 on Infinity for /#5 overall in COH)
Urban War Hero 48 AR/DEV
Mr. Mindbender 50 ILL/RAD
Representative 28 PB
Villain's
Burnin Fury 40 F/F Brute 196 Badges (Bug Hunter)
The Bone Grinder 38 N/D MM
Chargin Up 28 E/E Stalker
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Thats just to name 2.... of which Beefcake posted only like 3 posts above yours 
jeez... can you read? lmao 
As stated by SherrickM... Certain badges have a time-line requriement. If your toon was created before the event of said badge, tough. Its no different than creating a toon after an event and then expecting that badge to mysteriously show up, just cause. Nothing stopped these individuals from creating a new toon (Now or several issues ago) and obtain Isolator. I also agree with Memphis_Bill that their should be a badge that simply says " your toon predates badges ", but as he pointed out, others would complain about this as well.
No, you missed the point.
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But that's only, what, two people? And what two people do does not invalidate the argument of the whole group.
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I disagree. There is a world of difference in missing an event that ran for a specified timeframe and a permanent badge that had the system been in place at the time would have been obtained.
For me personally, I do not mind not having isolator. But, it would be lying to say that I would love to have it. I would do whatever task they set before me to get it. At least, short of deleting and recreating my collector. Because losing the badges I have now is paramont cutting off my nose despite my face.
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no difference at all. The time you chose to play the character in did not qualify for a particular badge. Whether it be a zone specific badge, or a kills badge, whatever it may be. The character does not have the badge, because during the time the character was created and played, there was no badge.
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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The difference to me is that those other badges were especially created for each of those events. This is not a limited event like Halloween or the Winter Lord. Isolator is a permanent badge.
I realize why he does not have the badge. I said in my post.
--Rad
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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The difference to me is that those other badges were especially created for each of those events. This is not a limited event like Halloween or the Winter Lord. Isolator is a permanent badge.
I realize why he does not have the badge. I said in my post.
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However, Isolator was specifically created for Outbreak.
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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The difference to me is that those other badges were especially created for each of those events. This is not a limited event like Halloween or the Winter Lord. Isolator is a permanent badge.
I realize why he does not have the badge. I said in my post.
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However, Isolator was specifically created for Outbreak.
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Correct it was. And my character went through it. Problem is that the badge was not ceated.
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I disagree. There is a world of difference in missing an event that ran for a specified timeframe and a permanent badge that had the system been in place at the time would have been obtained.
For me personally, I do not mind not having isolator. But, it would be lying to say that I would love to have it. I would do whatever task they set before me to get it. At least, short of deleting and recreating my collector. Because losing the badges I have now is paramont cutting off my nose despite my face.
--Rad
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no difference at all. The time you chose to play the character in did not qualify for a particular badge. Whether it be a zone specific badge, or a kills badge, whatever it may be. The character does not have the badge, because during the time the character was created and played, there was no badge.
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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The difference to me is that those other badges were especially created for each of those events. This is not a limited event like Halloween or the Winter Lord. Isolator is a permanent badge.
I realize why he does not have the badge. I said in my post.
--Rad
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As noted, it is no different... Isolator began to show up on X date & time. The halloween badges showed up on Y date & time. The one yr aniv badge showed up on Z date & time. Its NO different. Time line badges are for being in the right place at the right time. They are NOT hunt badges, exploration badges, history badges, mission badges, etc. They are for being present at the right place at the right time. Thats it, its that simple. Any toons created before the creation of badges simply were not in the right place (outbreak) at the right time. How is that any different? These individuals could have created a new toon at that point in time and obtained said badge, but no... they rather complain over a yr later. It would have been SOOOO easy to just create a new toon then and obtain it.
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Correct it was. And my character went through it. Problem is that the badge was not ceated.
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Maybe it's because I'm sick and not thinking that clearly at the moment, but what?
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yes you said when new content is added to the game you can go back. new content was added to the tutorial which last time i checked is part of the game. you cannot go back and get it. hence your statement isnt always true which is the point im trying to make.
i did indeed read the entire thread. you want to get the isolator badge on a toon that outleveled it before it was added. as i have said several times, you cant so roll another toon.
reading comprehension is a pain, huh?
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Actually, in the case of Outbreak, the addition of Flower Knight in the tutorial zone would count as new content.
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Look, can someone just call someone else a Nazi on this thread and let it die? You've all stated your arguments and have drawn the skirmish lines that neither side is going to cross. No-one is going to convince LiquidX that the principle of being able to get badges you missed is a good thing, just like no-one is going to convince Zubeen... Zubenelgenaki... Zebalski... that guy that he shouldn't be able to get Isolator because he missed it the first time.
Right now you are just adding to postcounts. Hopefully Positron is aware of what he's caused in this thread.
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Actually, people have gotten me to change my mind about things before. Such as Puretones suggestion in the last Isolator thread about adding a different description to Isolator if it WAS changed so you can get it later on. I liked that idea.
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I disagree. There is a world of difference in missing an event that ran for a specified timeframe and a permanent badge that had the system been in place at the time would have been obtained.
For me personally, I do not mind not having isolator. But, it would be lying to say that I would love to have it. I would do whatever task they set before me to get it. At least, short of deleting and recreating my collector. Because losing the badges I have now is paramont cutting off my nose despite my face.
--Rad
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no difference at all. The time you chose to play the character in did not qualify for a particular badge. Whether it be a zone specific badge, or a kills badge, whatever it may be. The character does not have the badge, because during the time the character was created and played, there was no badge.
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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The difference to me is that those other badges were especially created for each of those events. This is not a limited event like Halloween or the Winter Lord. Isolator is a permanent badge.
I realize why he does not have the badge. I said in my post.
--Rad
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As noted, it is no different... Isolator began to show up on X date & time. The halloween badges showed up on Y date & time. The one yr aniv badge showed up on Z date & time. Its NO different. Time line badges are for being in the right place at the right time. They are NOT hunt badges, exploration badges, history badges, mission badges, etc. They are for being present at the right place at the right time. Thats it, its that simple. Any toons created before the creation of badges simply were not in the right place (outbreak) at the right time. How is that any different? These individuals could have created a new toon at that point in time and obtained said badge, but no... they rather complain over a yr later. It would have been SOOOO easy to just create a new toon then and obtain it.
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Did you read my first post?
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At least, short of deleting and recreating my collector. Because losing the badges I have now is paramont cutting off my nose despite my face.
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I have other characters with the badge. I realize how easy it is to get for those characters.
A little oversimplifying aren't you? All badges are being at the right place at the right time. Truely, the only badges that fit that criteria is Celebrant, Heart Of Darkness, and Jetsetter/Longbow Reservist. Why? Because only those require no more then being online between the given times. All others require some action in game action by the player such as exploring the city, reading the historical plaques, or deafeating certain enemies.
Also from my original post I said it does not bother me not having it.
I don't agree with your assement. And I will leave it at that.
--Rad
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Correct it was. And my character went through it. Problem is that the badge was not ceated.
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Maybe it's because I'm sick and not thinking that clearly at the moment, but what?
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And that, LiquidX, is what I get for posting at work and trying to do both... That should have read:
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Correct it was. And my character went through it. Problem is that the badge was not created.
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A little oversimplifying aren't you? All badges are being at the right place at the right time. Truely, the only badges that fit that criteria is Celebrant, Heart Of Darkness, and Jetsetter/Longbow Reservist. Why? Because only those require no more then being online between the given times. All others require some action in game action by the player such as exploring the city, reading the historical plaques, or deafeating certain enemies.
Also from my original post I said it does not bother me not having it.
I don't agree with your assement. And I will leave it at that.
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Realize this.... The "action" of obtaining Isolator is creation of a toon. This places said individual in the right place at the right time to collect this badge. Even then there is an option to completely bypass the Tutorial. Should those individuals be allowed to obtain isolator?!? I guess that becomes the real question. If you want all badges easily obtained, why not ask Positron to just grant every toon created all badges... period. Thats essentially what ppl asking to have a means of obtaining Isolator want. Simply put, its not fair to those who DID recreate a toon and start all over in the tutorial just to earn that badge. Nothing stopped you, nothing stopped anyone who posted in this thread.
So I guess what all of you want is a new option to appear when creating a new toon...
" would you like to skip the tutorial and be given this nice shiny new badge... oh and how about we lvl you up to lvl 30 since you've already done the first 30 lvls a few dozen times. While we are at it we'll give you 50 mill in Influence and how does a 12x12 base fully loaded sound? Great we knew you'd like it. "
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Granted, I understand that you are expressing an opinion about the game. I get that. But your opinion has, as its foundation, the idea that you get to decide what is good for other players and/or the game as a whole. And that is completely unreasonable.
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Of course you do realize that you are essentially doing the same thing, just from the other side of the point of view.
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Utter nonsense.
Get Isolator on your toons or don't. Paint your house blue or don't. It doesn't affect me. I have not, nor will I EVER say that your particular characters should NEVER be allowed to have this badge, that badge, or some other badge.
You, LiquidX, and a couple of others, however, don't seem to want to extend that same courtesy to me.
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We are not saying that. You can get the badge, just create another toon. Voila.
But, you want it on your current one, well then you are taking missions and CoH/CoV development away from me. The time that it takes Cryptic to come up with a mission that allows you to get Isolator is time that they are not spending on End-game development, new powersets, Epic ATs, zone updates or any other number of things I would rather see.
Getting them to put in manhours developping a mission for isolator, or datamining so that they can figure out who should get it and on what heroes is, in my opinion, a colossal waste of time.
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A little oversimplifying aren't you? All badges are being at the right place at the right time. Truely, the only badges that fit that criteria is Celebrant, Heart Of Darkness, and Jetsetter/Longbow Reservist. Why? Because only those require no more then being online between the given times. All others require some action in game action by the player such as exploring the city, reading the historical plaques, or deafeating certain enemies.
Also from my original post I said it does not bother me not having it.
I don't agree with your assement. And I will leave it at that.
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Realize this.... The "action" of obtaining Isolator is creation of a toon. This places said individual in the right place at the right time to collect this badge. Even then there is an option to completely bypass the Tutorial. Should those individuals be allowed to obtain isolator?!? I guess that becomes the real question. If you want all badges easily obtained, why not ask Positron to just grant every toon created all badges... period. Thats essentially what ppl asking to have a means of obtaining Isolator want. Simply put, its not fair to those who DID recreate a toon and start all over in the tutorial just to earn that badge. Nothing stopped you, nothing stopped anyone who posted in this thread.
So I guess what all of you want is a new option to appear when creating a new toon...
" would you like to skip the tutorial and be given this nice shiny new badge... oh and how about we lvl you up to lvl 30 since you've already done the first 30 lvls a few dozen times. While we are at it we'll give you 50 mill in Influence and how does a 12x12 base fully loaded sound? Great we knew you'd like it. "
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Realize this ... The action of getting isolator is killing 50 Contaminated. Not creating a toon. The limiting factor is where they spawn.
Should those that choose to skip it get a chance? No, because they made a choice not to go there and do it. I was never given that the opportunity to obtain that badge with that character. I don't want them to give all badges at creation, I want the opportunity to earn them.
The rest of you post was an extentsion of that hyperbole which I will not address.
--Rad
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You here to look down on people too Tremere?
No one in this thread is asking for anything more then a chance to earn the badge which they never had the right to earn when the badge was introduced to all of us.
No people did not want to delete their hero to get a badge, some people did and most did not, I know of 4 people on 6 servers that deleted their toons, that is not many if you ask me.
And NO, the option to skip tutorial was not introduced when badges where here, we all had to go through tutorial as you do now in CoV. I may be mistaken but I believe the option to skip Tutorial was in Issue 3 maybe late issue 2 after badges were introduced.
But never once did I or anyone I see in this thread ask for more then what we missed the chanced to get. hell I was even willing to be lowered to level 1 and start my career over if I could as long as I did not lose the badges I currently have and work my way back up to 50.
I wish I could find the old Poll someone created on a different site seeing how many would like the chance to get this badge, because I specifically remember there were over 1,000 people who said yes, and only 71 or 81 said no.
Not that makes a difference but the numbers show how many actually got the short end of the stick when badges came out.
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I'd be willing to do that too
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So aparently you've never seen Beefcake's sig?!? Nor Burnin_Ups?
Beefcakes:
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Proud Member & Captain of Jagged Legion
Pinnacle's Leading Badge Holder for CoH and CoV
Beef Cake - 318 Badges
Day Walker - 209 Badges
Global Handle: @Beef Cake
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Whats the problem with my sig?
Its put there because I wanted to, I'm proud of what I have accomplished so why not share it. Its not there to say ha ha I have more then you, because in the long run, everyone could have the same count in badges. Again there is no winner, its just a hobby that I take part of when I play this game.
If you or anyone else is jealous of that , then thats your problem you too can accomplish the same thing if you are dedicated as I am.
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We are not saying that. You can get the badge, just create another toon. Voila.
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And of course you know this is not what is meant.
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But, you want it on your current one, well then you are taking missions and CoH/CoV development away from me. The time that it takes Cryptic to come up with a mission that allows you to get Isolator is time that they are not spending on End-game development, new powersets, Epic ATs, zone updates or any other number of things I would rather see.
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Wow. Why are your wants more important then other paying customers?
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Getting them to put in manhours developping a mission for isolator, or datamining so that they can figure out who should get it and on what heroes is, in my opinion, a colossal waste of time.
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I'm sorry you feel it is a colossal waste of time. I respectually disagree.
--Rad
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No one in this thread is asking for anything more then a chance to earn the badge which they never had the right to earn when the badge was introduced to all of us.
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You had that chance ( and heck you STILL DO) just create a new toon... you could have done it then, you can do it now.
SIMPLE AS THAT!!!!!
Edit: unless I missed something, NOTHING stopped you from creating a new toon when Isolator & badges were introduced. Deal with it.
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I am dedicated.... I have isolator, ofcourse I was smart enough to restart my toon
As for your badge count.... I wouldnt take pride in finding ways to exploit wholes in the game system that the devs overlooked... for example: earning the badge for defeating Kronos... that should be a hero only badge, yet your proudly boast that you've earned it. Even after Pos has said that this was a mistake. The fact that you want to increase your badge count by earning Isolator falls in this category as well... sad, very very sad
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No one in this thread is asking for anything more then a chance to earn the badge which they never had the right to earn when the badge was introduced to all of us.
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You had that chance ( and heck you STILL DO) just create a new toon... you could have done it then, you can do it now.
SIMPLE AS THAT!!!!!
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LMAO!!! In any context, what collector is going to through away all their collectables, including the rares they know they may not get back for one item?
Honestly, this has been covered.
--Rad
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No one in this thread is asking for anything more then a chance to earn the badge which they never had the right to earn when the badge was introduced to all of us.
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You had that chance ( and heck you STILL DO) just create a new toon... you could have done it then, you can do it now.
SIMPLE AS THAT!!!!!
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LMAO!!! In any context, what collector is going to through away all their collectables, including the rares they know they may not get back for one item?
Honestly, this has been covered.
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Nothing stopped you for anyone else from restarting their toons MONTHS ago.... thats the bottom line... you didnt have to throw away ANYTHING, simple earn isolator around I2... by creating a new toon then... those that didnt, want the easy way out... simple as that.
Edit: as far as the collector point of view... Ive already stated I support a new badge being added that simply says " I predate badges " (well not that exactly but HOPEFULLY you get the point... hedging my bets though)
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No one in this thread is asking for anything more then a chance to earn the badge which they never had the right to earn when the badge was introduced to all of us.
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You had that chance ( and heck you STILL DO) just create a new toon... you could have done it then, you can do it now.
SIMPLE AS THAT!!!!!
Edit: unless I missed something, NOTHING stopped you from creating a new toon when Isolator & badges were introduced. Deal with it.
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DING DING DING!
We have another person with reading comprehension!
I said in a earlier post that most of the player base including myself never knew that this badge was not going to be available other then Outbreak and besides, I was not going to delete a level 50 where I spent all of my time and money to get him to 50 for a badge. if my hero was level 30 or below, then yeah I would have done so.
I hope this was simple enough for you to understand this time, as I hate repeating myself to people who can not read a simple thread and understand it at the same time.
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If you or anyone else is jealous of that , then thats your problem you too can accomplish the same thing if you are dedicated as I am.
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I am dedicated.... I have isolator, ofcourse I was smart enough to restart my toon
As for your badge count.... I wouldnt take pride in finding ways to exploit wholes in the game system that the devs overlooked... for example: earning the badge for defeating Kronos... that should be a hero only badge, yet your proudly boast that you've earned it. Even after Pos has said that this was a mistake. The fact that you want to increase your badge count by earning Isolator falls in this category as well... sad, very very sad
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And yet this so called exploit/cheating/loopholes you as call it can be justified by a PM I sent to CuppaJo asking if this was working ok, and if it wasnt would the badge be removed and she replied to me specifically that "This is the way ambushes work, If you can earn the badge on your villain it will not be taken away"
If you would like I will gladly do a screen shot of this and show you. OH but wait, I amy no how to edit pictures since Im soo good at exploiting!
HAHAHA
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So aparently you've never seen Beefcake's sig?!? Nor Burnin_Ups?
jeez... can you read? lmao 
Beefcakes:
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Pinnacle's Leading Badge Holder for CoH and CoV
Beef Cake - 318 Badges
Day Walker - 209 Badges
Global Handle: @Beef Cake
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Burnin_Ups...
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Burnin Up 50 F/F Tank 315 Badges (#1 on Infinity for /#5 overall in COH)
Urban War Hero 48 AR/DEV
Mr. Mindbender 50 ILL/RAD
Representative 28 PB
Villain's
Burnin Fury 40 F/F Brute 196 Badges (Bug Hunter)
The Bone Grinder 38 N/D MM
Chargin Up 28 E/E Stalker
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Thats just to name 2.... of which Beefcake posted only like 3 posts above yours
As stated by SherrickM... Certain badges have a time-line requriement. If your toon was created before the event of said badge, tough. Its no different than creating a toon after an event and then expecting that badge to mysteriously show up, just cause. Nothing stopped these individuals from creating a new toon (Now or several issues ago) and obtain Isolator. I also agree with Memphis_Bill that their should be a badge that simply says " your toon predates badges ", but as he pointed out, others would complain about this as well.
No, you missed the point.