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Aggro cap. Herding is forever dead.

9783_Dollar_Man

By 9783_Dollar_Man,
Posted on: 2005-10-27 15:39 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion

 

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Did I say mediocrity equaled the inability to fight +5s? Did I say anything at all about herding Dreck maps? I despise herding, it's incredibly boring. Did you not notice where I said I had not been powerleveled even one level?

[/ QUOTE ]Do you always answer questions with questions?

 

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It's called a rhetorical question, because the answer is obvious.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

"Nothing is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man."

- Thomas Jefferson

 

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It's called a rhetorical question, because the answer is obvious.

[/ QUOTE ]Only if we're in your head. Which we aren't.

 

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Or if you have a reasonable level of critical thinking skill and associative ability.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

"Nothing is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man."

- Thomas Jefferson

 

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Heh sweet no more accidently pulling so many ninjas they lag out and i cant attack.

on a more serious note..this sux

Why would i bother playing my stone tank now?

 

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erm wow why the heck is my name red?

 

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DONT COMPLAIN

=P

 

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Or if you have a reasonable level of critical thinking skill and associative ability.

[/ QUOTE ]You're so busy defending yourself that you didn't notice you weren't being attacked. Except for that PL thing earlier.[ QUOTE ]
You call mediocrity not being able to fight +5 purples anymore without any help AT ALL?....Throw a silly taunt and aggro 16 thugs like flies to garbage? HE-LLO!!!

What do you miss? The out-blown defenses we got from 32+?....Herding half the map set on invincible?.

[/ QUOTE ]Looks to me that aqshy was asking you to clairfy what you meant by "mediocre", not if you called (notice the lack of the past tense in the quote) it being able to fight +5 purples and herding half the map. Not only were you answering a question with a question, you answered a question that wasn't even asked!

Physician, heal thyself.

 

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erm wow why the heck is my name red?

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Quick Edit Statesman's posts now!

Anounce all Tanks getting a base 20% resist vs all!

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Not for nothing but a flat 20% base for tanker resists would be great. A new inherit power that actually does something useful to us.

 

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erm wow why the heck is my name red?

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Quick Edit Statesman's posts now!

Anounce all Tanks getting a base 20% resist vs all!

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Not for nothing but a flat 20% base for tanker resists would be great. A new inherit power that actually does something useful to us.

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Hmm, I'd even accept a drop in HP to balance it.

This is a song about a super hero named Tony. Its called Tony's theme.
Jagged Reged: 23/01/04

 

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Or if you have a reasonable level of critical thinking skill and associative ability.

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You call mediocrity not being able to fight +5 purples anymore without any help AT ALL?....Throw a silly taunt and aggro 16 thugs like flies to garbage? HE-LLO!!!

What do you miss? The out-blown defenses we got from 32+?....Herding half the map set on invincible?.

[/ QUOTE ]Looks to me that aqshy was asking you to clairfy what you meant by "mediocre", not if you called (notice the lack of the past tense in the quote) it being able to fight +5 purples and herding half the map. Not only were you answering a question with a question, you answered a question that wasn't even asked!

Physician, heal thyself.

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And your reading comprehension is abysmal.

Aqshy was not asking for clarification. Go read his post again. No, on second thought, don't bother. I'd point out exactly what he was saying, but something tells me you would deny that he was in fact saying that.

Once again we see that subtlety is wasted on the simple-minded.

I will spend no more time on someone of your paltry intelligence quotient.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

"Nothing is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man."

- Thomas Jefferson

 

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Yep - this is the AI change to "fix" herding...

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Check your records amigo, because my INV scrapper still draws more than 15 mobs. I don't want to, but I do. Scrapper Invincibility has a ridiculous aggro radius based on my ability to rebuff said mobs, and I have documented drawing between 18 and 25 mobs in missions.

Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a *real* useful invention. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...t-sarcasm.html

 

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And your reading comprehension is abysmal.

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Aqshy was not asking for clarification. Go read his post again. No, on second thought, don't bother. I'd point out exactly what he was saying, but something tells me you would deny that he was in fact saying that.

[/ QUOTE ]Actually, I wouldn't deny anything. I have no doubt that you think he said something to malign your character. I would think that too if I were in a combative mood. It's a simple matter of reading from a certain point of view and I sure as hell don't share yours.

If having a different point of view makes me simple-minded in your eyes, so be it. Must be a whole bunch of us running around.

 

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Once again we see that subtlety is wasted on the simple-minded.

I will spend no more time on someone of your paltry intelligence quotient.

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Mmmm...superiority complex...tastes good with a side of ego..

 

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Once again we see that subtlety is wasted on the simple-minded.

I will spend no more time on someone of your paltry intelligence quotient.

[/ QUOTE ]Mmmm...superiority complex...tastes good with a side of ego..

[/ QUOTE ]I'd say something but Mr_C is being defensive enough as it is.

 

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Once again we see that subtlety is wasted on the simple-minded.

I will spend no more time on someone of your paltry intelligence quotient.

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Mmmm...superiority complex...tastes good with a side of ego..

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No Kidding. Look Mr. Mensa I agree with your points, but you have got to stop being such a self absorbed [censored]. Seriously, you are probably one of those people who tries to induce hippomotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia in people in normal conversation.


And yes, I do realize the Irony of using overly large words in a conversation talking about not acting superior to everyone. Its even funnier if you check out the definition of hippomotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia here

 

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Yep - this is the AI change to "fix" herding...

[/ QUOTE ]I know that most likely you wont care about what I have to say, but I think this "fix" isnt fair to those players who happen to like taking on large groups of enemies.

[/ QUOTE ]Com'on, don't BS. The only reason to herd more than 17 mobs is to farm XP. That's why people like taking on large herds of mobs. With the right builds and team, you can easily get beaucoup XP this way very quickly.

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Uhh, no

What about doing a defeat all mish quickly?
We have to deafeat "all" the mobs, why does it matter if we do it over time or all at once. All hearding does is save time in getting xp. Same thing with slotting for a ton of damage. Are you seriously gonna tell me that slotting for lots of damage is bad?



HEY!!!! WAIT A MINUTE.....

 

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Once again we see that subtlety is wasted on the simple-minded.

I will spend no more time on someone of your paltry intelligence quotient.

[/ QUOTE ]Mmmm...superiority complex...tastes good with a side of ego..

[/ QUOTE ]I'd say something but Mr_C is being defensive enough as it is.

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But come on, look at his sig, he said he's not your friend. That means he gets to behave like an idiot and feel justified.

Antisocial for teh win!

 

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boo hoo something that made the game incredibly boring for everyone NOT the tanker is dead..

I say this knowing that as a controller I did the same thing.. made the game boring for everyone not me..

 

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Herding is not dead. It's just nerfed. Now if you wanna herd, go get another tanker to come with you. Thats 34 you can pull now. Or 2 tankers....

As for taking down AV's while you have 17 mobs on you... think again. If you actually read the post regarding the change, minions will give up their agro to lt's and bosses. So if you run into 17 groups, you'll probably end up with 17 bosses chasing you... not 17 minions. A boss will give up his agro to an AV. So herding ain't dead... you just get to herd the big boys and leave the minions in their spot.

 

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...Thank you, Statesman. I kind've like this. I just wish that this and ED had gone in before a lot of other adjustments that were seemingly put in to deal with the issues that their lack created.

A no attack "Group-Friendly" Defender is like a "Team Friendly" basketball player who won't dribble, run, or shoot, under any circumstances. "I'm a PASSER."

 

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someone aggroes the next spawn. The tanker rushes to the rescue, moving into the center of the new group - and promptly loses all aggro from the first group. The group where the short-range controller, blapper, and their defender escort are all at melee range and suddenly find themsleves facing mobs who completely forgot the tanker was even there.

[/ QUOTE ]Frankly, speaking as a Defender, I can defend myself. To imply that I can't cope with a few mobs that have dropped off the tank verges on the insulting. I've tanked spawns before when things go haywire. I can't do it forever, sure, it's stressful, and I have trouble beating them all, but i'm not some helpless flower either. All my Defenders and my Mind/Empathy controller are typically to be found in the thick of it all in some manner, having a fraction of the aggro come off of the tank to wander loose in my vicinity isn't going to kill me. I'm used to it.

A no attack "Group-Friendly" Defender is like a "Team Friendly" basketball player who won't dribble, run, or shoot, under any circumstances. "I'm a PASSER."

 

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Herding, bad (Agree)...Holding agro, good (Makes sense)...Limiting the holding power of non-herders...BAD

This might be a late look at an over discussed idea...

To me, wouldn’t it work that a stationary Taunter, who has enemies in range, be able to taunt them all and hold their attention???

Example: Doing Striga Shipboard mission…Tank agros 6 of a 10 man group…6 are on him but the spawn is 10…Wouldn’t it be more play friendly to make Taunt a conditional SPAWN power…I.E. tanker taunts the group of 10…Hit or miss is determined, but all of the members of the spawn that are in range are effected…Now the tough part…(At least coding wise)…Only one group can be effected by a taunt from an individual until the numbers of the original taunted group are less than 50%.

So 10 man spawns are in the mission…When the 5th individual in the spawn is killed, then another spawn can be effected by Taunt. This would:

1. Make careless group still get piles of agro (and Tanks trying to herd) but no control except on the first spawn effected by taunt.

2. Allows a Tank to control multiple agros (provided the first group has been reduced to 50%), to prevent an accidental “Oops I agroed another group.”

3. Allows to continue to move steadily from group to group without slowing progress…

4. Remember...Stationary Taunter...

Just my thoughts…

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