We are REGENS
We will take this on the chin
We will adapt
We we still make EVERYONE bow down with awe.
Why?
Because my friends we are regens.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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So, when are they going to put this on test? Anyone know? Or are they just going to launch and not even let us test?
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Test is a relative word with this game. They might put it ont he test servers to let us see what its like, but it will still hit live.
Due note that this info abuot ED was only brought up on the CoV beta. Originally they had no intention of telling CoH untill it actually hit with the cov launch.
EvilGeko I think we need your expert in calculating now.
Oh and regen is getting an extra kick as usual. Most of our healing is unenhanceable. No other powerset gets an unenhanceable portion.
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We are REGENS
We will take this on the chin
We will adapt
We we still make EVERYONE bow down with awe.
Why?
Because my friends we are regens.
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We are tired, because Quick Recovery's getting nerfed too.
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Due note that this info abuot ED was only brought up on the CoV beta. Originally they had no intention of telling CoH untill it actually hit with the cov launch.
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Not completely true. NDA would lift before CoV went live, and it would get out then, if not sooner.
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And that is why we need to do testing, gather data and present arguments in a calm manner.
@Catwhoorg "Rule of Three - Finale" Arc# 1984
@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
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And that is why we need to do testing, gather data and present arguments in a calm manner.
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Yes, because this got such good results the last three times. 
Please consider that: The last three times. This is out of hand.
Also, [censored] testing. I'm sick of it. I'm tired of the devs saying "We're changing your character drastically. Again. Please go test these numbers so we can make a few token changes. If you're really good, we might lie to you about the likelihood of future changes."
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Numbers are posted on the CoV forums. Do a search for posts by me over there during the last two days. You'll find the post.
If you are in the Beta, shoot me a PM on the beta boards and I'll discuss more with you.
Virtue: multiple characters.
CoH/V: Woot! Maybe Fun is to be had once again.
Ack! RUN! Regen is glowing mean & green!
If it reduces you, it's a nerf.
If it buffs the mobs, it's challenge.
They are not the same.
Thanks Darth. This is going to help. Thanks for taking the time to make this.
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I just wish they would comeout and tell us the diminished rates. Seeing as how we will be able to see it on screen when we drop them into the power slots, it will take the number crunchers on the test server all of 3 minutes to calculate it when it does. So instead of saying VERY LARGE DROP IN EFFECTIVENESS, tell us that the 4th slot only gives +15%, 5th gives +10, and 6th gives +.05
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wholeheartedly agreed. some numbers, like this set, should be given out.
Level 50 is a journey, not a destination.
▲Scrapper Issues List - Going Rogue Edition▲
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And that is why we need to do testing, gather data and present arguments in a calm manner.
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I think we need to start a new campaign to remove the unenhanceable portion from our powers. That little gem makes no [censored] sense anymore with the new enhancements.
Level 50 is a journey, not a destination.
▲Scrapper Issues List - Going Rogue Edition▲
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And that is why we need to do testing, gather data and present arguments in a calm manner.
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I think we need to start a new campaign to remove the unenhanceable portion from our powers. That little gem makes no [censored] sense anymore with the new enhancements.
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/agreed
*sigh* Apologies once again to the Babylon 5 script writers for butchering a great speech 
As Londo would have said:
"Statesman, I think, knew the players were doomed. But where another Dev would surrender to common sense, he fought back with even greater nerfs. He made the players fight for every inch of each level. In my life, I have never seen anything like it. They would weep, They would pray, They would say goodbye to their loved ones, then throw themselves without fear or hesitation into the very face of the forum flames, never surrendering. No one who saw them fighting against the inevitable, could help but be moved to tears by their courage, their stubborn nobility. When they ran out of logic they used threats of quitting. When they ran out of threats they used flames and tantrums. They were magnificent. I only hope that when it is my time, I may suffer the nerfs with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. They did this on two boards. They never ran out of hope. But in the end, they ran out of enhancements. "
Two years and they are STILL nerfing Regens. You'd have thought they would have gotten it right by sheer, blind luck by now 
No matter how many fake nerfs we invented on this thread... Wow, I never saw the actual nerf coming!
They nerfed EVERYTHING :> :> :>
That must be a new record!
Anyone else find a bitter irony in the fact that each time we get screwed with, the change is even bigger than the last one? isn't this [censored] supposed to slow down and stop at some poiont?
this is my first MMO. i think it's my last.
Level 50 is a journey, not a destination.
▲Scrapper Issues List - Going Rogue Edition▲
One would hope. But then, one would hope the Devs wouldn't lie to us either.
Kung Ru - 50++ MA/Regen Scrapper
Kalleesta - 50 Necro/Dark MM
Hidden Justice - 44 Kin/Psy Defender
Altaholic
y'all notice anything funny about this snippet of posi's post on 'enhancement diversification' from friday?:
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All the Issue 4 and 5 balance adjustments were done with this system in place internally here at Cryptic. All playtests, QA checks, difficulty adjustments and balances have been done with Enhancement Diversification in mind since March 2005.
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...when you look back to geko's explanation of i4 changes to regen on 3/24?:
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That is, with Fast Healing and no Enhancements, you now Regenerate 35% of your HP in 1 minute. Now lets put in 6 SO Enhancements. 6 may seem extreme, but this is for example only. In any event, it is something we must always consider. SO Regen Enh boost Regen powers by 33%...
0.25 x (1 + (0.4 x (1 + (6 x 0.33)))) =
0.25 x (1 + (0.4 x (1 + 1.98))) =
0.25 x (1 + (0.4 x 2.98)) =
0.25 x (1 + 1.192) =
0.25 x (2.192) = 0.548
That is, with Fast Healing with 6 SO Enhancements, you now Regenerate 54.8% of your HP in 1 minute.
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(...and then he went on to talk about the changes to integration and ih, using 6-so examples for each.)
so, if i've got this right, they set the i4 levels for regen where they did based on a max 6-so setup at the then-current 0.33 heal enhancement benefit. but wait, didn't posi say they've been testing changes to the game since mid-march using the new 'diminishing returns' values for enhancements? it's sort of confusing what happened then. did they change regen in i4 to match a 0.33*6 max or 0.33*6(scaled down for diminishing returns)?
that made me wonder about the internal scrapper test results that came a month later. what did they balance to then? if they balanced to the new lower enh-benefit #s the whole time then i guess we'd be relatively okay going into this enhancement change. but that's hard to believe (it means we've been relatively overpowered since i4, up until this enh change goes in). now if they didn't--if they balanced to the old values instead--then wouldn't they have had to reduce our potency even more? and if that's the case, then introducing the new benefit #s would mean we'll be balanced to higher benefit than we can actually achieve...unless they go back and change power potency again.
i'm not trying to raise a panic here, i'm just honestly confused. and i'm not really just talking about regen here of course, it applies to all of the changes since march.
and that makes me wonder about the i5 changes and what they were based on.
it'd be nice for them to come out and tell us a little more about how they've been testing. 
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No matter how many fake nerfs we invented on this thread... Wow, I never saw the actual nerf coming!
They nerfed EVERYTHING :> :> :>
That must be a new record!
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I can't believe that either. Every barely plausible nerf we came up with they surpassed.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
time for a new avatar.
also, I'm thinking of writing an Issue 5/6 post ED slotting and powers guide. here's the draft. let me know what you think.
"Do what ever the hell you want. It doesn't matter."
Level 50 is a journey, not a destination.
▲Scrapper Issues List - Going Rogue Edition▲
LOVE the new avatar. Love it. And your guide is right on point.
Here I was thinking about the changes, yet again, to my favorite character's healing powers. Then I clicked on this thread, and a sudden realization - Stamina isn't the only endurance recovery power affected by ED - smacked me right between the eyes.
It makes sense, now, why Defiance was introduced (though it hasn't worked for my blasters beyond level 15ish); why scrapper and controller damage output was increased; why Dark Armor toggles' endurance burn was decreased ... and some of us Regens were enjoying arguably the only good thing about IH being changed to a click power: no endurance burn over time, translating to less need for Stamina with some primaries.
Well. I guess we can kiss all of those positives goodbye.
One of my dearest friends plays an Empathy defender; I've teamed with him regularly, trying to help him reach L50, and happily benefitting from his buffs and heals. When my healing rate is decreased yet again, and his ability to heal is decreased, where does that leave us?
Hey Fanboy,
I'm working on a guide as we speak as well. I am focusing on defense and resistance powers throughout the game. Just finished tankers and I am about to go into scrappers.
I say we join forces here. Send me a link of what you have compiled and I'll send you mine
EvilGeko, you are the best at regen by far. Let's get you started on the regen side if you are up for it.
Sorry, Alida ... this is Fanboy's guide:
"Do what ever the hell you want. It doesn't matter."
That sums up my feelings as well. 
well, the gist of my guide is this
"Do what ever the hell you want. It doesn't matter."
but go ahead and check my new sig link if you want to see it in detail.
Level 50 is a journey, not a destination.
▲Scrapper Issues List - Going Rogue Edition▲
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My account is paid through January 3rd, 2006. I was going to keep recurring billing going so that I could post, but in hindsight, I think it's time to let these boards and CoH go. It was fun for a time, but these devs are...well I don't have words.
Good luck guys and take care, I'll be lurking.
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I also wanted to point this out to Alida, though it's entirely possible he might elect to write something up before he leaves. I certainly wouldn't blame him if he's tired of it all; I know I am.
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So, when are they going to put this on test? Anyone know? Or are they just going to launch and not even let us test?
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Test is for discovering bugs, not for discovering if a system works.
It will go live from test with no changes to the core system.
Just like I3, I4, I5, and numerous other inbetween changes did.