SG mode to determine base rent?
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Accualt,
Posted on: 2005-08-22 09:50 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Personally, I think they should give all members of SG's a special costume slot that can only be used if you're in an sg. Sure we can still have SG mode if we just want to change the color scheme of our current costume, but give us a special slot so we dont' have to use one of our 4 and then datamine the use of that slot!
You're next, pal.
To add something similar to the Lone Stars problem, let me talk about the New Breed. This team was decided between vrious members of our main SG and added some outsider players to us.
We started in outbreak wearing Similar uniforms. These uniform where made since the beginning, one design common to all but Colours unique to each individual.
We ALWAYS play only together, we are around level 26 and do all the available TF as we reach their level ranges and we've do the TV respec together.
Problem is, we never go in SG colours, we already have a SG uniform, but it's also our individual uniform, on the opposite of many SG, at level 20 we created individual outfits, which we barely use.
Bungee, in the post I quote, there is this :
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You CAN (in the settings) make your supergroup mode costume exactly the same as your normal costume.
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with the word exactky and no mention of the chest emblem, if you have to swap your chest emblem, your costume is not exactly the same as your normal costume.
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To add something similar to the Lone Stars problem, let me talk about the New Breed. This team was decided between vrious members of our main SG and added some outsider players to us.
We started in outbreak wearing Similar uniforms. These uniform where made since the beginning, one design common to all but Colours unique to each individual.
We ALWAYS play only together, we are around level 26 and do all the available TF as we reach their level ranges and we've do the TV respec together.
Problem is, we never go in SG colours, we already have a SG uniform, but it's also our individual uniform, on the opposite of many SG, at level 20 we created individual outfits, which we barely use.
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SG colors are nothing. You can leave them defaulted to the costume. My SG's colors are bright red and orange.
For example, my level 50 uses the blacks on her default costume color, brighter reds from the SG mode and a very small dash of the orange. (belt and logo.)
My level 30 BP uses almost all yellows and some oranges from the SG.
My level 24 scrapper uses the symbol, red colored from the SG mode. *EVERYTHING* else is his black default.
You just have to be a bit creative.
Still here, even after all this time!
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Personally, I think they should give all members of SG's a special costume slot that can only be used if you're in an sg. Sure we can still have SG mode if we just want to change the color scheme of our current costume, but give us a special slot so we dont' have to use one of our 4 and then datamine the use of that slot!
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Agreed, since the beginning I would have preffered matching costumes over matching colours only.
That's why I like the lonestars idea (SG I didn't know before today), or why we created the New Breed from two posts above with matching costumes.
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Bungee, in the post I quote, there is this :
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You CAN (in the settings) make your supergroup mode costume exactly the same as your normal costume.
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with the word exactky and no mention of the chest emblem, if you have to swap your chest emblem, your costume is not exactly the same as your normal costume.
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Yep, I was agreeing with ya. 
But I was trying to give the guy a little more detail besides "Not true, that is all"
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Bungee, in the post I quote, there is this :
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You CAN (in the settings) make your supergroup mode costume exactly the same as your normal costume.
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with the word exactky and no mention of the chest emblem, if you have to swap your chest emblem, your costume is not exactly the same as your normal costume.
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The emblem is the only thing that has to change. And you don't even have to use the SG's colors, if you had colors on that slot.
My scrapper does *not* do the SG colors, but he's always in SG mode if the SG is together. His chest symbol changes from a diamond to the rampant lion.
That's the only difference.
Still here, even after all this time!
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SG colors are nothing. You can leave them defaulted to the costume. My SG's colors are bright red and orange.
For example, my level 50 uses the blacks on her default costume color, brighter reds from the SG mode and a very small dash of the orange. (belt and logo.)
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I know that, and lucky for us, when we once created the SG we choosed to match the chest emblem with our current one, and we picked two shades of blue as colours, that we don't have to use.
But the fact is since day one we stayed in our personal outfit.
If there was a mention somewhere of prestige, we could easily have use SG mode with our own colours AND emblem, but the fact is there was no mention of it before yesterday, and there will be datamining.
If the idea is to give SG a reward for thing done together, well, the New Breed only work wiht the New Breed, it's a weekly SG, and there never is teaming outside of SG (except when we have new members who need to catch up with the level 20 we all are, in that case the new one team his heroes a complete week in pickups to catch up)
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Bungee, in the post I quote, there is this :
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You CAN (in the settings) make your supergroup mode costume exactly the same as your normal costume.
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with the word exactky and no mention of the chest emblem, if you have to swap your chest emblem, your costume is not exactly the same as your normal costume.
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The emblem is the only thing that has to change. And you don't even have to use the SG's colors, if you had colors on that slot.
My scrapper does *not* do the SG colors, but he's always in SG mode if the SG is together. His chest symbol changes from a diamond to the rampant lion.
That's the only difference.
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Two examples, imagine I have a guys called the Ace of Spades and his SG emblem is the diamond, why should he wear SG uniform, even with his own colours ? Would that make sense for the Ace of Spades to wear a diamond emble ?
No I have a hero who goes bare torso, here he is, would that make sense that a sg emblem magicaly appears on him ?
These two heroes of mine NEVER go to SG mode and never will as long as the SG mode stay the way it is currently.
Don't try to explain me that is ONLY the chest symbol, these two guys simply CAN't go SG mode.
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Bungee, in the post I quote, there is this :
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You CAN (in the settings) make your supergroup mode costume exactly the same as your normal costume.
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with the word exactky and no mention of the chest emblem, if you have to swap your chest emblem, your costume is not exactly the same as your normal costume.
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The emblem is the only thing that has to change. And you don't even have to use the SG's colors, if you had colors on that slot.
My scrapper does *not* do the SG colors, but he's always in SG mode if the SG is together. His chest symbol changes from a diamond to the rampant lion.
That's the only difference.
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For some of us that is a major difference. One that we'd rather not have to make in order to qualify for a base.
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As to my comment that is so insulting, it wasn't me who said it originally. It is what is said almost everytime a dev speaks nowadays because...it actually is. I mean, just when you think they've mined the farthest depths of ignorance, they find another vein. All I've done is make the observation that it's a widespread comment, expectation, and undeniable truth.
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Oh, Puh-LEEZ! So if I kick your dog, and you say "don't kick my dog!" I can say "Well, THAT guy kicked your dog, so I figured it was OK." And that makes it so?
You shoot your mouth off, and then hide behind the spectre of "someone" you're quoting? Again I say, Puh-LEEZ. If I were a dev making this decision, and had only your comments by which to judge the validity of the decision, the LAST thing I would want to do is appease you given that attitude. Actually, I'd say "all players have to dress as Heidi to get a base."
Oh, and here's another that's been said before: "I had no idea how much fun I wasn't having 'til I read the forums".
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I love you, but you're an egotist. At least Erratic has style.
Now THAT is shooting my mouth off *blowkiss*
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OK, since more than one person has called me out on this:
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SG need more room. LOTS more room. Yes, the majority of SGs may be smaller, but some of the most loyal groups in this game are simply too big to fit in one SG. Our alts should all be contributing to the same base, not 4 different bases because of the arbitrarily low limit of 75 per SG. Never have I seen a good technical (or any other) reason why 75 must be the limit. Raise the limit, preferably by a factor of at least 5, or even abolish it altogether. This is major obstacle to Prestige being a workable system.
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Um, the SG versus SG has been stated succinctly as the reason for the 75 (ie 150 toon limit for gigantic battles.)
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Yes, that is a reason for the 75 limit. However, in my opinion, it's not a good reason. That implies that SG size is being limited purely for PvP reasons; only a minority of the game's players care about PvP, and I refuse to believe that it is impossible to limit the size of SG battles without limiting the size of the SG itself. It may be easier and more convenient to do it that way, but that doesn't mean it must be so.
Just wanted to say that we still do not have any redname confirmation that prestige will have anything to do with basebuilding.
Further up the thread, Lord_Recluse said:
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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.
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Good enough?
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Further up the thread, Lord_Recluse said:
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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.
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Good enough?
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Please point out how this confirms that you need prestige for building a base. All it says is that prestige and SG-mode is related.
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Just because you're in SG mode doesn't mean you automatically get Prestige. You still have to do things.
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One of CoH's strengths is character customizability, and one of the cool things about SG colors is the ability to put them on when you want to. My concern about this system is that you end up discouraging the former by rewarding players for going in SG mode all the time, and you discourage the latter because people who want to keep their unique looks will do no more than sport the SG insignia in their default colors.
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If this is happening, then free SG colour respecs should be given, then with MORE options and even additional costume pieces with SG colour customisation applicable to EACH costume slot rather than one carry-all colourscheme that may or may not look good on other costume slots.
Ta-da!
Personally I like my char the way I created him, including his colors as they are a big part of his looks, changing to sg colors which you most likely havn't picked yourself makes your char look and most importantly 'feel' different. None of my chars look sweet with sg colors.
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As long as we're talking comic book exampels, unbder this system AIUI Superman would never get his fortress of solitude nor Batman his batcave...
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But don't they also run missions with various Super Groups as well? But, more do the point, this is CoH, not the DC universe.
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So that means that according your new system all that work was for naught.
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All those times I hung out with my Sg friends and enjoy their company was wasted.
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So, all the 1500 hours you've spent in CoH were soley for the accumulation of a SG base and nothing more? Puh-lez. Lets cut the melodramatic stuff. If you're not happy with it, fine, then disagree.
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I think there still should be some use of influence in there. Say, prestige for the base rent and very powerful hardware, influence for eye candy and maybe minor hardware.
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I've been thinking about this all night. This is a close solution, but...
What if we tweak it a little?
What if the initial base construction costs influence, but the 'rent' on a base costs prestige? Then it starts to make some sense at least, as players must continue to gain prestige to keep the base.
Or even have the initial cost be payable via either influence or prestige.
In any case, SG mode must get a revamp BEFORE prestige goes into effect. Stop using chest detail for the SG symbol. Create a new SG mode accessible 'SG symbol and have a player selectable location of at least chest, breast pocket, belt buckle, and cape. Even better, delete SG mode and add 'SG costume slot' for more flexible and more varied SG outfits, but still with the independently locatable SG symbol.
Finally got through most of these messages. I will restate my position: I like the thought that Prestige will only be gathered in SG mode and then only for doing things like missions and fighting crime, not for standing in Atlas spamming your powers and holding costume contests. I like that they might data-mine back to gather info on how much you've done in SG mode in the past. And I like that Headquarters will be based on Prestige.
Your Mileage May Vary. I'm not telling anyone how to have fun.
On the other hand.....
Except for a quote from Lord Recluse, which is being taken wildly out of context, there is no proof that any of the things I like are true. The quote used indicates that Prestige will not be granted for doing nothing. Well, Influence doesn't come in unless you do something so I think we all could have figured that one out on our own.
For people who shout "This is unfair, they should have told us earlier"... Well maybe they just finally nailed down the mechanics for it. Where ever this rumor started, perhaps they told you as soon as they could. Is there any indication that every detail of CoH was codified in a bible somewhere, immutable and unchanging, and they were just releasing updates slowly because they found it entertaining? Or is the game constantly expanding and changing and perhaps they are listening to the forums and making decisions based on what they see as the game grows?
Maybe they were going to have Influence be used to build SG headquarters and decided that the current inflation at higher levels made that no longer an option. Maybe they decided that since Headquarters were something only SGs could do that they would reward the people who not only are in one, but actually use their SG.
Face it, if you are not in an SG by fifth level, it's only because you've been turning invites down. Being in an SG for some folks can happen within seconds of finishing Outbreak. Can you send an SG invite to someone inside Outbreak? I've never tried but it seems like I have sent an invite to someone King's Row when I was in Atlas. Maybe I am misremembering.
With nearly everyone is in a SG but hardly anyone actually using the SG mode, I can fully understand why the Devs would wish to encourage people to use it. Do I wish they allowed an option to not use the symbol? Yes. Rather, I wish they let us put it elsewhere. I personally favor allowing the choice of chest, vest pocket, belt buckle or shoulder insignia. But since the game didn't come out of the box in perfect stasis, unchanging and impervious to improvement, I am willing to wait for the time when those options are implemented.
In the meantime, actually having a base is a much more "wanted" feature from what I have seen. Possibly even easier. I do not know how difficult it is to make changes to costume options, but we already know they can plop down new maps pretty easy. Create a door coding that only allows members of a particular SG to enter sounds like it's probably easier.
Wandering off topic. Sorry.
Just wait for a bit. Until Cuppajoe says it, I won't believe it anyways. So far as I've seen, none of the Devs has been as reliable a source for rumor correction. Just in case it is true, try using your SG colors for a while. Does the chest symbol bother you? Ignore it. You don't see the front of your toon that often anyways. I hate that my armored devices blaster throws her smoke grenades instead of having cool shoulder mounts like the Freakshow do. Guess what, I pretend she does and even added it as notes on my Crey File. My friend hates that his Fire tank has a flaming sword. He pretends it's just a firey aura around his fist.
These are strictly cosmetic features of the game. The symbol on (or not on) your chest does not alter how your toon operates. If it grants you a bonus that you can use to enhance your fun, and help your friends, then frelling who cares if it doesn't look good? Superman, the Manhunter, Flash, Booster Gold... any of them would take one for the team.
And if it really destroys your verisimilitude that greatly then... Well I guess being a solo hero is more important to you than being part of the group. That makes you Batman. Or Guy Gardner.
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SG need more room. LOTS more room. Yes, the majority of SGs may be smaller, but some of the most loyal groups in this game are simply too big to fit in one SG. Our alts should all be contributing to the same base, not 4 different bases because of the arbitrarily low limit of 75 per SG. Never have I seen a good technical (or any other) reason why 75 must be the limit. Raise the limit, preferably by a factor of at least 5, or even abolish it altogether. This is major obstacle to Prestige being a workable system.
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On the subject of which: perhaps change the limit to 75 accounts. This means that an absolute maximum of 75 characters from the SG can be active at once, but also means that alts are a non-issue in terms of space used.
Bravo! Great post Roughtrade.
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Not sure if its been pointed out, as this will aleviate those who have an SG but don't want to wear SG colors (As opposed to those that don't have a Supergroup)
You CAN (in the settings) make your supergroup mode costume exactly the same as your normal costume. It does allow you to default to the color it already is.
That is all, thank you
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Not true.
That is all.
Thank you.
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If I'm not mistaken you can keep your colors the same as you normally wear, any symbols you have will be replaced by the SG one.
Like I said with my Superman example, his Red S becomes a Red JLA and him and the spanky green Batman with the JLA symbol on his chest go off to fight crime and pay for the Watch Tower