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Issue 5 Features Preview: Forest of Dread

Accualt

By Accualt,
Posted on: 2005-06-29 09:18 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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All faiths are based on faith. They have no validity in reality. That being said.... why is religion being discussed in a forum about City of Heroes?

I knew that discussions of greek/roman mythology, and then bringing in celtic mythology would eventually end up being a flamewar with zealots pushing their idiocy.

Sad to see that I was right.

Please delete this thread. Religious delusion is as sickening to some of us as sexual harrasment and stalking. It has no place here.

Be well, people of CoH.

 

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Nearly every religion is based on earlier religions that have had doctrines refined or corupted and bit made up out of whole cloth. Christianity is no exception to this.

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Idioteraser:

I rebuke you and your anti-Christian hate speech, over several posts in
pages 23 to 25 of this thread.

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The heck? I hate Idioteraser as much as the next guy, but he's right on this count, at least as far as being based on earlier religions goes. Or are you claiming that Christianity didn't take anything (the Old Testament) from Judaism?

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Specifically:

"that have had doctrines refined or corupted and bit made up out of whole cloth."

It's the 'made up' part there, in regards to your comment, that's the problem.

The way Idioteraser wrote it, and I am doing my best not to put words in his
mouth that he didn't type in this thread, he implies, In My Humble Opinion, that
those who became Christians saw the Old Testament and thought "we know better,
and we'll incorporate it in our book, and make up a few things too."

The New Testament continues God's relationship with man, and is not an
expansion pack by a different team, for lack of a better term.

This is not the forum for proselytization, so I hope I have adequately answered
your question without further derailing the thread.

If you have more questions on the Christian faith itself, that is what PMs are for.

Back to our regularly scheduled discussion of issue 5, which I hope will be on the
test server soonish. I have a Trick Arrow/Archery Defender to roll up.

 

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Specifically:

"that have had doctrines refined or corupted and bit made up out of whole cloth."

It's the 'made up' part there, in regards to your comment, that's the problem.

The way Idioteraser wrote it, and I am doing my best not to put words in his
mouth that he didn't type in this thread, he implies, In My Humble Opinion, that
those who became Christians saw the Old Testament and thought "we know better,
and we'll incorporate it in our book, and make up a few things too."

The New Testament continues God's relationship with man, and is not an
expansion pack by a different team, for lack of a better term.


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That is YOUR opinion, and it certainly does not represent hate speech to question it. Hate speech would be to say "Christians are doody heads and must be killed."

For one, the mere historical *existence* of Jesus is rather sketchy...

 

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If someone would like to disagree with the statement the historical evidence for Jesus is sketchy send me a pm. I am anxious to rip it to shreds with the facts.

There are many reasons not to get angry with the deciption of the red caps, fir bolgs and other creatures in issue 5. Namely it is a game and the devs has so far shown they have a real knack for detail and involved story. I doubt Crotatoa will be the only mission area for these factions. Well at first yes.

Number one reason not to get angry is these are fictional depications of mythical beings.

And I suspect more villian groups to come out and not be fantasy or magical related. The Egyptian group would have some magic involved but not the aquatic factions.

 

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I was refering to the old religion not the neopagan revival.

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'The old religion' is an INVENTION of the neopagan revival. Gerald Gardner was the first to use that particular phrase.

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The Necronomican exists and is quite a delightfull work of fiction.

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Actually, it's several works of fiction, depending on whether it's the Simon Necronomicon, the Giger Necronomicon or the Colin Wilson Necronomicon you're talking about...

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And a great number of old texts on magic were destroyed.

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No they weren't. Where belief in malicious magic was strong, it was important for the books to be preserved, so that people would know what they were up against. For example, Reginald Scot's 'The Discoverie of Witchcraft' (1584) was supposed to help stamp out magical practices, but contained so much magical lore that it became a standard reference work for cunning folk to use in later years!

 

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*ahem*

I laugh with joy and merriment at the amusing antics of fools desperate to impress their opinions open the hostile psyches of others!

 

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So you probably pass out giggling watching FOX News, huh?

 

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I come on this forum thinking I'd get the latest scuttlebutt on I5 and I'm greeted with this nonsense?!?

I hate to use a cliche but It's A Game People!

How can you even think that it's some sort of comment on religion. How many bajillion other games, books, and movies borrow stuff completely inaccurately from one mythology or another. At this point in time in the world mythology is mostly just a source of cool names and story ideas (at least for fiction writers anyway).

/em Goes and looks for rumors elsewhere.

Enjoying every AT in the game.
Remember the Golden Rule: Skill > Build
Leader of the True Blues on Liberty

 

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Oh! That's a Redcap. A Brownie, kinda'. I see.

Damn you, Jackson Turner! You've ruined all ideas I've had for the Malleus Mundi!

 

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Oh, and I like the idea of a temporary hazard zone. Gives the game that living feeling, like the story's really evolving (which we've only seen thrice now).

 

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Oh, and I like the idea of a temporary hazard zone.

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Croatoa is temporary? Are you sure?

 

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My goodness, this new zone is going to be so crowded after I5 hits...

 

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Oh, and I like the idea of a temporary hazard zone.

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Croatoa is temporary? Are you sure?

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I suspect the reference was to a zone that starts out hazard, temporarily, and transitions later to a non-hazard zone. I could be wrong, though.

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Oh, and I like the idea of a temporary hazard zone.

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Croatoa is temporary? Are you sure?

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Well, after my initial post, I actually read the article.

Bierce thinks that an anomaly like Croatoa could spread, taking over (erasing) Paragon City if heroes can't stop it. I'm sure, down the road (maybe Issue Eight or Nine) it'll be "fixed".

 

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possible thast the tf because if crotoa disapears no future player will enjoy the content and in this game history doesnt affect you may kill the clock work king but that makes no diference in game possible will be permanent

 

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Future players will never know the history of the 5th Column. Future players will never know the greatness of the Council War. Future players will never know who Malaise really was. Future players will never know who Bastion really was.

Things change in this game that future players will never know about. It's the evolution of a fictional universe. And it's quite fitting considering it mirrors the comic book universes perfectly. Introducing a hazard zone and then "cleaning it up" in a year or so isn't far-fetched. They've talked about hazard zones being fixed before. If, one day, they decided to rebuild Baumtown, no future players would be able to experience the cool setting of Boomtown, but not rebuilding Baumtown would be a mistake in that it fits with the natural evolution of Paragon City.

Leaving a temporal anomaly alone without fixing it doesn't make sense.

 

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i the counsil is mostly a look change even vandal is now on the counsil but the counsil got more villains tf and etc nosferatu still remains zenith i dont miss them to much because there is no much to miss

 

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It's the idea. The concept. There used to be Nazis in Paragon City and now there aren't, and future players will never get to experience the joy of being up Nazis.

 

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Alright, changing Croatoa to a non-hazard zone I can deal with. I just seems like an aweful waste of content if suddenly the whole place "disappears."

 

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It's the idea. The concept. There used to be Nazis in Paragon City and now there aren't, and future players will never get to experience the joy of being up Nazis.

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The joy of being up Nazis?

 

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I know there is artistic liscense and all, but I have read quite a bit of Irish history and while the Tuatha de Dannu were sometimes described as monsterous/powerful or demonized, most of the time they were described as human-like. The models being used in I5 expansion do not look like anything I have ever imagined for them


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If I'm remembering my Irish folklore right, then it's true, the Tuatha de Danaan were humanish. However, Ireland was colonized in waves, and BEFORE the Fair Folk were the Fir Bolg, who were scary, ugly Folk born as the result of crossbreeding by the Fomori. The Fomori were described as monstrous and misshapen: For example, a Fomorian "hero" was Balor of the Evil Eye. His eye was so huge that the lid had to be lifted with (pitch?)forks, but once it was open, whatever his gaze fell upon was annihilated. He laid whole armies to waste, until a hero (Lugh?) came onto the scene wielding the Spear of Destiny (yes, THAT Spear of Destiny). IIRC, the hero was incinerated in casting the spear, but the spear flew true and pierced Balor's eye, killing him.

Of course, it's also 530am, and I haven't slept yet, so my brain may be a teensy bit fogged.

On a tangent: Anyone wanna bet that the Croatoan university will be Miskatonic U?

 

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It's my faith that Christianity is 100% true, and other faiths are 100% false.

But I haven't written several nasty posts declaring that.

Whatever faith any human follows, it is quite clear that your heart is filled with
hatred. Your writing isn't aimed at convincing people they are misguided; your
writing is hate speech trying to get others to agree with your hate.

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Heh. Am I the only one that finds this amusing? "You should take back your hateful speech, because your faith is FALSE!" Oy.

And as far as not making several posts about it, you made the one, and that's enough for me to show me the real you.

 

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CuppaJo, you're cool. I'd give you a high five but I don't know how to locate the thin blue line on a map.

Anyways, after the new Paragon Times article, I'mmore excited about this update as ever! Will we get to fight the Halloween monsters in Croatoa? You know, for those of us that signed up after Halloween? I did see pumpkin headed guys...

 

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What I found interesting (which nobody seems to have commented on) is that the article outright says that it's the Banished Pantheon who have the Malleus Mundi.