Issue 5 Features Preview: Forest of Dread
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Posted on: 2005-06-29 09:18 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Forest of Dread exist in Celtic, Norse and Germainic Mythology. I do have one complaint. Being a rather big fan of Celtic Mythology....The Tuatha de Dannan were not evil...the fae just dissappeared and became the Gods and Goddess of the Celts....It is a little disturbing that you would make them evil...will they all be evil...will u turn the good Gods and Goddesses evil as well...or will the contacts maybe be connected to various dieties trying to protect us from the evil ones????
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Once again, we do not know if they are evil yet. But in context to mythology, the Tuatha De Danaan were invaders who violently conquered two other races. To the Fir Bolg and Fomorians, they were pretty evil.
I'll bet that Croatoa will be a battleground between the three races of gods that battled over Ireland in Celtic mythology and we're thrown into the middle of it, not taking sides, but kicking every single selfish god and goddess' [censored] respectively.
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Forest of Dread exist in Celtic, Norse and Germainic Mythology. I do have one complaint. Being a rather big fan of Celtic Mythology....The Tuatha de Dannan were not evil...the fae just dissappeared and became the Gods and Goddess of the Celts....It is a little disturbing that you would make them evil...will they all be evil...will u turn the good Gods and Goddesses evil as well...or will the contacts maybe be connected to various dieties trying to protect us from the evil ones????
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Once again, we do not know if they are evil yet. But in context to mythology, the Tuatha De Danaan were invaders who violently conquered two other races. To the Fir Bolg and Fomorians, they were pretty evil.
I'll bet that Croatoa will be a battleground between the three races of gods that battled over Ireland in Celtic mythology and we're thrown into the middle of it, not taking sides, but kicking every single selfish god and goddess' [censored] respectively.
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So why are they in Rhode Island?
Xarybdis | Level 50 Invul/Axe Tanker & Cygnia Level 50 DB/Will Brute on Triumph | AstroGal Level 50 WS on Virtue
The Malleus Mundi?
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The Malleus Mundi?
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Or to put it another way, a wizard did it.
Just kidding, personaly I look foward to seeing the effects of the Hammer of the World.
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Forest of Dread exist in Celtic, Norse and Germainic Mythology. I do have one complaint. Being a rather big fan of Celtic Mythology....The Tuatha de Dannan were not evil...the fae just dissappeared and became the Gods and Goddess of the Celts....It is a little disturbing that you would make them evil...will they all be evil...will u turn the good Gods and Goddesses evil as well...or will the contacts maybe be connected to various dieties trying to protect us from the evil ones????
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Once again, we do not know if they are evil yet. But in context to mythology, the Tuatha De Danaan were invaders who violently conquered two other races. To the Fir Bolg and Fomorians, they were pretty evil.
I'll bet that Croatoa will be a battleground between the three races of gods that battled over Ireland in Celtic mythology and we're thrown into the middle of it, not taking sides, but kicking every single selfish god and goddess' [censored] respectively.
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And let's not forget that Statesman is quite knowledged in mythology...I don't remember exactly his credentials, but I recall from a previous thread that he majored in such subjects. So I have very good faith that whatever comes out won't be completely warped.
So I assume none of us are complaining about craotoa's level range anymore? 
ok lets see this the tuatta is good and if he reach paragon city he will be nice and wont try to conquer us like he did whit the filburg, well he may not be evil but if you thing the devouring earth isnt evil they just see us like a treaths to nature
Sigh and we have to wait till august!!!!!
I still find myself having misgivings about the way the Gods I work with, as a real world Druid, are being represented in I5.
I'm stating it here for the record though that real world Druids do not run around killing people, we follow a peaceful spiritual path, respect life and seek to live in balance with nature.
Representations in this fictional game are just that, fiction.
AAAAGH! Its a Druid! Run or she'll suck your blood!
Ok I was just kidding. Couldnt resist. One of my best friends is Pagan so I am used to some of the misunderstood religions. I am Methodist if you want to get back at me.
I don't really do 'getting back at people' so no need to worry there. 
I just want it on the record that we Druids are not the monsters that the urban myths make us out to be.
Its proberbly not a good idea to post links here, but there is alot of good information on the web about what we are really like that is quite easy to google.
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I still find myself having misgivings about the way the Gods I work with, as a real world Druid, are being represented in I5.
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With all respect to your religious beliefs, the Tuatha de Danaan weren't Gods. They were mythical kings and queens. There's a theory that these might represent pre-Christian deities, but it's still only a theory. The fact that one can 'work with' them means nothing - as any chaos magician can tell you, you can 'work with' Bugs Bunny, Cthulhu or the Invisible Noodle Monster if you want to.
For that matter, the real world Druids aren't historically authentic. They are no more representatives of 'real' Druidry than the Antediluvian order of Buffaloes is representative of Native American beliefs. The modern Druids may be *spiritually* authentic and sincere (which is a whole different debate) but there isn't any Pagan tradition that has its roots in anything older than the last century. Even the most heartfelt Paganism is still an interpretation of history, not an authoritative statement.
Yet still, it is the path that I and in the UK some 10,000 others follow.
I could debate what you say, and in another place I would, but that is not appropriate here.
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I just want it on the record that we Druids are not the monsters that the urban myths make us out to be.
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What urban legends? I'd like to think I'm pretty boned up on my mythology and religious history, so if I'm missing out on some obscure note about Druids being evil, I'd like to hear it.
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Yet still, it is the path that I and in the UK some 10,000 others follow.
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I know, I'm from the UK. I don't care how many neopagans there are, they still don't have the right to object to how other people interpret the same mythological source material that they are interpreting. Give States and Cryptic a break.
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What urban legends?
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According to Caesar, the Druids used to burn people in wicker figures. (There is plenty of evidence that human sacrifice did go on, such as the famous Bog Body, 'Pete Marsh'.) It's not an urban legend at all. However, modern people who want to identify with the Druids don't like the idea.
That's not an urban legend. That's crap. No one's demonizing Neo-Druids.
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That's not an urban legend. That's crap. No one's demonizing Neo-Druids.
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Actually, it is theorized. There isn't any conclusive evidence that the bog bodies were ritually sacraficed. The method of execution is common but it is not known whether these were executed criminals or sacrafices. What we do know is that the Romans took an rather hostile approach to the Druids. This was either because the Romans had a problem with the Druids sacraficing Roman soldiers or for the Druids support of the Boddican revolt.
What I'm saying is that it's no urban legend. Whether it's true or not, it doesn't demonize Neo-Druids in any way. Certain Pagan religions praciticed human sacrifice before the Roman Empire rose, but those reformed religious practices today don't suffer from the idea that they still do it. The poster was talking about being a Druid like they were persecuted every chance someone had to stick it to 'em, which simply couldn't be true considering the majority of people today don't have the vaguest idea what a druid is.
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Actually, it is theorized. There isn't any conclusive evidence that the bog bodies were ritually sacraficed.
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There's extremely strong evidence to suggest the same - and in the Boudiccan revolt that you mention, hundreds of human sacrifices took place to Andraste, so it's hardly the best source to cite.
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What I'm saying is that it's no urban legend. Whether it's true or not, it doesn't demonize Neo-Druids in any way. Certain Pagan religions praciticed human sacrifice before the Roman Empire rose, but those reformed religious practices today don't suffer from the idea that they still do it. The poster was talking about being a Druid like they were persecuted every chance someone had to stick it to 'em, which simply couldn't be true considering the majority of people today don't have the vaguest idea what a druid is.
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Hmm, that is not quite how I put it, but to say there is no problem at all is going too far the other way.
I wonder, have you read Witch Hunts by Kerr Cuhulain?
This book details a number of 'urban myths' and the output of various 'occult experts' that are not exactly Pagan friendly.
It is only a few years since the 'satanic panic' where TV and newspapers spread the idea that we were all child abusers. People lost their jobs, had letter bombs sent to their homes and in at least one case their shop set on fire because they were Pagan.
So to sugest there is no problem at all is wrong.
As to CoH, I just feel that they are continuing the misinformation culture that demonises us and the Gods we work with.
In the end I feel that someone needs to state that what they are preparing to put out in CoH is just fiction and should be taken in that context, we are not the villans.
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As to CoH, I just feel that they are continuing the misinformation culture that demonises us and the Gods we work with.
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You're wrong.
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In the end I feel that someone needs to state that what they are preparing to put out in CoH is just fiction and should be taken in that context, we are not the villans.
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Yeah, it would be great if you could make heroes with, I dunno, a Magic origin.
The 'just fiction' thing is hilarious. The myths of the Book of Invasions, where the stories of the Tuatha de Danaan came from, are themselves just fiction. You're the ones acting as if they represented some sort of reality.
If you want to decide that they are really Gods that you believe in, then that's up to you, but nobody else has to change what they do to accomodate your preferences.
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If you want to decide that they are really Gods that you believe in, then that's up to you, but nobody else has to change what they do to accomodate your preferences.
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Thats fine, but it cuts both ways.
I'll look forward to the evil Jesus, Mohamed and Buddha monsters in a future publish.
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It is only a few years since the 'satanic panic' where TV and newspapers spread the idea that we were all child abusers.
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A few years? That was in the Eighties. And the primary target were Satanists, not Pagans in general, and certainly not Druids (who probably fly so far below Christian radar no one knows what they are). It was a new decade where people started realizing problems like child abuse and spousal abuse and they foolishly assumed that all Satanists were evil thanks to that dumb [censored] Canadian [censored]. People were finally owning up to the wave of hedonism from the Fifties. Unfortunately Satanists caught a bad rep because of all the misinformation. But Druids?
Ask the average person on the street what a druid is. If any one out of ten people would associate druids with child abuse or human sacrifice I'd be surprised as hell. If one out of five people even knew what a druid was I'd be even more surprised.
City of Heroes portraying the Tuatha De Danaan as giants (not monsters) fighting the Fomorians and Fir Bolg (who are also misrepresented slightly) is a work of fiction, which is exactly what they were to begin with. It'd be like someone finding it offensive if they created a giant monster named Cthulu.
Forest of Dread exist in Celtic, Norse and Germainic Mythology. I do have one complaint. Being a rather big fan of Celtic Mythology....The Tuatha de Dannan were not evil...the fae just dissappeared and became the Gods and Goddess of the Celts....It is a little disturbing that you would make them evil...will they all be evil...will u turn the good Gods and Goddesses evil as well...or will the contacts maybe be connected to various dieties trying to protect us from the evil ones????