SteelRat

Originally Posted by Captain-Electric

But it would be nicer if they didn't discuss other NCSoft games.

You've pointed out how these forums were never all that sunshiney to begin with. You know, I actually agree. But within Virtue, I did have a bunch of really nice friends and those friendships were years long. Believe me, there are people around here who are losing something. Well, everyone deals with loss in their own way. Not everyone is like you. You shouldn't just have an objective understanding of that--you should feel a responsibility toward consideration. And you're swinging that big "DEALWITHIT" banner of yours around in a place that has been special to City of Heroes fans for eight long years.

People will be coming here in these final days to commiserate over the loss of everything they found worthwhile here, whether it was a link the game provided to far away loved ones, or the new friendships they made, or some rough times the game helped them through. What you're doing is in bad form, plain and simple. Even if you're not pouring salt in these peoples wounds maliciously, you're still exhibiting antisocial behavior.

I can guarantee you that even if I were playing GW2, I would not parade my happy pretendy fun times around this eight year-old community for the same reasons I wouldn't try to hook someone up with a date at their departed wife's funeral. You might think that's an exaggerated analogy, but if you do, it only tells me you haven't been reading many of the personal stories of our community members here.

You've sought to justify your behavior in previous posts and I don't expect you to stop, but if you can shove your point of view down our necks in post after post, I'm sure you can stomach a little bit of the same in return from me. And before you bring the Titan Network up as some kind of justification for your own bad form, please recognize that there are many different people here. Like you, I do NOT support generating negative press purely as a vengeance tactic (I supported it when it could have been used to save City of Heroes ). The difference here is that I didn't become hugely inconsiderate just because someone somewhere started doing something that I don't wholly approve of.

I'm glad people are having fun in GW2, and I wish Arenanet all the best. But it doesn't mean that I don't recognize thread titles containing "GW2>CoH" as unfair and unfriendly to many readers of these forums.

Originally Posted by Solo_One

My response to that is that nothing in life is guaranteed. Its like saying I was dumped by a significant other from a particular race/part of town/religion so I will never trust that subset of humanity with any sort of emotional attachment again. Its short sighted.

Do ex-star wars galaxies players swear off sony electronics? PS3? Major motion pictures? Holding a grudge against a multinational corporation by not playing a game is slactivism at best and the only one losing out is you if you were in the market for the product but wont buy it for some sense of duty to a few developers. If you think they were so amazingly talented(I'm not going to make a judgement on that one) then they will find work and keep being awesome without your boycott.

I will miss the best days of this game just like all of you guys but i'm not done playing videogames at this point in my life so i'm going to try out what comes out as long as I can afford the hobby and it interests me. Maybe at some point I'll start buying fair trade, organic, and non-ncsoft just to prove a point but for now i'm gonna go with the flow.

My invitation still stands by the way, press Y to open the friends menu and add the global I posted earlier.

Originally Posted by akaime

Fair enough. I have not noticed the animation issues, but I might not have looked carefully enough. I kind of like most of the travel power animations, the beast running is pretty good, but the transition between it and normal stance is not as smooth as it should be.

Originally Posted by akaime

For many the main issue is that they have been playing CoH for so long time that anything that goes far from it will feel ackward.

CO is a faster paced version of CoH combat with short or none cooldowns and light control powers. DCUO is even faster allowing weapon combos moves.

Another aspect is that CoH, except for incarnitate content, is pretty easy especially on IOs. CO tends to be a bit more challenging and DCUO goes even further.

CO customization is on par or superior to CoH, especially at core characteristic levels. For instance, I have seen people complaining that CO has only one face which is pretty much shows that they didn't even try the face sliders which gives thousand options. Would it be great having more premade faces? sure, but it is not related to the potentiality of the character creator. There are features in CoH that CO does not have, but the main disadvantage is in the number of costume pieces which is basically a matter of time.

DCUO has definitely less customization options than CoH or CO, but fitting into the DC Universe I would say that they are still decent and the endgame armor models are spectacular.

I had a blast in CoH while I was playing it. I am having a blast in CO and I also play DCUO from time to time and I enjoy it. When Marvel Heroes releases I am planning to try it and enjoying playing one of the marvel characters( I hope ironman or cyclops will be among the free ones).

It would be great that CoH wouldn't have to close or that CoH2 would be developed/released soon. However, that should not prevent you from enjoying other games by keeping an open mind since none of them has be a CoH clone.

Originally Posted by Pebblebrook

There does seem to be some instances of thrown insults from both camps but in fairness, there can be a fine line between hope and delusion depending on your perspective.

Originally Posted by GreyScribe

I'm looking at NCSoft's press releases and I don't see any mention of these 'cold hard facts' you are talking about: "realignment of company focus and publishing support"

As far as sentiment goes, "City of Heroes has a special place in all of our hearts, and we want to ensure its reputation and the memories we share for the game end on a high note.

Once again, we will be holding events throughout the process of preparing for the game's end, and we encourage players and fans of the franchise to join forces and enjoy their time in a game that we've enjoyed supporting for more than eight years."

Sounds pretty sentimental to me. Again, no mention at all of any of the hard financial facts that you say drove their decision making. For all we know, someone in a boardroom tossed a coin or pulled a name out of a hat.

I'm not really suggesting that is what happened, but your stated belief that the ONLY rational response to CoH's situation (which none of us know in any detail outside of NCSoft & Paragon) is closure doesn't seem any more ironclad as my opinion that there are alternatives worth speaking up about and exploring.

Let NCSoft lay out these 'cold hard facts' and then we'll have a basis for discussion

Originally Posted by Electric-Knight

You see, we can completely agree to reasonable opinions and personal stances. There is no argument there.
I've not attacked or argued with anyone who understands that the odds are not in our favor and that they don't believe it will happen and/or aren't interested in doing much (if anything) to change the outcome themselves. We came here to play a game, not spend time and energy fighting for something we're likely to lose anyway. Do what you feel is right and what is best for you and yours, no doubt.

However, if you look at the words of people stating that their position of deriding people who've taken the stance that they're willing to put more effort in, you'll see the blatant insults. "Delusional" is bandied around aplenty.
There's nothing delusional about it.
You can say we have no leverage, but it's not entirely true.
People do have leverage and that is all we are doing - attempting to apply any and all leverage that we can. It matter-of-factly may not be anywhere near enough...
But, to use your analogy...
That pipsqueak fighting the overwhelming bully is not necessarily doing so in vain. Maybe they can win the fight... probably not. However, maybe winning the fight isn't the most important thing. Maybe their defiance and good-hearted efforts will lead to other turn of events. The true success of battle is not in the physical fight, but in the conquering of minds and hearts. You can change people's minds and positions. You can influence others to do wonderful things. You never know until you try... but, honestly, it's not about that. It's simply about doing what one feels is right and true.

Your example is precisely what was in the Captain America movie. When the little pipsqueak Steve Richards refused to back down and got his butt handed to him... did you want to stand up and mock him and tell him to stop, because there's no use?

Now, don't take any flaws with the anaology against me... it's your analogy, but that's how I see this situation in the analogy that you've shared.

Beyond the personal aspects, the efforts being put forth can certainly have impact on the mmorpg landscape, both for customers/players and for companies to consider what this entire industry is about, what it means and how to go about these things. At its very least, it draws attention, and adds, to that discussion of what mmo communities are about.

There's nothing delusional about any of that.

Lastly, the major thing going on right now is... NCSoft's latest announcement/reply to us has had some people change their minds (in both directions, actually).
However, nothing actually changed. They told us on August 31t that it was over, period.
They released another announcement a few days ago, in response to our efforts saying, that it really is over, period.
If you can read their latest announcement and believe that they sincerely put in a good effort and truly wanted to sell the game, IP and studio, but couldn't, more power to you. If you truly believe exactly what they said in that press release, then that is where we differ. As far as I see, it is just a PR spin. They publicly implied that they cared and that they wanted to help, but have "exhausted" their efforts.
I just think, for the most part, they wanted to shut us up, stop our drawing attention in the media and be done with us.
So, we got their attention. And we believe we can do more and we can do better and our efforts simply have not been exhausted yet.
It's as simple as that.
Anyone who believed we might make a difference on August 31st should not be swayed, one bit, by the latest words from NCSoft.
That's all.
That last reply was damage control PR spin. I don't say that as though it's a major storm for them. It could be, but could very well be rather insignificant to them. Our goal is to raise the volume as much as we can and find out.
If we can push them a little, maybe we can push them more. And maybe it'll make a difference.
No difference between August 31 and now, regarding any of that.

Originally Posted by Electric-Knight

Hehe, that's honestly the only way I know how to be. I mean, I strive to be respectful, but I just listen to what I feel is right and no odds or obstacles and no criticisms are enough to dissuade me from making attempts that I feel are worth it when I believe it is the right thing to do and/or when I think something is wrong and I just might be able to steer it in a better direction (or possibly even all the way around).

Eh, I'm prepared for failure. I don't fear that at all. I can handle a hell of a lot worse than my favorite game being gone (although, I feel more for other people in worse situations and for the community's existence more so).
I find it somewhat laughable that people will say that other people are delusional and ill-equipped to handle such loss (so I/we will suffer worse for it when it is all said and done), when it is just the small matter that it is. Why would I fall apart afterward?? I don't need to guard myself against this failure. I can handle it, hehe. I could point that around and turn it on those who say such things, but it's all just nonsense anyway.

I don't fear failure, hehe, I've already felt it. I welcome the fight!

Originally Posted by Lokikin

That someone remembers Art of Noise gives me a big happy!

Originally Posted by SteelRat

This is the unfortunate truth of the matter. It doesnt matter how great the devs are or how many friends you made or whatever other uplifting sentiments you might offer to justify the games existence if more people played and felt the same way we wouldnt be in this situation in the first place.

As bitter a pill as that is to swallow, thats how it is.

Believe me Id dearly love to be wrong but my reply is a heavy hearted "No".

Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen

No, it will not be saved, and if it is, it'll just be a stagnant server-maintenance style existence with no updates. The game just wasn't that profitable - not enough to warrant an investment on the order that NCSoft would require to license the IP and game.

Originally Posted by Knack

One other way to get all your alts together is to save your costumes at Icon then remake your toons as NPCs in AE simply by loading those costumes. Then you can actually get all your toons together to fight as a team against whatever you want and vid cap that.