Madadh

And no worries at all. This part of the game is pretty silly confusing. Needlessly confusing, I'm almost tempted to say..

Actually, those are Global Effect IOs, which is a bit different than a Proc.

It is always on, regardless of if the power is on. Unless you exempt more than three levels below the level of the IO. I will even work (assuming the IO is low enough) if you exempt below the level where you even have access to the power.

For example... You take SJ late in your build, say at lvl 49, and slot it with a lvl 49 slow resistance. It works fine at lvl 49, and at lvl 50, with SJ on or not. If you exempt to lvl 45, you lose you slow resistance (more than the unde the lvl 49 IO) but can still SJ, as you keep powers up to 5 levels under while exempted. YOu later decide that losing slow resistance is a pain, so you put in a lvl 12 IO in SJ. Now you can exempt to lvl 9, and while you would have lose SJ the power, you'd still have the slow resistance. At lvl 8 and under, you'd have neither.


Procs are IOs that have a certain chance to fire when the power is activated. That chance can occasionally be 100%, though, which leads to some of the confusion between procs and globals. So, for a proc to work, the power has to be available, and active (via an always on power or a toggle power toggled 'on' or the power has to be clicked and it'll last for a given time after the click). Obviously, if you exempt below the level of the power, you lose the benefit of the proc, too. But, procs levels don't matter. If you put a lvl 50 proc in a power you selected at lvl 8, it'll work the same at lvl 50, and it would exempted to lvl 5. AS long as you still have the power, the proc works the same.

Very glad to hear it was resolved. And extra happy to hear that it was, all-in-all, a positive experience, and not a great big PITA.

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Yeah, the Kismet will help, but it's far to little with several powers with Accuracy slotting equivalent to a single DO, and a couple more with a single Generic IO equivalent. Especially when you need several attacks in a row to hit reliably to get your combos. And that's not even considering higher difficulties or enemy tohit debuffs.

Totally agree on Body Mastery for FA (which also provides tohit debuff protection or top of the other good stuff), on the Gaussians, on Phys Per, and the extra Perf Shifter Proc. But, I can see wanting to do a different concept, too, so.

And I totally agree about there being a lot of differnt avenues you can go down and end up with a great build. But regardless, I think he's gonna want to do something to get that extra Accuracy. Maybe change some sets to a few more IO sets that also provide Acc bonuses would work, if you don't want to exemplar much. Or Nerve, but that also has the problem with exemplaring. Maybe those extra slots from the on set mule can be added into some of those attacks. For the PBAOE attacks a Acc/End from Multi-Stike or the Acc/Recharge from Cleaving Blow might be nice. Or a Nuc Hami-O. Nuc Hamis would also be my choice for the melee sets with Kin Combats in them.

Well, as has been said, lots of ways you can go with it.

For most sets it makes it very close except vs AVs, GMs, and some strong Bosses, where scourge really comes into it's own.

That said, the OP asked which will be more durable for this specific combo. The defender. By a fair margin. Bigger values in all Def and Resistance powers (CJ, Weave, Tough, and any Epics, too). Pus the -dam debuffs in kinetics are all bigger values for a defender. And, you'll have access to the defensive powers in Kinetics sooner (not Kinetics is the best solo defensive set, but what it has a defender will get sooner).

But, since elec is a fairly under performing offensive set, I'd lean to making this one as Corr, you'll need all the help you can get, because killing will be slow solo, especially early.

In truth, though, I'd avoid this combo as a Corr or a Def for solo play. Kin is a weaker defensive set, but makes up for it by being a great force multiplier. But elec brings the smallest starting value to multiply. And solo, you don't get extra benefit of teammates to also enjoy the multiplier, so..... *shrug*

I love support sets in general, and love to try new things or to defy conventional wisdom, probably more than most people, but I can't imagine wanting to ever play this combo. I'd say maybe go elec/rad or Rad/Elec and colour rad differently, and you'll pick up AMs damage buff to help pre FS, and get a good solo defensive sets of debuffs early to help with survival. Or maybe make some form of elec blaster. I hate blasters, and would almost never suggest a blaster over a def and a corr, but in this case....

Actually, not sure your exact concept, but maybe an Elec/Elec or an Elec/Energy or an Elec/Psi Dom might be your best bet.


If you do go with this combo, though....
1) Good luck..
2) Everything EnigmaBlack said.....

I am trying to avoid bagging on NR, as this thread isn't about that. I felt it best to just say that I (and other people) don't like the animations, and acknowledge that some people do like them, and some people don't have much preference either way, or dislike it a bit, but not enough to give it's it's obviously great performance. Therefore a set of alternative animations, or a separately available (for sale even) clone that has more natural animations would be the ideal solution. The NR fans are happy. The people that dislike it are happy. People that don't care much that already have bought NR keep it and don't have to spend more money, the people that haven't can pick the one that they find most aesthetically pleasing, and CoX makes more money to support the game due to people like Socorro and myself.

If someone wanted to create a new thread about NRs animations, I might weigh in there with my opinion on everything I feel about NR, but here isn't the place for debating it, in my opinion.

Edit: Actually, no, on second thought, I wouldn't. It's a matter of aesthetics. To paraphrase Synesence, I don't know what you guys could possibly like, but the animations are really bad. In my opinion. This is clearly a topic that can't really be debated. Those that like it, seem to do so genuinely, but can't possibly explain why. Those that don't, apparently can't explain why to those that like it either. I think it seems obvious why it looks silly (to me), and I'm sure those that like it think that the appeal is obvious (at least to them it is). Seriously, it really can't be logically. No evidence can be presented to support either sides position, so I'd not want to get into it.

The only thing on this topic that can be discussed is if there is any value to an alternative set of animations, either built into the same power, or (my preference) a separate power with identical mechanical benefits but a different, more natural looking, set of animations. This can at least be debated. And I'd say there are advantages to it, and no serious drawbacks to having an alternative, so this seems a no-brainer to me.

Well, not guaranteed, but if you've run into Council much before the Moonfire, it is the safer way to bet.

And Moonfire is SO fun! I'd fully endorse this TF.

I find tip missions usually supply plenty of MI Decoys now. And prefer to get my Fakes in the shadow shards 'Zulu' (where you can also hunt PPs and Overseers at the same time). That said, I wonder if the redside versions of these accolades might not be an easier route, though.

I'm very sorry. I didn't explain myself very well, it seems.

In order for any company to be able to process a credit card, they must have a vendor account with that credit card company. It's fairly critical for most businesses that do a large percentage of their business via cards that the credit card companies be able to contact them if there is any problems. This is not limited to customer's disputing a charge. The business that takes the cards will want to ensure than things go smoothly on this front, as failure to do so may mean a lot more than missing one payment, it might mean missing ALL payments from that card company. IE, if VISA wanted to call 'Small Business X' and say that there is some weird problem with business X's account, and business X didn't answer the phone, they might not get hundreds of billings processed in a timely manner.

Now, Biz X might not hand out phone numbers to customers, but the credit card companies they deal with almost guaranteed have a way to reach someone in Biz X's billing department.

The upshot of this is, if you can't get a company you do credit card business with on the phone for some reason, the credit cards companies, who work for you, too, are often willing to use their contact options for you (they might not give out their numbers, but then again, they might) but at the very least they are usually quite willing to help 2 of their customers that they can verify already have business dealings with each other by acting as an intermediary for the purposes of putting these two groups in touch with each other. If you are honest with the card company, and tell them that you are not disputing anything, but have a billing related question, but can't seem to get someone on the phone, then there should be no problem.

I'm not saying that you will have to resort to this with NCSoft since Texas has provided a number for them.. I'm certainly not suggesting it as a first step. But if you can't get emails answered, and can't get a live person on the phone who deals with billing issues, at ANY company, and you have done credit card business with them, going to the card company is an option, and does not require a dispute to make use of this resource.

Hope that clarifies things a bit.

I don't think I ever stated anywhere for it to be tried during hours when they were closed. I considered it pretty obvious that you should try to contact them during hours when they have people in the office. I'll admit, though, that I didn't spell that out directly. Perhaps foolish of me, but I generally give people some benefit of the doubt on the common sense front.

And, again, perhaps foolish of me, but I've had generally good experience with NCSoft, so I'd not assume that they flag it as a dispute, unless you actually told the card company you were disputing the charge, or something of that nature. Which again isn't what I advised, or even implied. I just implied that you utilize them as a resource. I'd give NCSoft the benefit of the doubt that they'd not go all irrational and tell someone trying to give them money that their business isn't welcome anymore for no good reason. And I also was giving the OP the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't take my advice and then add liberal amounts of embellishments.


It's sad that people think so little of their fellow forumites common sense, and of NCSofts business practices that this is the default position of some people.


@OP, regardless, I hope you get it resolved.

Much shorter time to use in regular combat, but not as much damage as a full assassination attack from hidden. But still very respectable damage. It's a great attack for in melee now, on top of being the best sneak attack option.

I didn't think that was argumentative, so I'm hoping you didn't mean me.