Justice Blues

Amen. The Firefighter hats are decent, but I can wait until I have a real use for them.

Or it is a big fail of logic on your part. First time I saw it, I thought, Account Items are for the entire Account, Character Items are for 1 character. And hey, that's the way it works. IOW, whichever way they did it, people would be complaining about their screw-up.

You are remembering wrong. Those are all listed under Account Items.

Tokens are the replacement for the old Veteran Rewards system. Most of the things you get through the Reward Tokens are the same you got at various times from Veteran Rewards. You just get them more quickly now.

Actually, you get them for every 1200 Paragon Points you purchase or each month you are subscribed. In both cases, the more you spend, the less each Token costs. $14.99 per month for a monthly sub, versus $12.03 a month with an annual sub. Spending $45, $5 at a time, will get you 3600 Points, for exactly 3 Reward Tokens. $15 at a time would get you 3960 Points, getting you 360 points toward your 4th Token.

So the most efficient way to work your way up to filling Tier 3 would be buying the $50 Point package, because it gives you an extra 600 Points toward your next Token.

This is partially incorrect. The 400 Point from our subscriptions do not count, but the bonus points from large purchases do. That is why you get 8 Tokens for purchasing the $100 Point package. If only the non-bonus points counted, you would only get 6 Tokens.

You are correct, at Tier 2, they are considered Premium players. Anyone who has ever spend any money on the game is Premium, including a Free player who spends $5 for 400 Points. That $5 gets them a Reward Token for their first purchase from the Market, which fills the Tier 2 slot and thus gives them the Tier 2 Bonuses, including Tells, SG, and Coalition channels.

No, that is incorrect. You get all the communications channels opened up with the Tier 3 Bonus. That is awarded when you have 5 tokens, not 8. So spending $45 would get someone to that level.

There are 2 different kinds of slots. The ones you buy from the Market or received as Vet rewards are Global unlocks. They can be used at any time, to add to the 12 basic slots you get per server as a VIP player, up to the server limit of 48 slots. Once you use those slots on a server, they are there for good.

If you drop from VIP to Premium, those slots (and the characters on them) will (Or should anyway) still be open. But all other slots on all servers are locked. You can open them with any remaining global slots you have left, or leave them locked.

When you switch back to VIP from Premium, you will receive 12 free server slots (the second kind of slot unlock) for each server. (You actually only get these on servers you visited while a Premium player.) You can use those to unlock any 12 slots on that server to get you back to the 12 you are supposed to have as a VIP. But again, if you have already unlocked a character or slot using one of the Global unlocks, it will (should) be unlocked already, thus you can use that server unlock for another slot.

This is all as I understand it is supposed to work, from what I have read and heard from players that have actually done it, and what I saw in the Beta. I won't know from personal experience until my second account drops to Premium in January. So I could be wrong about the details.

You have to unlock each one individually on any server you visited while not a VIP. If you didn't visit a server while Premium, the system doesn't lock the slots there so you wouldn't have to unlock them when you re-sub. At least that is how it has been reported so far, I have not done any of it myself.

Yes but for that you need a level 50 Incarnate, so it is only available for VIP players. The market unlock is available for everyone.

Assuming you purchased GR before the Headstart, you wouldn't even have to buy the components of it. But you would have to purchase Time Manip, EATs, and Server slots. Also First Ward, if you are interested in that. And of course you would lose Incarnate stuff completely.

If you are only interested in playing a few characters on 1 or 2 servers, and the cost of buying all the stuff you would need to in order to play those characters doesn't bother you, then you should drop your sub. I don't want to pay the cost to open up the characters I have on all the servers I play on. Plus the content I would need to buy. I prefer getting all of that stuff for my sub and using the extra 4800 Points for other stuff.

Yeah, your Reward Tokens are "technically" paid for. So were my Veteran Rewards when I purchased an annual sub before Freedom launched. But the system was set up for me to not get them until the actual time had passed. That was the set up and I didn't mind it.

I would prefer that the Reward Tokens could be passed out at the start of my sub period. But stuff happens. And I think that believing the Devs/Marketing deliberately set out to lie about what happened, knowing it would piss off players to have what was supposed to happen changed at the last minute, is moronic.

Controllers and MMs can be unlocked (And will need to be to be used) but will not be useable until/unless you also have the AT unlocked from the license or finishing Tier 5. IOW, to use a Controller or MM, you need to unlock them twice, once, the slot they are in, the other, the AT itself. Having either by itself is not sufficient to play the character.

And you only get the 2 slots for GR if you had it before the Headstart. Buying it now would not get you 2 more slots.

I read what you wrote just fine. I just forgot that the Outbreak mission was only available during The Pilgrim's intro arc. I thought it could be accessed as a stand alone mission from the Pillar. It has been a long time since I ran those arcs or looked at the low level stuff on the Pillar.

And you still have not answered my question about people like me that will have to wait for a month and a half to get more points. And will miss even more sales every week because of it. Of course, you are also ignoring the fact that even if they had given you your points on October 1st, right on time, you would still have missed some sales. They have weekly sales, you get your points once a month. By definition, you will have 3 weeks where sales are occurring and you do not receive points.

And seeing you complaining because you are receiving your points at a faster rate than 2/3s of the rest of the subscribers to the game for the next few months, doesn't really make me want to take you very seriously.

No. They never ever said that you would receive your Paragon Points frontloaded at the start of a multi-month subscription. The original plan was for us to receive Paragon Reward Tokens in that manner. A 12 month subscription would get us 13 Reward Tokens when we paid. They discovered just before Headstart that the system would not allow that to work, because it is tied to the old Veteran Reward system. They apologized for the change and are making changes to the way the Tier 9 rewards are cycled, and possibly getting the Token system to work the way they originally wanted.

If you have at any time believed that you were to receive your Paragon Points frontloaded for a multi-month subscription, you were either mis-informed by someone not a Dev, or you did not read the provided information closely enough.

On unemployment, only a VIP right now because of my 14 month sub. (I did buy $15 in points last week because I was supposed to start a job this week, but now it may be another week or two before it starts. Wish I had that $15 now.) I can't afford StJ right now, and won't be able to until the end of October when I get my next VIP allotment.

Of course, they will be releasing other things that I want and won't be able to afford until I can get some income. Such is life. It is a game and I have fun playing it. When I can afford more, I will get more, same as other things I like to do and can't right now.

BTW, I am not missing a single thing that was given to me as a subscriber before I21 hit.

Can't be as bad as Major League. Best line in the entire movie, was only in the trailer.

You have every right to complain. And other people have every right to tell you they think you are wrong. As long as both sides don't violate the rules of the forums anyway, since really none of us have any right to free speech on the forums, they are privately owned and regulated.

So go ahead and complain, and others will say that your complaint is wrong and you are both happy. See how that works?

Unless you are trying to say that you can complain, but no one can complain to you about your complaint. That would be a tad hypocritical, don't you think?

Team with me, please.







Pretty please.









with a cherry on top?







pleeeeaaasssse!?!

Makes a change from his normal diet of brains.

I believe that once you Know the Secret, you can use the Pillar from an SG base before doing the Pilgrim's arc, so you wouldn't have to wait until level 25.

Yes, although I have never hit Thierry before level 5, it is probably possible to get the badge before then. My mistake was not in excluding that however. It was in not using the past tense, since I was only referring to the original contacts, none of which had badge missions. Still, I was imprecise in my language. Mea culpa.

Actually, you can hit KR at level 5 and do the AP Safeguard mission to start getting the contacts. And because of the current bug for the Negotiator badge in Ouro that Snow Globe mentioned, that is the best way to get it at the moment. Plus it is the only way to get the AP Safeguard exploration badge, since Safeguard and Mayhem missions are not in Ouroboros.

Then what is he waiting for, he needs to get them for the rest of us! Hurry man, hurry!

I would lose access to Incarnates. And to about 50 characters, since I would only have about a dozen Global unlocks. And Time Manipulation powerset, so there goes a couple more characters. And First Ward content, which is supposed to be great (Although I haven't gotten to it just yet, I am planning on it.) And the Signature arc, which I have enjoyed running and am looking forward to the coming installments.

So that would be $200 just for enough slots for the existing characters (Assuming I only have 50 locked, which is on the low side), plus 800 points for Time, plus 4000 points to unlock my EATs (Only available with a license, not Premium unlock), and only 600 more points for First Ward. And I almost forgot the 400 a month for the Signature Arc. And any time I want to create a new character, I either delete an old one or pay more money for another slot.

And with a multi-month sub, all of that is less than $11 a month for me. Yeah, unsubbing is a much better deal for Tier 9 VIPs. (Oh, forgot the Tier 9 VIP stuff, lose that too.)

I am going to use a couple for a character rename. Can't believe I put an extra i in Sinister.

As I listed above, they are repaying my loyalty with a huge bunch of stuff that would cost me a lot of money if I had to get it through the store. If you are going to have Tier 8 filled next month, remember that your points go up to 550 per month. And you do get a lower price if you subscribe for a longer period. You can get a 12 month sub here for 144.40. So just over $12 a month.

I don't know what is offered on the other game for free, I have never tried it because my system can't handle it. But I have heard your character choices are extremely limited, losing the freeform power choice that is supposed to be the best part of the game. So you can play all of their content, but only using what they allow.

Here the only part of the game that is completely shut off from non-subscribers is 4 level 50 trials and level 50 powers. Everything else is either available for free (Most of the game) or available for purchase. And as you have pointed out, huge amounts of the stuff that does cost money for non-subscribers is available to you without extra cost because of the length of time you have been subscribed, i.e. because they are rewarding your loyalty.

Saying they are not rewarding loyalty by talking about how much of the game you can play because they have given it to you as a reward for your loyalty? That kind of hurts my brain, really. But hey, if it actually makes sense to you, and you don't want to spend the money on the game, then don't. They have given you the Freedom to choose what works for you.

And takes any salvage and/or IOs that the other players had in the base storage? And the ones left behind lose any work they have put into the base and have to start over from scratch? I am sure absolutely nobody would ever complain about any of that.

I am not saying it should not be done. Just that there are a lot of issues to deal with with regards to moving SGs/Bases between servers besides just the coding, and the Devs have to consider all of those issues.

You apparently missed my sarcasm there. You are complaining that people affected by this will be missing sales because they will be getting their points a week or so later than expected. (Although note that it will be 1 month after they last received their points. And in the process of fixing this, they will receive their points less than one month later until the dates match.) I, OTOH, have to wait 1 1/2 months between the points I got in September and my allotment at the end of October. Look at how many sales I am missing. And that is WAI.

IOW, for the next few months, someone affected by this, will be receiving their allotment of Paragon Points at a faster pace than someone that is receiving those points when they are supposed to. What exactly are you complaining about again?

With regards to all_hell's rather incoherent rant about losing value because he paid for an entire year. I am on the 14 month plan and I find that particular argument to be full of [PANCAKE]. To put it as mildly as possible.