The categories are named in a potentially confusing way. Account items are once per character, and character items are once per account. For clarity, it's better to think of them as "available to everyone on the account" and "available to one character".
So yes, 4 XP boosters means you can take 4 charges for a single character, or 1 charge each for 4 characters, or some other combination totaling 4, but NOT 4 on every character. The Experienced vet power, on the other hand, is given to every character.
There's no reason not to Claim All in the Account tab other than maybe avoiding clutter. The Character Items tab should be used more judiciously.
Account items casn be claimed 1 time per character.
Character items can be claimed 1 time per account.
Which is a big fail of logic on Paragon's part. (Yes, I know, from dev's side it isn't upside-down at all, but we aren't the devs.)
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Im glad I asked...
It does not make sense at all. Character items make you think you can claim those for every single character.
Epic fail naming those vouchers, Paragon!
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Actually if they just changed it to "Account-wide" and "Character-specific" it would make much more sense. That's probably what devs thought when they named them like that. Then they shortened the names, and confusion started.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
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Im glad I asked... It does not make sense at all. Character items make you think you can claim those for every single character. Epic fail naming those vouchers, Paragon! |
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Wait... am I remembering wrong? Aren't vet rewards like Sands of Mu, Blackwand, and the little pets listed under "Character Items"? |
Originally Posted by 3dent
Account items casn be claimed 1 time per character.
Character items can be claimed 1 time per account. Which is a big fail of logic on Paragon's part. (Yes, I know, from dev's side it isn't upside-down at all, but we aren't the devs.) |
If that's the case then combined with the misleading category names, a player would really be confused about who could claim what. I certainly thought it was the other way around before reading this thread.
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Character Items means once you use up that charge it is gone. And it applies to ALL characters on an account. I found that out the hard way. If you have 5 of something, you can claim it 5 times on a single character, or once on 5 different characters, but once you do they are gone. You can buy more of any of the Character Items in the Paragon Market. |
Originally Posted by Angelxman81
Still not sure how this works at all...
In character items, lets say I got 4 XP Booster (1 charge) temp. power. That means I can claim that power 4 times for a single characer? Same for windfall, unslotter, etc... |
Account Items you can claim one time on any character that currently exists or any character that you ever make in the future. But once you claim it, the character you claim it on can never claim it again. Vet Reward items fall into this category, so if you want your Sands of Mu or Assemble the Team power, that's where it's found now. These you cannot buy more of.
Basically, Account Items are items that all characters on your account have equal access to, hence the name. Character Items are items that are expended when you claim them with a character, and only that one character gets the benefit from claiming it.
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Account Items are items rewarded to your entire account and can be claimed once on each and every character past present and future.
Character items are rewards that can be claimed on one character and only once.
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Or it is a big fail of logic on your part. First time I saw it, I thought, Account Items are for the entire Account, Character Items are for 1 character. And hey, that's the way it works. IOW, whichever way they did it, people would be complaining about their screw-up. |
Originally Posted by 3dent
Account items casn be claimed 1 time per character.
Character items can be claimed 1 time per account. Which is a big fail of logic on Paragon's part. (Yes, I know, from dev's side it isn't upside-down at all, but we aren't the devs.) |
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
Wait... am I remembering wrong? Aren't vet rewards like Sands of Mu, Blackwand, and the little pets listed under "Character Items"?
If that's the case then combined with the misleading category names, a player would really be confused about who could claim what. I certainly thought it was the other way around before reading this thread. |
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I certainly don't "Claim All". I pretty much only claim the merits and useful powers. The respecs, tailor tokens, and base items all stay in the list until I need them. The cosmetic powers (sprints and non-combat pets) are never claimed because my temporary and inherent power lists are difficult to manage. I wish I could remove (or organize) other useless powers from that list as well like Vanguard pet, Shadowy Pressence, and Walk.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
There's no reason not to Claim All in the Account tab other than maybe avoiding clutter. The Character Items tab should be used more judiciously.
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Perhaps all that falls under "avoiding clutter", but it doesn't feel like it. Specifically in the case of the Base items, the fact that you can now only claim them once means claiming them for a SG that already has them is a waste.
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Originally Posted by 3dent
Account items casn be claimed 1 time per character.
Character items can be claimed 1 time per account. Which is a big fail of logic on Paragon's part. (Yes, I know, from dev's side it isn't upside-down at all, but we aren't the devs.) |
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
Wait... am I remembering wrong? Aren't vet rewards like Sands of Mu, Blackwand, and the little pets listed under "Character Items"?
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Which is precisely why naming it that way was a bad idea. No one is advocating that swapping the names would have been better. Completely different, more specific names would have helped.|
Originally Posted by Justice Blues
IOW, whichever way they did it, people would be complaining about their screw-up.
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My guess is that they realized this, but had real estate issues trying to fit better names on screen and figured folks would figure it out.
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For some reason I've never had any problem understanding how this works. The names used for this have never confused me. Of course there are probably other things in this world that I find confusing that other people have no problem with so I guess it all balances out. 
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Account items are awarded to an account: every character on your account can claim them once.
Character items are awarded to a character: one character can claim them once.
Fairly simple.
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Account items are awarded to an account: every character on your account can claim them once.
Character items are awarded to a character: one character can claim them once. Fairly simple. |
Character Items can be claimed once per Account
Seems backwards.
I'm with the devs here. It makes perfect sense that you find account wide claimable items under Account and character specific claimable items under Character.
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Account = account wide = chose multiple times, once per character.
Character = for one character = choose once, period.
I do think the names are still a bit confusing. Account Items is ok, but Character is a bit unclear. "One Time Items" instead of Character Items?
When those tabs first showed up, I assumed (before opening them up and actually looking inside) that the Character Items tab would hold all the stuff for my character -- that specific character's copy of Sands of Mu or Nemesis Staff, that specific character's respecs and tailor tokens... all the stuff that belonged to that character. I mean, it's mail addressed to the "character," isn't that who it's for? I likewise assumed that the Account Items tab would hold all the stuff applied to my account as a whole rather than to one specific character, because it's mail addressed to the "account."
So yeah... backwards.
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On the bright side, they did one thing right in that interface: there is no 'Claim All' button for the character items.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
There's no reason not to Claim All in the Account tab other than maybe avoiding clutter. The Character Items tab should be used more judiciously.
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My personal gripe is that we should be able to drag the border of the email window to expand it so we can see more than a few items at once.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
When those tabs first showed up, I assumed (before opening them up and actually looking inside) that the Character Items tab would hold all the stuff for my character -- that specific character's copy of Sands of Mu or Nemesis Staff, that specific character's respecs and tailor tokens... all the stuff that belonged to that character. I mean, it's mail addressed to the "character," isn't that who it's for? I likewise assumed that the Account Items tab would hold all the stuff applied to my account as a whole rather than to one specific character, because it's mail addressed to the "account."
So yeah... backwards. |
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Those two tabs originally had other names. I can't remember one, the other was called Vouchers. Want to guess what happened? People complained they couldn't tell which was which! So they changed the names to make it easier to tell and what happens? People complain! What a surprise! |
Originally Posted by Big_King
Which is precisely why naming it that way was a bad idea. No one is advocating that swapping the names would have been better. Completely different, more specific names would have helped.
My guess is that they realized this, but had real estate issues trying to fit better names on screen and figured folks would figure it out. |
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Originally Posted by Heartbreaker
Account Items are awarded to every Character
Character Items can be claimed once per Account Seems backwards. |
And this is even how stuff works in the entire game. You can use Astrals to get a single character unlock of auras. Or you can buy an account unlock in the Market for the entire account.
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Originally Posted by Heartbreaker
Account Items are awarded to every Character
Character Items can be claimed once per Account Seems backwards. |
Thats were I got confused. Character Items made me think those items are for each character. And its otherwise.
So yeah, names are backwards.
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Originally Posted by Justice Blues
Those two tabs originally had other names. I can't remember one, the other was called Vouchers. Want to guess what happened? People complained they couldn't tell which was which! So they changed the names to make it easier to tell and what happens? People complain! What a surprise!
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People were complaining before because "Certificates" and "Vouchers" were ambiguous, nearly-identical, essentially-meaningless terms -- quick, which was which? And more importantly, how was someone who's never seen them before supposed to tell which was which?
Just because they were changed from that, to something a not-insignificant number of players find counter-intuitive and confusing instead, doesn't mean the complaints will (or should) stop. A problem wasn't solved here, it was just turned into a different kind of problem.
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Thank you for the name of the other tab.|
Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
Those things used to be called "Orange" and "Green," and people complained. So they changed them to "Salty" and "Sweet," and people STILL complain? IS THERE NO SATISFYING YOU VULTURES?
People were complaining before because "Certificates" and "Vouchers" were ambiguous, nearly-identical, essentially-meaningless terms -- quick, which was which? And more importantly, how was someone who's never seen them before supposed to tell which was which? |
Yes, they should have used some words to indicate which items were for the entire account and which were used by just one character. How about "Account Items" and "Character Items", nobody could possibly complain about that!
And I figured out which was which the first time I opened Vouchers and saw an aura I purchased that I knew was only good for one character. After that I just, you know, remembered.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
Just because they were changed from that, to something a not-insignificant number of players find counter-intuitive and confusing instead, doesn't mean the complaints will (or should) stop. A problem wasn't solved here, it was just turned into a different kind of problem.
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So tell me. What should the Devs have done? What should they do now? How can they fix this in such a way that it will make you happy, without [pancake]ing off all the people that play the game that have no problem with the current set up. And try to do it without causing lots of confusion as the changes propagate to the vast majority of players that never, ever come to the forums.
Remember, your standards are, people have to be able to tell, without actually clicking on one of the tabs, exactly what items will be in each one, since according to you that was the complaint with the Certificate and Voucher tabs.
Personally, if they had chosen to use the names in the way that you seem to like, it would have seemed a bit strange to me, but I would have understood the logic behind it. And I would have just dealt with it, because if I happened to click the wrong tab, I know that it is really not that hard to click the other tab.
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Still not sure how this works at all...
In character items, lets say I got 4 XP Booster (1 charge) temp. power.
That means I can claim that power 4 times for a single characer?
Same for windfall, unslotter, etc...