Johnny_Butane
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Quote:Well, NCSoft seemed to state emphatically last week that was not going to happen. And even if they did announce otherwise, I'd assume that too was another in their growing list of lies.Originally Posted by Hit Streak
The point of my post was that unless someone comes forward with "we're happy to announce we have a deal in place..." it's better to assume that the rumors you're reading are just that...rumors.
In fact at this point I don't even like the fact they have access to my credit card info. They're that untrustworthy.
Maybe not right this second, but we know it's your job to pass along whatever drivel they hand you. Nobody faults you for it, but, like I said before, we know where it's coming from.Quote:And please, don't assume that someone's feeding me lines. That couldn't be further from the truth.
And, keep in mind I know what you said on one of the Coffee Talks, that some people at NCSoft are on our side. That's nice, but unfortunately for us they're obviously not the ones calling the shots in this and people above them are making the whole organization look bad by association.
Ironically, the people who are on our side are probably the ones hurt the most by NC bashing while the real villains don't give a damn. That's not fair or right, but nothing about what's happened around here since Aug 31st is fair or right.
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Quote:H_S, love ya man but half the stuff coming from one of the involved parties (NCSoft) feels like it has about as much truthiness as this random rumor from some internet forum. So as far as I see it, we may as well flip a coin. And yeah, I know you only post what they tell you, but at the same time, we know where it's coming from and they don't inspire a lot of confidence right now.Originally Posted by Hit Streak
It's going to be better for everyone (the community & the people still left from the Paragon team) if you only pay attention to information coming directly from the involved parties.
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarkBlaster_NA
Heard from a few people that NCsoft declined an anonymous offer of 80 million for CoH.
WHY WOULD YOU DECLINE THAT?!?!?!!
Why would they decline any offer?
An offer of $50 is $50 more than the IP/game is going to make them just sitting there.
The fact is, they probably weren't seriously entertaining any offers.
Why would they sell the game/IP to someone else when that would just create competition and potentially take money and customers away from other NCSoft games?
The press release that they "exhausted all possibilities" is just lip service. They never intended to take any reasonable offer and they probably demanded something ridiculous knowing nobody would agree to it.
And really, with all the games they've shut down, has NC ever sold the IP? I guess nobody ever offers them what NCSoft thinks is fair. Poor NCSoft! They try so hard too.
Seriously, with everything that's happened, the rumor could very well be true. I wouldn't rule it out at this point.
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Quote:Which is why today CO serves as a good example of "what not to do" for someone now attempting a worthy followup to CoH.Originally Posted by CyberGlitch
As bad as CO is, it was written by Cryptic, the same team that developed COH. Which just proves how hopeless a "spiritual successor" to this game would be
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophomore_slump
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The reason this closure is different is because there doesn't seem to be a good reason for it happening. By all accounts by the developers, the game was doing well. They were working full steam on getting the Issue 24 content update finished, which probably would have been released last month had NCSoft not shut them down. They also had Issues 25 through 27 in the pipeline at various stages of development, with I25 obviously going to be a big one. NCSoft hasn't said the game wasn't profitable either, only citing 'restructuring' as the reason for killing both the game and Paragon Studios so suddenly.
Then there's NCSoft's history and reputation of having a...cavalier attitude towards titles in their stable that didn't perform well in Asia even if they were solid in the West. With the memory of the closures of Auto Assault, Exteel and Tabula Rasa followed by NCSoft sitting on those IPs instead of selling them off to possibly allow the games to keep running, is it any wonder that CoH players view NCSoft's recent press release that they've "exhausted all options" (after only a couple weeks) to sell CoH or keeping it running with extreme skepticism?
There are too many unanswered questions, too many things that don't add up. All signs point to the conclusion that CoH wasn't closed because of anything it or it's developers did or didn't do.
The fact that a milestone of a game with eight years of success in the past and plenty to look forward to, with a thriving, enthusiastic community that's been cited as having one of the best relationships with their development team in the industry, can be shut down through no fault of its own for no good reason, despite the tremendous efforts by so many to save it, is practically criminal.
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My take is the video shows the CoH efforts are the WRONG ones
For the most part, the SaveCoH movement is trying to squash any "whining and b****ing".
They are trying their level best to be polite. They aren't trying to cause a s***storm, which is what the video is saying we should be doing. Not passive-aggressively asking NCSoft 'pretty please' over and over or showing them we're 'too good' to resort to getting ugly.
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My question to everyone is: in the event CoH can't be saved, can and will you get behind a spiritual successor/new super hero MMO?
If so, use this thread to send a message to whoever might be listening that is considering such an undertaking that a spiritual successor to CoH is something you want to happen.
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Quote:Here's why I don't subscribe to your line of thinking: it's never over.Originally Posted by JayboH
I agree.
Then again, I don't believe in pursuing anything else either. It's over
Right now you have GW2 players and prospective Wildstar players reading about the CoH closure and thinking "yeah, but this won't happen to me. My game is safe."
Just as you had CoH players saying the same when Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault were killed.
You can't save CoH but you can try to stop the cycle.
You want to be a hero? Don't be the d-bag that got hazed in university and now in his senior year has the chance to take a stand against it but says: "It's not my problem now. Besides, I had to take it so now I'm going to unload that anger into some new kid."
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Quote:It's Massively's job to cover real news. If a 6 year old child sends them an email with crayon-drawn concept art and asks them to cover a "video game" he's making and self-publishing, they're not going to report on that because he's not reliable. If Cletus McTinfoilhat sends a letter to the New York Times that the US President is a reptilian alien, they are not going to give him front page coverage because he is not reliable.Originally Posted by Leandro
Massively's job is to cover as many different games as they can. Punishing them for doing their job is stupid.
They have to have standards. It would reflect badly on their publication.
NCSoft has also demonstrated that they are unreliable and therefore should be below Massively's standards to cover. They'll shut down a well-regarded milestone of a MMO that's still profitable for no good reason and tell customers of 8 years to kiss off. They'll forge a resignation letter while someone is not even on the planet. They shut down MMOs so often it's become a running gag.
That kind of activity should not be supported or endorsed by any fans of MMOs, Massively staff included. I don't want NCSoft's games to be covered any more than I want "Cheap Meds from China" email scams to be taking out full page ads in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Massively.com: Until NCSoft changes their ways I will not knowingly be giving you any traffic while you continue to give positive coverage to Guild Wars 2, Blade and Soul, Wildstar Online or any other NCSoft game. It reflects badly on your publication and on your standards and I will be urging others to similarly avoid you and other sites that also endorse NCSoft's actions.
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I think the best thing you could reply with is to tell Massively that as long as they are going to cover (and therefore provide publicity for) other NCSoft games like Guild Wars and especially Blade and Soul, that you will not be giving them traffic.
It's not about "punishing" Massively or anything so juvenile. In fact, Eliot Lefebvre and others at Massively have been very supportive of CoH and player efforts to save it.
It's about sending them a message that they can convey to NCSoft's PR outlets that the MMO community doesn't approve of their actions with CoH's closing; that if they're going to shut down a profitable, well respected and long established MMO for no good reason, and then 'ignore' player outcry, they are not to be trusted with our money.
Because if NC will do that, what's to say they're not going to just shut down any game at any time "just because"?
If you can get Massively and other MMO news sites to do that, to say to NCSoft their their actions will not stand and that they are no longer trustworthy as a MMO publisher and are not worth covering, they'd feel that. Even if Massively were the only site to do so, it would still make waves.
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Quote:At the most, all they're going to do is thank us for the support. Any plans they may have (or plans for plans) like forming a new studio to create a new super hero IP and spiritual successor to CoH, they're not going to talk about or even hint about at this stage.Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
We can only wait to see if people from Paragon Studios will speak about their end of things.
I can't say I'm surprised. NC had zero reason to budge on the IP because all they'd be doing is enabling a competitor. They didn't want the game being saved and they don't want anyone else to have it. I doubt they seriously entertained reasonable offers, and considering they just plan to sit on the IP, even $200 in pennies would be more than it's going to make then for the next three years.
Nope. Better to sever ties with these a-hats and start over someplace green. What we still need to do is throw our support behind 'Formerly Known as Paragon Studios' and show them we want a future with a quality superhero MMO made by them in it.
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Quote:Having played Vibora Bay, I don't think it was worth paying for. Especially in a game that at the time had big content gaps for just leveling 1-40.Originally Posted by Venture
In their defense, when they announced plans to make the Vibora Bay zone part of a paid expansion the forum population went ballistic, leading to the community rep who made the announcement getting sacked and the zone going out for free. If the fans are going to be outraged at the idea that new content might be worth paying for I can't really blame the developers for feeling that new content isn't worth their resources to develop.
Especially when compared to CoH which put out more "free" content in it's first six months than CO has released to date. And that includes stuff CO had the wontons to charge for.
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Flash forward to the world of 2040:
Husband: "iCar, set destination for that nice Italian restaurant on 5th street."
Siri iCar: "Advisory: I see by the date this is you and your wife's anniversary. Wouldn't you rather take her to TGI Friday's?"
Husband: "No thanks. Set destination to the Italian restaurant on 5th street."
Siri iCar: "Advisory: Traffic congestion on 5th street. Estimated time of arrival: 10 hours"
Wife: "But it's just on the other side of town!"
Siri iCar: "In just 7 minutes you could be at a TGI Friday's enjoying tonight's special that includes..."
Husband: "Just set the destination to TGI Friday's. Again."
Siri iCar: "Destination set: TGI Friday's. Please enjoy the drive. Sponsored by, TGI Friday's."
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It's probably about the best we can expect, given that they're receiving Guild Wars 2 ad revenue. Quote:Not many people play City of Heroes so it being closed down isn't as big a deal as people are making it, as I read it.
Oh ****ing come on. Seriously again?
They didn't have to mention City of Heroes at all. The only other times they bring up a game that older than three years that isn't 8bit is to make fun of Duke Nukem Forever.
As I said in the other thread:
I'm pretty sure people on these forums made Scott regret even posting about the SaveCoH efforts after pulling his message apart (just like is being done now). And Kurtz actually liked the game and had a connection to it.Quote:Please don't ****ing attack them like you did Scott Kurtz. They're giving us exposure.
I mean, the strip in question is basically an excuse to namedrop CoH and bring attention to its closing.
I mean, FFS people. This and I'm considered a bad part of this community by most?
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Quote:Should have kept their thread on the first page. It wasn't when I posted. Now I claim both threads in the name of shawarma.Originally Posted by Xzero45
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Quote:That would probably be a UK regional thing because 'kebab' technically can refer to any number of meat dishes. It's like saying 'a roast'; you can have a roast of pork, roasted chicken, beef pot roast, etc.Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU
Although you say it is a generic term, and I do not dispute that, I would go further and say that in the UK (where I live), if you say Kebab, 90% of people will think of Donar kebab (especially after a night of drinking/partying)
Though, I'm not saying the way it's being used in the UK isn't valid. Again, using the hamburger analogy, in the US everyone knows if you're going out for 'burgers and fries' it means hamburgers and fried potato.
Furthermore, 'gyro' and 'shawarma' are just variations on the word for 'turn', just like donar, donner, donair etc.
Street food iz srs bzns
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Quote:Gyros are a specific kind of doner kebab. The Greek regional variant to be precise. Keep in mind "doner kebab" is a generic name for a number similar of foods. It just means 'turned meat cooked over flame'.Originally Posted by Gangrel_EU
Depends on where you are from and what you are referring to actually.
If you are referring the "meat in flat bread" thingy (also known as a donar kebab in the UK), then it is pronounced as "Heero" (parts of the US, some other parts of the world) if i remember correctly.
It's like saying hamburgers are a kind of sandwich. That's completely true, but not all sandwiches are hamburgers.
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http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/10/01
...got on the bandwagon.
Please don't ****ing attack them like you did Scott Kurtz. They're giving us exposure.
I mean, the strip in question is basically an excuse to namedrop CoH and bring attention to its closing.
Thanks Mike and Jerry.
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So I caught this premier.
Walked away feeling better about it than I did when the 2003 series first showed up.
SPOILERS AHOY!
The tone of it is lighter than the 2003 series, but darker than the cheesiest episodes of the '87 series. The show is semi-self aware and the writers already play with people's expectations; there's a lot of trope being played with and plenty of lampshade hanging.
These are a younger acting, less experienced incarnation of the turtles. The first episode is their first time going top-side. They're aren't perfect fighters or a well-oiled machine yet.
Personality-wise, the turtles are pretty much how you'd expect with some slight variations.
Leo is less experienced as a leader and takes his cues from an animated Captain Kirk look-alike on a TV show he's a fan of. Right down to the corny speeches because that's what he thinks a leader does.
Raphael still has anger issues, but will a lot less angst so far. It's more he enjoys fighting a little too much and is very much the impulsive one. His rivalry with Leo is there and seems more friendly than adversarial compared to other incarnations.
Donatello still 'does machines' but he's got a little bit of a swelled head about it. He's poised to be the breakout character, IMO.
Michelangelo is the team's Pinky Pie. That is all.
Splinter, like the '87 series, started off as human. Personality wise, he still about the same if not a little less uptight. He treats the turtles less as students/soldiers he's training and more as his kids.
April is 16, seems sufficiently spunky but doesn't get a heck of a lot of character development in the first couple episodes. They're already ship-teasing her with Donatello.
Shredder appears to be human this time, still leading an organized crime operation called the Foot and so far looks to be completely unassociated with aliens or science fiction elements.
A nice mix of classic turtles and some new twists in a lighter setting. As a fan since the '87 series, I give this series a thumbs up so far.
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Quote:And, if the special they put out last summer is any indication, when Venture Bros returns there will be a huge dip in animation quality. Apparently World Leaders, the studio they had been using, went out of business? Apparently now the episodes will be done in Flash, like the original pilot from years ago.Originally Posted by Dark One
And yet, it's another 6 months or so till new Venture Brothers. Over 2 years for new episodes of that show. At that point, why even bother?
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Quote:They are all over Steel Canyon, old Atlas and Echo of Galaxy City as well.Originally Posted by Turjan
In the original Outbreak map, there are some tall buildings that have religious figures sculpted on the sides at the top - monks of some sort. Can't say I've seen them elsewhere in the game that I recall. Odd thing about these ones is the walls they're part of are translucent...
I sent a bug report about them once an issue from i11 onwards but gave up after Ultramode.
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Quote:My instincts and experience tells me than if you do that you run the risk of one of those fandoms taking over. Say the core of the boards in CoH/superhero MMOs and you get a solid 200 people migrate from here (just pulling numbers out of the air). What happens if by some quirk of chance you end up attracting thousands of Whovians(?) I guess it really comes down to if you'd see that as a 'problem' or not.Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
I've received a suggestion that any Fandom (Harry Potter, Supernatural, Doctor Who, etc.) that gets three people requesting such gets its own section. So just like we have a Servers section here, we'd have a Fandoms section there.
Thoughts?
I'm reminded of a friend of the family who always wanted to start a quiet little tea and brunch spot where she could chat with customers. She picked a spot downtown near a retired living facility, decorated with lots of period nostalgia, piped in some old-timey music and waited. Instead of seniors she got a ton of university kids and young artists from the art college nearby. At first she was upset, but hey, she was doing well by the business so she just accepted it, albeit making a few menu changes and eventually even opening late to catch the night crowd.
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There is a movement in the professional gaming world to save the game in some form or fashion but the process is complicated and involves several key elements to succeed.
*misunderstands completely*
TA, who's cars do I need to key?
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http://thorsassassin.com/2012/09/28/...nner-and-hope/
Thor's Assassin's blog about the dev dinner. I haven't seen anyone post about it yet.
I know nobody can talk about anything. But without regular updates, things will continue to disintegrate pretty fast.
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Quote:The thing is, it's not TonyV doing and saying this stuff at all. If anything, things are getting away from him while his attention and efforts are elsewhere. To be sure, if there are people 'infiltrating' Titan Network to co-opt its efforts who will ultimately result in undermining efforts to save the game, they're the ones ranting that anyone who doesn't drink the kool-aid are part of a secret plot by NCSoft or their PR firm.Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Sure, Im sure TonyV thinks it's nice to be surrounded by people that would agree to everything he says or do and basically wordship him, and yes they might create another game. But how far can a game go on a community only about 10-20% of the size of this community, and in the log run how long will it last if it's a game only made for and by TonyV and his inner circle?
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