BunnyAnomaly

Originally Posted by Arbegla

You have the BU proc in Buildup, which is giving your mids another 100% damage. You also have 17.5% extra damage from set bonus. What i was using was an SO slotted build, with basically 3 damage SOs slotted in each attack, and no recharge at all, to show base values.

Originally Posted by Arbegla

elec/shield
LR = 290.28(base) + (290.28 * 1.95)(BU + enhancements) = 856.32 damage
And everything is dead, or close enough.
Repeatable every 90 seconds

Originally Posted by Seyshara

My Tanker (and in fact all my characters except the two Kheldians) would be screwed with this.

Originally Posted by Grant_Hammerhoof

Originally Posted by Seyshara

3 bonus powers I avoided mainly because they didn't fit my character concept.

Originally Posted by JusticeValkyre

Worse case, you take powers, and never turn them on. Never put the icons in your tray, and pretend you never took them.

For the life of me, I cant see how people feel this is a bad change, or a nerf. Try as I may, it just never seems like there is a loss occuring here. Looking over my toons, my main (fire/fire tank) will regain SJ, I can take acrobatics again for KB protection (which frees up like 3 slots for me) and will gain either Fire sword or Incinerate (havent decided which yet). My Shield/Fire tank gains fire sword, grant cover (for yet another Gamblers!!!) and will prob grab SJ for better travel. My 2 ill/rads will grab single slotted EMP for kicks vrs bots, and single slot Stealth and grant invis for 2 more gambler slotting. I mean the list goes on, nearly every toon of mine is improving attack chains, and or improving there recharge. Then factor in the incarnate stuff, it gets better and better!

Originally Posted by Umbral

Because when I make an abstract comment about how I would fix a power that is, as it stands, completely broken and only balanced within the context of a horribly imbalanced set, and say that one of the first order fixes for the set would be to fix the rest of the set so that it no longer needs a completely borked buff power to make it viable I should specifically tell you how I would prep the rest of the set in order to make the largescale change allowable? Wow... that makes so very much sense (that's sarcasm if you missed it).

Originally Posted by Durien

so I may be completely crazy here, but i thought rage lost the crash if you had it perma, which is really easy. Is that incorrect, am I just making crap up?

Originally Posted by Umbral

I'm guessing you completely glossed over the fact that part of the changes that would go along with the Rage revision would be a complete revisiting of the dam/rech/end of the existing SS attacks. I mentioned it rather explicitly so, please, read my posts before you start trying to comment on them.

Originally Posted by Umbral

I've got an entire write-up for some SS changes I'd like to see in the future, but my change to Rage really has to be the biggest one:

As I'd like to see it, Rage would be a toggle with a long recharge time (~90 secs) that provides a small +tohit buff(~7.5-10%) and activates RageModeOn for the character for a pittance of endurance (.065 end/sec cost for the toggle; the same as Combat Jumping). While RageModeOn, all Super Strength attacks the character uses would deal an additional 50% base damage and cost the character an additional 50% of the base endurance cost of the power as unresistable end drain. The end effect would be for the SS user to deal substantially more damage that is fully affected by all +dam buffs while having to pay a disproportionate cost for doing so (because the additional end cost wouldn't be reduced by end redux), which also means that Brutes would get the full effect of Rage rather than the diluted gains they currently achieve (because the comparative advantage of another 80% +dam when you're already packing ~250% isn't much compared to what you'd get if your baseline +dam were only ~100%).

For some numerical examples of how it would work, consider an arbitrary SS attack string that deals 50 DPS and costs 3 end/sec, unenhanced (16.67 DPE). With my variant of Rage toggled on, the attack string would deal 75 DPS and cost 4.5 end/sec (16.67 DPE). The dam/end ratio is perfectly preserved, though the end cost is quite a bit too high to be sustainable (even though the damage is high enough that you might kill your target before you notice you're about to run out of end). Now we assume that the player enhances it for 100% +dam and 50% end redux. With Rage toggled off, it deals 100 DPS and costs 2 end/sec (50 DPE). With Rage toggled on, it deals 150 DPS and costs 3.5 end/sec (42.86 DPE). The ratio skews downwards, meaning that, though you're dealing more damage, you're having to pay more endurance for that higher level of damage: you're getting 50% more damage, but you're paying 16.67% more endurance per point of damage spent for the privilege of doing so.

Now, the advantage is that you get to deal more damage virtually any time you want and it stacks with virtually everything. The disadvantage is that the additional damage you're getting is only as endurance efficient as it would be without any end redux in the power. The long recharge time on the toggle forces you to avoid toggle-dancing it and the higher cost causes the cost to go up as the performance you're getting goes up (meaning that it's incredibly difficult to simply build around the endurance cost as was possible with toggle-IH back in the day). It also has no crash so the only "crash" that occurs would be the endurance crash that happens normally when you run out of endurance.

When considering this, it's important to remember that, along with this change, I would also tweak the dam/rech/end on the SS attacks so that they actually have decent performance without needing to rely on Rage (just try looking at the numbers for Punch and Jab without laughing), so the set wouldn't really have the current justification for having a power that so thoroughly outclasses other powers within its same classification because the baseline powers of the set are so abysmal.

(as to the numbers, I'm not entirely set on them; the dam/rech/end ratio is relatively standard and I chose to provide an even trade off between endurance and damage in order to attempt to preserve that ratio; there might be some issue with not increasing recharge, but I see that as a viable trade off when you consider that endurance costs higher than endurance recovery capabilities are exponentially worse the higher they get above that point of equilibrium; with slotted Stamina, the amount of time that an individual would be able to fight with Rage on and off using the above arbitrary attack string would be ~50 seconds and ~193 seconds, respectively, assuming a 1.0 end/sec passive drain; the difference between those two numbers gives me some confidence that tweaking the ratio between damage and endurance costs wouldn't really be needed to account for a lack of increase to recharge costs)

Originally Posted by Telperion

If i recall correctly, if the power misses at any point, then it stops jumping. Each jump has it's own accuracy; the first one has the greatest, and each sucsessive jump has a bit less.