WTB New Support Sets

We need one or two more Blaster secondaries I'd say.

Let's start with a version of Trick Arrow:

Drop Disruption Arrow and Acid Arrow.
Add Build Up and Boost Range.
Make Oil Slick into Oil Patch.

Move around the levels a little and...
Here's what we've got:

1. Entangling Arrow
2. Flash Arrow
4. Glue Arrow
10. Ice Arrow
16. Build Up
20. Poison Gas Arrow
28. Boost Range
35. Oil Patch Arrow
38. EMP Arrow

Anyone else got any neat ideas?

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Wavicle, Energy/Energy Blaster, dinged 50 in Issue 4, summer of 2005.
@Wavicle, mostly on the Justice server.

I'd play that set for sure.

I would love a Natural/Martial style set to. People have thrown around the Martial Arts support set, with stuff like Crane Kick, and Dragons Tail in it, and I would love to see that.

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Actually, looking at it again, it's still too much like a buff set.


Maybe something like this:

1. Entangling Arrow
2. Flash Arrow
4. Glue Arrow
10. Ice Arrow
16. Build Up
20. Arrow Stab (you stab your opponent in the face with arrows held in your fist; a fast, hard hitting Lethal damage attack with not too long a recharge, think slightly better than Energy Punch, maybe with a little -Def)
28. Boost Range
35. Facesmash (you smack your opponent in the face with the middle of your bow; a somewhat slow attack doing a lot of Smashing damage and a strong stun, think a little better than Bone Smasher)
38. Oil Patch Arrow



that seems a little more Blastery

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Wavicle, Energy/Energy Blaster, dinged 50 in Issue 4, summer of 2005.
@Wavicle, mostly on the Justice server.

I've been seeing a lot of requests for a secondary that would bring with it some Martial Arts, so I thought I'd whip one up. However, the problem I ran into was that this set may have to overlap with powers from other sets. So sue me, but here goes:

Body Manipulation

1. Front Kick (A 300 "This is SPARTA" animation (which exists already) with an effect like that of Power Thrust from Energy Manipulation. Possible alternate animation would be the palm thrust animation of Cobra Strike from Martial Arts.)
2. Storm Kick
3. Dragon's Tail (Much weaker than MA's version, but with an accuracy bonus to ensure the Knockdown)
4. Crane Kick
5. Adrenaline Burst (a.k.a. Build Up)
6. Weakness Exploitation - Ranged Targeted AoE: You analyze and aim for your enemies' weak spots. Each enemy that is hit suffers a -Recovery, -Regen debuff. (Recharge is about the same as Build Up).
7. War Cry (need a better name) - PBAoE, Foe Fear (melee range): You let loose a bellow of power and determination. Surrounding enemies will be intimidated by your tenacity. (Stronger enemies will have a higher resistance).
8. Blindside - Self +Special: After activation, each enemy successfully hit will be confused. The effects of Blindside last a short while, and only the next couple of attacks will be affected. (In other words, your enemies can't tell where the attack is coming from, and attack their allies in their confusion. Lasts as long as Build Up, with a slightly longer recharge.)
9. Eagle's Claw

So there it is. Not sure what people think, or how viable it is, but that's why I'm posting it, to find out.

And as long as I'm posting suggestions for other Manipulation sets...

Radiation Manipulation

1. Toxic Pit (ST foe Immob.)
2. Contaminated Strike (the weaker melee attack of the Shivans)
3. Noxious Gas (Toggle: PBAoE Foe Stun(Special). Essentially, it works like Choking Cloud from Radiation Emission, but with a much smaller range, and it is a Sleep instead of a Hold.)
4. Radioactive Smash (the stronger melee attack from the Shivans)
5. Build Up
6. Radiation Drain (Essentially the same as Drain Psyche from Mental Manipulation)
7. Nuclear Shockwave (PBAoE Minor Smashing dmg, Foe High Knockback)
8. Internal Mutation (High DoT, Foe Hold. You cause your enemy to rapidly mutate from the inside out, leaving them writhing in pain.)
9. Lingering Radiation

If these go over well, I'll see what I can come up with for Dark Manipulation since I would like to see that if/when we get Dark Blast.

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@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.

/signed on all three ideas for blaster secondaries

Also, how about one for super-strength?

1 Super Thrust (Power Thrust)
2 Punch
3 Focused Rage (fancy theme-name for Build Up)
4 Haymaker
5 Conserve Strength
6 Hand Clap
7 Threaten (single-target melee fear?)
8 Boost Range
9 Power Boost

Darn Leviathan Mastery had to take Knockout Blow. Would've been great for a tier 9. :/

Also, sorry if it's just an overwritten copy of Energy Manipulation...

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yeah. the fact that it's basically energy manip means it's already fallen short. The developers have flat out stated that Energy Manipulation is not actually a manipulation set, it is an abnormality in the Blaster Manip line-up, and that no more powersets will be based on it's model.

Okay, to the first poster: holy toledo, somebody actually understands what a manipulation set is for....

Okay, Wav, you actually are on the right track for a TA set that might actually be considered by the devs, but some of the stuff needs to be re-arranged. Melee stuff comes early in the set.

• Entangling Arrow
• Facesmash (you smack your opponent in the face with the middle of your bow; a somewhat slow attack doing a lot of Smashing damage and a strong stun, think a little better than Bone Smasher)
• Bow Sweep (sweep your bow in a circle hitting all opponents in a circle)
• Fire Arrow
• Glue Arrow
• Build Up
• Boost Range
• Flash Arrow
• Oil Patch

There we go, melee attacks come early, and the final power tiers are built around getting out of melee, and Fire Arrow has been swapped in over Ice Arrow. Little bit less control, a bit more ranged damage, and allows the lighting of the Oil Patch even if the player didn't take archery primary. Also, swaps out the arrow stab with another Bow based melee attack. Keeping the bow in the hand during animations should help with redraw.

Winterminal: sets based on melee are not going to happen short of the entire development staff getting clubbed over the head repeatedly.

The only way the devs might consider a MANIPULATION SET with elements of Kinetic Melee or Martial arts is if the sets were extremely limited, such as this proposal: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...21&postcount=5

Remember, Energy Manipulation is largely considered to have been bad design, and I believe it has been directly stated by a red-name that the only reason the set has not been changed to be a manipulation set is because of the developer's own rules of not altering a power if that power alteration results in the power requiring completely different enhancement sets.

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Alrighty, how's this then? Based it on your model in the linked post.

1 Ground Snare (ranged immobilize)
"You stomp your foot into the ground, causing a large crack to travel between you and your foe, snaring their foot in the ground and immobilizing them for a short time."
2 Punch
3 Super Thrust
"You strike your foe with a powerful, but nonlethal, blow. The affected foe will be knocked a good distance away from you."
4 Hurl
5 Focused Rage (again, just a fancy rename of Build Up)
6 Hand Clap
7 Conserve Strength (just Conserve Power renamed)
8 Boost Range
9 Haymaker (change its stats to be the "oh snap" power)

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@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.

Do keep in mind that back in Beta, Blaster Secondaries WERE Melee. That's essentially how we ended up with today's Manipulation sets, they are the old Melee sets with most of the melee attacks removed, and replaced with some control powers.

Trick Arrow looks very much like it was originally designed to be a Blaster set, based on Devices. The first three powers, Entangling Arrow, Flash Arrow, and Glue Arrow, are almost identical in purpose to Web Grenade, Smoke Grenade, and Caltrops. The only difference is Glue Arrow doesn't do damage, and Smoke Grenade actually has a BETTER to hit debuff, relative to a Blaster's AT modifier than Flash Arrow. Then again, it does come much sooner.

Blaster Secondaries are not meant to debuff, though, Smoke Grenade, Chilling Embrace (with its -Dam) and Drain Psyche (-recharge and recovery) are the only exceptions. (You could consider any of Ice's -speed and recharge to be a debuff as well, but I consider that more a Slow) As I said above, the other powers seem to be mostly control powers.

Ice Arrow and even Oil Slick Arrow seem right in there, but I think melee attacks mixing in the bow as a striking weapon, or even kicks with the bow out, would work perfectly. I would move the melee attacks down as je_saist suggested, but leave in Ice Arrow, possibly moving it up to Tier 8 or 9. Fire Arrow is already an attack in Archery anyway.

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Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.

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MA Arcs: Yarmouth 1509 and 58812

Hmm, so I'm not the only one who was thinking that. I saw the post and just assumed I'd been off the forums too long to know if that was said or not. :T

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Until we can get a link to the information in question, I'm open to hearing feedback/criticism on the sets I've suggested. I would love to get a think tank going on how to refine those into viable powersets. Not sure if I said this already, but I'm all for the archery set that has been tossed around in this topic already.

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@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.

Isn't /Fire pretty much all damage? Wouldn't that now be two sets that have 'broken the mold'? I don't see any real harm in suggesting /martial arts or something similar.

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Idea for a MA set, if ripping off powers from others of course, and trying to work along the same trends of current blaster secondary sets. That and things we already have animations for. Though obviously the powers would need balancing for blasters.

1: Axe Kick - immob and -attack speed
2: flash bomb - Think a PBAoE flash arrow basically
4: focus chi - AKA build up
10: Cobra Strike - heavy melee damage with either a 100% stun still, or maybe a stun chance on par with bone smasher.
16: Poison bomb - ranged aoe version of poison gas trap. Dot damage attack with a debuff. But which to attach if any? I was thinking -res myself.
20: Exploding Shuriken - name says it all
28: Ninja stealth - Ninja version of cloaking device, thinking also a small run or jump speed bonus, like the ninja run prestige power.
35: Ninja reflexes - Borrowing from devices again, was thinking either click buff or toggle to give +hit, and/or maybe a small (5-10%?) +attack speed?
38: Crane Kick - Think total focus damage in a big way and 100% boss level knockback (Hey it is a level 38 power =p)

38 alternate: Blinding powder - Give it a wider 60 degree cone, but just the confuse effect or perhaps a good sized -hit? Would -perception be overkill too?

Other thoughts that came to mind, though not sure where you'd put them level wise, or if we're going into OP territory for blasters.

Shuriken volley - cone aoe attack ninja style.
Dragon Tail - after all /fire has enough PBAoe, why not add this?
Storm kick - just to balance a little melee attack with a big one like other manip sets, but i'd also just as soon see something slightly different.
Poison arrow - Basically a ranged stun or hold attack.

Think it'd be workable?

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If we get a martial arts set we need caltrops and the shruiken I see npcs use as powers and maybe a kick or three.

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