Arbegla

AVs have higher base 'accuracy' then most mobs, meaning their 'tohit floor' really isn't 5%. Its closer to 7.5% or even higher, which even softcapped means that AVs will just hit you more often.

Thats also not counting the fact that some AVs have powers or abilities with higher acc modifiers, or tohit bonuses.

Spiritual will benefit both the Healing and Recharge of triage beacon, as well as boost the recharge of all the /traps powers. Assuming you have endurance under control, spiritual is really the best bet for a /traps user.

To be fair, Energy melee has decent DPA in Total Focus, ET (even post nerf) and Energy punch. Bonesmasher and barrage aren't horrible DPA either, especially with the buff to barrage.

The thing with claws, is that it was 'balanced' do more damage on brutes. It didn't get the reduced endurance cost, or lower recharge that scrappers got, it got a higher damage scale on its attack (when compared to scrappers)

That higher damage scale, allows VERY HIGH END brutes to meet or exceed scrapper level damage, with identical builds. Its literally in the ballpark of 2% - 5%, and depends entirely on fury being higher then average, which is really only possible with liberal use of 'Frenzy'.

Pretty sure those numbers aren't right.. Lets look at the time required.

Followup's +damage buff lasts for 10 seconds, after a .2 seconds delay. Your followup->spin->eviserate chain takes 6.072 seconds to animation. The very best you can manage is double stacked followup.

Now, mids will calculate 95% damage, double stacked followup and 10% crit on spin/followup and 15% crit on eviserate all by itself. Lets see what it'll tell us.

Followup -> 148.8 damage DPA = 140.9
Spin -> 293.8 damage DPA = 111.29
Eviserate -> 386.9 damage DPA = 154.67

Im not sure why you would use Eviserate in an attack chain, as its very long animation time pretty much kills its DPA.

Lets look at the numbers this way:

At base, with 75% fury, and 10% crit

Brutes Eviserate does 227.4 damage in 2.508 seconds only amounting to 90.67DPA

Scrappers Eviserate does 143.2 damage in 2.508 seconds, only amounting to 57.10DPA

My previous post outlined the differences in attack chains for a single target, but you do bring up a good point, about spin and eviserate recharging faster on a scrapper, so the AoE may be higher.

Lets look at spin:

Brute Spin does 197.1 damage in 2.64 seconds, every 14 seconds.

With 95% damage, and 95% recharge enhancements, the brute does 272.1 damage every 7.17 seconds.

Add in double stacked followup, and the brute does 319.4 damage.

Scrapper Spin does 108.7 damage in 2.64 seconds, every 9.2 seconds.

With 95% damage, and 95% recharge enhancements, the scrapper does 212.3 damage, every 4.71 seconds.

Add in double stacked followup, and the scrapper does 293.8 damage.

So, on SOs, with double stacked followup, and brute does about 8% more damage then the scrapper, and the scrapper recharges about 35% faster.

So i can see where you'll look at those numbers and see that scrappers do better AoE. And depending on how many things your fighting, i'd be willing to agree with you, but only if the LTs and bosses out numbers the minions, as it would really only take 1 or 2 spins to clear all the minions for either AT, and then the brute would pull ahead single target wise (as per my previous posts)

Just resub. You can never be VIP AND have a free subscription. Thats what the warning might've meant. Once you resub again, you'll be back to a VIP

I referenced both of those things, in which i said that Fury (the brute inherent mechanic) more then makes up for the higher damage scale that Scrappers have. Another way to look at it is is:

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Damage_Cap#Damage

Scrapper damage scale = 1.125 Damage cap = 4.0
Brute Damage scale = .750 damage cap = 6.75

Scrappers maximum possible damage on a scale 1.0 attack = 1.125 * 4 = 4.5
Brutes Maximum possible damage on a scale 1.0 attack = .750 * 6.75 = 5.0625

So, at the damage cap, on a scale 1.0 attack, brutes will do more damage (when you don't account for critical hits, accounting for critical hits adds about .45 to scrappers, putting them at 4.95, still lower then brutes)

This isn't always true. Due to fury, adding a straight +damage affect, at base, brutes will have lower DPA, but after building fury to 75% (which is the more reasonable amount, as 85% is hard to maintain even on buzz saw builds) the DPA will either match, or be in favor of the brute, as 75% fury translates into a straight 150% damage increase.
You failed to look at the bigger picture. Yes, overall, scrappers have faster recharge times then brute, but due to the higher damage scale on the attacks (which brutes have) brutes pull out ahead. Even when you consider critical hits. Also, followup, the largest thing your using to compare brutes vs scrappers, has the exact SAME recharge between the 2 ATs, making it your 'crutch' power that you need to throw the most recharge into.

Lets again look at the standard 4 attack chain for claws, which is Followup -> Focus -> slash -> swipe. This is using the 3 highest DPA attacks (which is what you want to use for an attack chain) and adding in followup to supplement those attacks.

Brutes recharge requirements for the chain:

Followup -> 203% recharge
Focus -> 116% recharge
Slash -> 86% recharge
Swipe -> 0% recharge

Scrapper recharge requirements for the chain:

Followup -> 203% recharge
Focus -> 73% recharge
Slash -> 40% recharge
Swipe -> 0% recharge

As you can see, both the brute and the scrapper need over 200% recharge in followup to run identical chains. The scrapper could slot less recharge in the other powers (about 40% less) but with the massive global recharge required to meet the followup requirement, the brute will have the same chain as the scrapper with identical slotting.

So your 'But the recharge is faster on a scrapper' it a mute point due to the fact that followup recharges in the exact same time on both ATs, forcing that power to be the crutch of any attack chain you make. Unless you want to try to tell me again that a brute wouldn't use followup but i can't see a reason why they wouldn't. Its still a pretty constant 30 - 60% damage increase, and even with damage bonuses being over saturated due to fury, its still a pretty hefty increase.

Now, lets run the numbers again, this time while I'm at home, and I can use mids to get the correct arcanaville time.

Brute at 75% fury:

Followup does 83.42 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.056 total DPA = 78.996
Focus does 157.4 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.32 total DPA = 119.242
Slash does 154.3 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.584 total DPA = 96.412
Swipe does 86.54 damage, with an arancatime of 1.056 total DPA = 81.951
Total damage = 481.66 in 5.016 seconds, for a total DPS of 96.025
Add in double stacked followup and you have 481.66 * 1.6 = 770.66 damage, boosting your DPS to 153.64

Scrapper with 10% critical chance:

Followup does 55.05 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.056 total DPA = 52.131
Focus does 95.66 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.32 total DPA = 72.47
Slash does 90.84 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.584 total DPA = 57.348
Swipe does 52.3 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.056 total DPA = 49.53
Total damage = 293.85 in 5.016 seconds, for a total DPS of 58.582
Add in double stacked followup and you have 293.85 * 1.75 = 514.74, boosting your DPS to 102.52.

Brute is ahead by 33% damage. Even when accounting for the higher recharge times, and lower boost of followup.

lets look at the highest DPA attack chain you can make on a claws, which is followup, focus, slash.

the recharge requirement would be at follows:

Brute:

Followup -> 313% recharge
Focus -> 203% recharge
Slash -> 169% recharge

Scrappers:

Followup -> 313% recharge
Focus -> 142% recharge
Slash -> 102% recharge

In this case, the brute would need about 60% more recharge in focus and slash to keep up with the scrapper, but with the crutch being on followup, the global recharge requirement may still be enough to make up for it, with identical builds.

Now, lets look at the damage, with a brute at 75% fury, and 10% critical chance for the scrappers:

Brute:

Followup does 83.42 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.056 total DPA = 78.996
Focus does 157.4 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.32 total DPA = 119.242
Slash does 154.3 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.584 total DPA = 96.412
Total damage = 395.12 in 3.96 seconds, for a total DPS of 99.78
Adding in triple stacked followup and you have 395.12 * 1.9 = 750.73 boosting your total DPS to 189.58

Scrapper:

Followup does 55.05 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.056 total DPA = 52.131
Focus does 95.66 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.32 total DPA = 72.47
Slash does 90.84 damage, with an arcanatime of 1.584 total DPA = 57.348
Total damage = 241.55 in 3.96 seconds for a total DPS of 60.99
Adding in triple stacked followup and you have 241.55 * 2.125 = 513.29 boosting your total DPS to 129.62.

Brute still pulls out ahead by 32%. With identical builds using both the average attack chain, and the highest end attack chain. Brute requires about 40% more recharge in slash and focus for the 'average' attack chain, and about 60% more recharge in slash and focus for the 'highest end' attack chain. Both ATs require the same amount of recharge in followup.

So.. how exactly do scrapper do more damage with claws then brutes do? Because my math is showing about a 33% damage increase, favoring the brutes. Now, my math does use base values, so once you add in damage enhancements those numbers may change, and the gap may close a little bit, but I'm pretty sure the brute will still pull out ahead.

I'm not sure what you mean by animation locked, as claws as some of the fastest animations in the entire game.

your second point is pretty much mute, due to the fact that it happens to anyone without a taunt aura, and currently every single one of the brute armor sets that can use claws, comes with a taunt aura.

While 'some forumites' may live in such a world, I do my best to average out everything i can. I/e picking 75% fury instead of 100% or even 85% fury, as 75% is much better to maintain and easier to reach in a quick fight. 10% critical chance is pretty much on par for how to work with scrapper criticals.

They should. So basically 1st token at $5 bucks, second token at an additional $10 (for buying 1200 points total)

Oh wow. So unless your going for the PvE set bonuses, (which only a few have decent ones) the proc itself isn't really worth the investment.

But claws on a scrapper is balanced different then claws on a brute. And compared Claws on a brute to SS on a brute would throw claws in the lead (mainly due to the -damage completely killing the fury mechanic)

Claws on a scrapper would have the constant follow up buff, but Rage would surpass that, especially double stack, or even triple stacked rage. Scrappers higher damage scale would turn even jab into a useful power, and its pretty easy to get a nice attack chain in SS using the 4 single target attacks. As long as you got the recharge on KoB down, it'll be amazing damage, especially if they let it crit.

Foot Stomp pretty much out performs Spin in most cases, you just get Spin much sooner then you get foot stomp. If they allows Foot stomp to crit, and keep its KU, it'll be amazing on scrappers.

Triple stacked rage, plus assault and some +damage set bonuses would mean you could get a scrapper to pretty close to its damage cap solo.... (240% damage, + 95% from enhancements, and another 10-12% from assault is 345% damage, scrappers cap at 400%...)

It'll need to be tuned down a little bit before scrapper get it. Not enough to make it weak, but enough to not be insanely overpowered.

Except they would nerf the hell outta it...

Like not letting Foot Stomp crit.

Plus, SS is pretty lackluster until you get rage. Its balanced around rage. And its -10000% damage buff. I'd love to see a scrapper hit KoB under the rage crash, and it crit, doing 4 damage. instead of 2...