Street Justice could be the highest single target DPS set in game when taken by Scrappers

Aside from concept (Which is important but I am focusing on min/max), but from a min/max standpoint Scrappers and this set are leagues beyond Brutes with this set. Every one of their attacks with the set can critical, in fact, I'd say Crushing Uppercut breaks the original rule of no Scrapper critical exceeding a 12.666 Brawl Index with the exception of Headsplitter (and I forget the original reason but that was stated by Geko, the original designer a long time ago).

On Brutes the set's AOE is pretty crappy when compared to Super Strength. Likewise, the single target DPS of each set when min/maxing means you are going to take Gloom because it is one of the highest DPA attacks in the game. The thing here is, once again you get slightly penalized as a Street Justice Brute because by mixing in other attacks you run the risk of losing combo points which is losing DPS. Since the highest single target attack chains involve spamming Gloom this will hurt Street Justice. Even when fighting with the 7.5% debuff it still lacks in single target DPS compared to Super Strength and the duration of that debuff is so short it becomes very minute against anything higher then an even con. (Its base 5 seconds even con).

Going into further thought, if you are min / maxing DPS you go Fiery Aura. For some unknown reason, this set is penalized by Fiery Embrace. Fiery Embrace does not effect combo's higher then 0, in other words, Fiery Embrace works by increasing total damage by 45% IE KO Blow is 9.8889 Brawl Index FE would increase this 45% *AFTER* enhancement and damage buffs. In Street Justice its only increasing the level 0 attack IE Crushing Uppercut is a BI of around 8 (its slightly higher) its 45% is modified off of that number and not the combo level 3 which is around 11.052 brawl.

Finally, for some other reason the set is once again penalized because some attacks are effected by Fiery Embrace by 25% and not 45%. No other set in the game has this penalty and why some attacks only get 25% of the benefit has me left wondering and wanting an explanation.

Ultimately, this is probably one of the highest single target DPS sets in the game For Scrappers but for Brutes its still in the shadow of Super Strength which superior in AOE and single target DPS.

And to give an idea of how hard this set crits with a Scrapper, Level 50 Scrapper BI is 22.5 damage, Crushing Uppercut with Critical + Tier 3 (The critical is only factored on the base but Tier 3 adds approximately 3 brawl) puts the attack around 21 Brawl Index. A Stalker's Assassin Strike is around 22 Brawl Index with a modifier of .9 (Or are they 1.0 now? Scrappers are 1.112 or 1.2 with Critical factored in) -- Basically at level 50 a Scrapper with no damage buffs at all can hit for 22.5 X 21 Brawl Index = 447.63 damage (This is the actual number, its slightly less then 21 Brawl Index) while a stalker's level 50 Assassin Strike is only 389.28 damage.

Then if you factor in an extra 7.5% from the -resistance it increases that number further but the point is made.

All the damage buffs seem to modify combat level 0numbers. probably due to ease of calculation and would be broken otherwise or base numbers modified based on the fact damage would be handled this way.

Coming from the guy who was whining in another part of the forums about how Street Justice was "nerfed" pre launch...

While it may hit harder with criticals on a Scrapper, my understanding is that criticals do not deal additional combo level damage, while Brute fury always comes into play as a straight damage bonus. Scrappers may hit a lot harder occasionally with crits, but it seems to me that Brutes should actually have the advantage in terms of raw DPS potential.

Brawl Index? What is this, Issue 6? Also, being a higher level does not shorten the duration of -res (it makes the -res less effective).


From what you're saying, it sounds more like Super Strength is totally out of whack than there being any issue with StJ on Brutes.

We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.

Everything else aside, Ultimus, why exactly does street justice have to be the best single target dps set for brutes, scrappers and presumably also stalkers and tankers? I'm not convinced that it is the best ST set for scrappers in the first place, but if it were, why does that mean it should be identical for everyone else? Scrappers don't even have the same sets to choose from as the other melee ATs.

No, it doesn't have the weakest aoe of all melee sets. It has better aoe than almost any other melee set while maintaining incredibly strong single target. Here, let's play a game. You name the set that you think has better aoe, and we'll go from there.

You can also calculate damage scale off the top of your head by remembering that scrappers do 63 damage per DS, stalkers do 56, and so on. That way you can also compare sets across archetypes, useful when that's the premise of your thread.

I don't know why SJ gets reduced effectiveness from fiery embrace and I agree that that could be a bug, but speaking of the set in general without sticking it to a particular secondary, you simply can't call its aoe bad. I'm hoping to eradicate that notion before it really takes hold on the forums. Combo system totally aside, it does fantastic damage with short animations, standard target caps, and short recharge times. Many melee sets don't even get two aoes, much less two of the best aoes available. The only drawback to street justice's aoe is the radius on spinning strike and in a min/max situation, you can cram ten targets into a twelve foot sphere. Quite easily, in fact. It's kind of the point of ambush farming.

I would strongly suggest PM'ng synapse about the fiery embrace thing to see if that's actually a bug or intentional. Other than that, I've only played my STJ character to level 2 so I can't really comment on it.

I thought the numbers looked good in the real numbers info screen, but then again, this was on a Scrapper.

Set looks good to proc out.

Just a curious question. From what I understand of SJ it's a very competent set when it comes to chaining for straight forward single target damage. From the numbers posted definately seems like it could do well. So the AOE's are well a bit different or smaller or need to be spaced well to get the full effectiveness. From everything I've seen and it was an idea I had before the set came out. This really would be a prime candidate to tie in with something like shield defense. AOO and it's taunt + damage aura, the quick attack of shield bash and maybe something like gloom to cover it a bit more could really see this set do quite well I figure. Well I am going to test it out at least. The taunt aura may help as well with making sure those mobs come right around me for the aoe swipes as well

Then again I have not really began to number crunch fully dang work and being sick has stopped this. It's a thought that makes sense on loosely what I have read. If anyone has any personal experience with a SJ/SD combo in beta or worked on this themselves would be interested in hearing if this would bring out the potential that this thread seems to say SJ has specially with a scrapper