Arbegla

eh, mobs that use energy in the 20s and 30s are pretty common actually. Especially when you consider /ELA has decent lethal/smash resistance too. Freaks use energy/smashing/lethal (and are vulnerable to energy damage themselves, so lightning field is that much more useful) gold brickers V side use energy damage, so do Praetorians (found in the new lower level TFs) psi damage is found in arachnos, as is energy damage.

If you play to your strengths you'll do fine. if you purposely go out of your way to fight things that do a damage type your not very protected by, then your doing to feel like you need more protection.

Plus the heal in /ela also acts like a conserve power, so your end issues shouldn't be as massive once you get energize, as you can pop it either when your need the heal, or when you need more endurance (as the +regen it offers helps offset incoming damage when you don't need the burst heal)

and the biggest problem with that is your 'facts' trying to prove that tankers are hurting teams more then they benefit teams. You want to play things you way, but your also trying to prove that your way is better then everyone elses.

Once you started doing that, its pretty hard to go back to the 'well, you play your way and i'll play mine' and it really shreds up any facts you may or may not have discovered.

as per paragonwiki.com

Scrappers get 10% for minion/Lts, 15% for bosses, stalkers get a flat 10%, with an increased 3% for each ally in range, its basically the same thing, which is exactly what i said, basically the same

I never attacked the forum reg date, just the vet badge time. I really have a hard time believing that a 6 month player will know more about the game, and game mechanics then a 66 month (or 7 year) player. Heck, i still learn something new everyday i play.

Even if Slainsteel has more level 50s, and enough inf to supply himself with top end builds, hes not going to discover anything new that hasn't already been done.

His 'speed' times are within the margin of error of normal runs (+ or - 2 minutes is the margin of error, and if hes doing it in 20 mins, and normal is 22.. well, hes not really speeding very fast) And hes stacking debuffs to the point of neutering anything that comes in his way. Neither one of those things are anything new, and he's trying to make it seem like he is the only one that runs that way.

And that noone else can come even close. The fastest ITF i ran was an all archer team, and it was 17 minutes. No debuff, no tank, just pure AoE damage. Does that make me better then Slainsteel? No, that just means hes way isn't always the true way and trying to preach it to the vets is like a middle schooler trying to tell a collage grad that he knows more math. Its just not true. That is my only 'vet' argument.

False. ALL tanker attack chains these days run the t1 attack, and ALL of them rotate said chain more often then 10 seconds. So even if you miss with said t1 attack, you still have your bruising benefiting not just you, but also EVERYONE ELSE on the team.

Show me a brute build that can increase EVERYONE'S damage by 20% and you might have a case.
Again, false. You have to compare all builds to all other builds, Cherry picking your comparisons doesn't really prove your point, and cherry picking your responds doesn't disprove any other points.

But for simplicity sake can you please show me a scrapper or brute build that can add a 20% damage increase at all times to every single enemy they attack? The Achilles Heel proc comes close, but its not 100%, and can fall off pretty easily. Same with the PvPIO -res proc. Plus tankers can take advantage of them as well.
Your on a roll, but still False. -20% resistance at all times, plus higher hit points caps then brutes, and higher resistance caps then scrapper doesn't make up for the lower damage?

Lets look at the solid numbers again shall we? http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Damage_Scale

Tankers have a .8 damage scale, brutes have a .75 damage scale (meaning at base, tankers do MORE damage then brutes) and scrappers have a 1.125 damage scale. Now, the damage caps for those 3 ATs are as follows: 775% for brutes, 400% for scrappers, and 300% for tankers.

This means that a brute would need to have more then 400% damage in order to pass a tanker on damage, and fury only provides them with a stable 160%. Plus, a lot of the power sets for tankers have more AOE powers then the ones available for scrapper or brutes, (look at fire melee, tankers get 2 PBAOEs, scrapper and brutes only get 1)

So, until you provide video, the math isn't support your cause very well.
Well, at least your willing to take tankers on your teams, even if you seem to think they aren't as useful as their cousin melee ATs.
Actually, most tankers build for damage as they have higher base values on their resistance and defensive powers, so its easier to soft cap, or add over layers of mitigation to them, meaning damage is the easiest thing to add to their builds.

Multiple people that have responded to you have already mentioned that they do 'speed' runs, and have gotten better times then you have, you just seem to be discounting their views in any respond you give.

Plus your 'best' times are within the margin of error of 'normal' times, meaning your 'speeding' isn't really much better then the 'average' and your not doing anything other people haven't already done.
Actually it does. It has a pretty massive impact on how you play compared to the vets, and how much you can or can not know in your 6 month play time. Some of us here are going on the 7 year vet badges, i'm personally going on my 66 month vet badge. Are you going to tell me that you know more about this game, its mechanics, and how the ATs play when you've literally played 1/6 the total time i have?

Not just does ice armor have capped slow resistance (100%, but capped is 95%) but they have 90% cold resistance as well, and energy absorption will softcap you to basically every damage type on just SOs. you throw some IOs into the mix, and you can have upwards of 55% defense to everything, capped cold resistance, decent-ish fire/lethal/smash resistance, a really nice heal, and hibernate for when things go really bad. Plus your basically immune to any slow effects.

Flippers don't ruin the market. Honestly, try to maintain the prices of enhancements or salvage for longer then 24 hours. And manage to make a profit off it.

No really, try it. Then come back here and tell us flippers ruin the market.

People with BILLIONS of inf to spend, and ZERO patience 'ruin' the market, if by ruin you mean 'throwing large amounts of inf at a singular problem until it goes away, this allowing everyone else to profit off it'

The market itself is designed to ruin flippers days. The lowest selling item goes to the highest bidding person, so i can list something for 1 inf, and someone can turn around and buy it for 2 billion. Flippers try to buy low, and sell high, but if anyone else is trying to buy things at the same thing, flippers won't always get items at their price point, and have an even harder time selling it.

The best way to make money off the market is to ignore the last five, and just put up prices your willing to spend. Chances are, you'll get your item in a decent time frame.

Normally, i'd take offense, but as you still haven't given me feedback on that /traps build i send you about a year ago.. i now know why

So YOUR the reason why i make billions AFK while at work. I see now

Yeah, that's kinda my point too. If people can say bot/traps are amazing due to their ability to solo AVs, why aren't Ninja/poison amazing for doing the same feat?

You misread what i said. I never said they couldn't do it, i just said your comparison of them is flawed. As your trying to compared ninjas/ to bots, and /poison to /traps.

You seem very much stuck on bot/traps and comparing everything to them.

Heres a different perceptive, does earth control do the same things illusion control does?

Does Fire melee do the same things ice melee does?

Is psi blast just as good as ice blast?
Your reading comprehension is really bad. Throughout this entire thread i'd been saying the same things, that if you think MMs need a buff, then you (figurative you) need to learn to play MMs correctly. Most of my posts have been directed at those who have very limited experience with MMs. Obviously that's not you (plainguy).

For you (again plainguy) I'm saying that each powerset has strengths and weaknesses, and once you play towards those strengths and weaknesses each primary and secondary can do amazing things in their own right. Could a ninja/poison run +4/8 missions? Maybe, with extensive use of Noxious Gas and Neurotoxic Breath. As Ninja's is more keen on single target, it will be harder to do then a more AoE focused powerset, but i'm sure it could be done.

Soloing AVs is pretty easy stuff, and i'm pretty sure ninja/poison can pull it off. Even without Incarnate abilities.

Your the one comparing Ninja/poison (or rather just Ninja/) to bot/traps, and preaching that melee pets suck. I wish my robots each had a self heal (like zombies do) or could do critical strikes (like ninjas) but the fact of the matter is they can't. Robots are AoE kings, but they do that in cones, and mainly from the assault bot. Thats why its much harder leveling up robots until you get to 26 then it is any other primary, due to the bulk of their damage coming from the assault bot.

Not all MM primaries are the same, and you have to look at the bigger picture in order to start comparing them.

Please look over my ninja/poison thread, it has builds in there and i talk about my game play. I'm sure i'm not going to be doing anything people have done before, but as many people feel ninjas need a massive buff, it'll be nice to have to documented somewhere that they can perform just fine.

Dev's have already said they are going to add a solo option, via story arcs. And Lambda can be completed with 8 people. So how is that any different then an LGTF or ITF (ITF is REQUIRED to get Roman Costume Pieces by the way)

There is solo progression. I've figured that if you collect, and convert 10 shards a day into threads, and then those threads into iXP you can get ALL your slots unlocked, AND have t1 boosts in ALL your powers in about 28 days time. This is not counting running the Apex or Tin Mage, and assuming you NEVER step foot into a Lambda or Baf.

This games strength has been more in just scalable small group content. Look at all the REQUIRED 8 man team Task Forces.

RSF -> Required for a Villain Accolade
STF -> Required to get the flyer badge on hero side
LGTF -> Also drops vanguard merits, and can trigger zone wide rikti invasion, thus providing more badges to more people
All of the shadow shard TF require 8 people, mainly due to the multiple glowies needing to be clicked at the same time.

Apex and Tin Mage require 8 people as well.

All of the above task forces require the same number of people as Lambda does, and actually take far longer to complete then lambda does. How is that 'raiding'? Because you can have more then 8 people? You can collect shards at any given level once you gain access to the alpha slots, either via a solo-able story arc, or unlocking it via the iTrials. Then you can convert those shards into threads, and those threads into more iXP allowing you to basically solo your way up the new slots.

Thats also ignoring the fact that the dev's have already said multiple times over that they are going to be adding a solo friendly option to the incarnate system.

ITF provides exclusive access to Roman themed costume pieces, RSF provides a badge that is required for villains to get an accolade. Task force commander requires 6 different task forces (half of which require more then 4 people to start) for heroes to get their accoaldes.

Without the market in place, Hami's are only available via Hami raids, or the RSF or STF.

There are plenty of things that are only available to groups, your just choosing to ignore them to make a point that is pretty invalid.

Large scale groups? 8 people is large scale? 12 i can sorta see, as thats higher then a single team requirement, but 8? Lambda can easily be completed with just 8 people, heck i was doing it from day 1 of issue 20 hitting the live servers.

How is 8 people 'large scale'?

You have to understand one thing here. People WANTED an end game system. And in order to get said in game system, they dev's had to create a way to allow progression slowly, without people finishing it all within a days or even a weeks time. That is exactly what these iTrials do, and they do them very well.

This is NOT WoW level raiding. This is not 'Either down that boss, or go home empty handed' raiding. This is NOT 'yep, you ran this raid once this week already, shame that you have more time to do it, its just not gonna happen'. THIS IS NOT 'Spend 5 hours in once instance beating on a bag of hp and then he drops the gear you can't even use'

Stop trying to compare the iTrials to other games raiding systems, as city got it right. They provided a means to progress past the max level, while maintaining the casual friendly nature of the game. Yes, i would've been happier with more then 2 trials, but with the fact the dev's have already said they are going to release trials in between issues, and that issues will be focusing on improving the existing slots, or adding more slots has pretty much made me deal with the lack of instant trails.

There is more trials coming, please just be patient.