Better resist, and the heal is solid. +recharge for faster attacks. A damage aura for higher damage output. A PBAoE end drain for more mitigation and endless SMASH. The tier 9 is solid as well. The real downside of it for brutes is that Energize comes in at 28.
Its a pretty dreadful set for survival unless you can heap a lot of inf on and layer defenses.
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My moderately IO'ed SS/Elec would like to tell you you're incorrect.
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Originally Posted by Death_Badger
Its a pretty dreadful set for survival unless you can heap a lot of inf on and layer defenses.
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Post your build then so we can see how moderate and how surviveable it is?
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
My moderately IO'ed SS/Elec would like to tell you you're incorrect.
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/ELA is a fine set.
With tough your sitting at around 58% to S/L. Your capped to energy damage. You can easily be at 40% resist to psi and getting to 50 isn't hard. You can ignore end drains and slows don't make much of a dent into your recharge.
By using Power Sink as a proactive tool to end drain spawns and lightning field to keep the end drained you greatly increase your survivability in large spawns.
I have always found that /Ela tends to shine in things like the LRSF, Apex, Tin Mage or the new trials where there is a large amount of Energy and Psi damage.
Of course the set is much better on IO's than just SO's but then what set isn't?
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Can you define heap inf? |
Originally Posted by Death_Badger
Its a pretty dreadful set for survival unless you can heap a lot of inf on and layer defenses.
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For some spending 500mil on a toon is a heap of Inf being laid out
For others spending 5-8 billion is just another alt in a long line of others that cost the same price.
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I also found that darkest night helps a lot on tougher enemies. But everyone underestimates the effect of sapping endurance. Powersink + lightning field really shuts down minions and lieuts (or at least the ones that didn't die from lightning rod hehe), and so you're only taking damage from the bosses and they won't be attacking near as often as usual.|
Originally Posted by joebartender
/ELA is a fine set.
With tough your sitting at around 58% to S/L. Your capped to energy damage. You can easily be at 40% resist to psi and getting to 50 isn't hard. You can ignore end drains and slows don't make much of a dent into your recharge. By using Power Sink as a proactive tool to end drain spawns and lightning field to keep the end drained you greatly increase your survivability in large spawns. I have always found that /Ela tends to shine in things like the LRSF, Apex, Tin Mage or the new trials where there is a large amount of Energy and Psi damage. Of course the set is much better on IO's than just SO's but then what set isn't? |
It's not as good as say softcapped defenses, but it makes a noticable difference.
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Originally Posted by Death_Badger
Its a pretty dreadful set for survival unless you can heap a lot of inf on and layer defenses.
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Originally Posted by joebartender
/ELA is a fine set.
With tough your sitting at around 58% to S/L. Your capped to energy damage. You can easily be at 40% resist to psi and getting to 50 isn't hard. You can ignore end drains and slows don't make much of a dent into your recharge. By using Power Sink as a proactive tool to end drain spawns and lightning field to keep the end drained you greatly increase your survivability in large spawns. I have always found that /Ela tends to shine in things like the LRSF, Apex, Tin Mage or the new trials where there is a large amount of Energy and Psi damage. Of course the set is much better on IO's than just SO's but then what set isn't? |
This, Oh yes, this.
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I would hate to think what your opinion of Fire is then.|
Originally Posted by Death_Badger
Its a pretty dreadful set for survival unless you can heap a lot of inf on and layer defenses.
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Originally Posted by joebartender
I have always found that /Ela tends to shine in things like the LRSF, Apex, Tin Mage or the new trials where there is a large amount of Energy and Psi damage.
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
I would hate to think what your opinion of Fire is then.
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I actually prefer Fire as you get a heal and end recovery tool far earlier than with elec. Elec is incredibly painful to level, which is what has informed my opinion of it. No heal until 28 and most mobs in the 20s don't use energy = a feeling of severe squishiness. No end recovery until 35 = chugging blues or resting all of the time due to the toggles you are having to run to have some semblance of survivability. My elec brute is currently stuck at 32 as I can't face logging her on, undoubtedly the set will shine where energy and psi are prolific, but that isn't in the teens,20's or 30s that I've found. I've also seen every brute I've ever done ITF with chewed up and spat out by Cimeroans, unless they use powersurge.
And as a clarification of spending lots of inf, my view of that is informed by the builds i've seen posted on here, never seen a build for /elec that would cost 500m or less.
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eh, mobs that use energy in the 20s and 30s are pretty common actually. Especially when you consider /ELA has decent lethal/smash resistance too. Freaks use energy/smashing/lethal (and are vulnerable to energy damage themselves, so lightning field is that much more useful) gold brickers V side use energy damage, so do Praetorians (found in the new lower level TFs) psi damage is found in arachnos, as is energy damage.|
Originally Posted by Death_Badger
I actually prefer Fire as you get a heal and end recovery tool far earlier than with elec. Elec is incredibly painful to level, which is what has informed my opinion of it. No heal until 28 and most mobs in the 20s don't use energy = a feeling of severe squishiness. No end recovery until 35 = chugging blues or resting all of the time due to the toggles you are having to run to have some semblance of survivability. My elec brute is currently stuck at 32 as I can't face logging her on, undoubtedly the set will shine where energy and psi are prolific, but that isn't in the teens,20's or 30s that I've found. I've also seen every brute I've ever done ITF with chewed up and spat out by Cimeroans, unless they use powersurge.
And as a clarification of spending lots of inf, my view of that is informed by the builds i've seen posted on here, never seen a build for /elec that would cost 500m or less. |
If you play to your strengths you'll do fine. if you purposely go out of your way to fight things that do a damage type your not very protected by, then your doing to feel like you need more protection.
Plus the heal in /ela also acts like a conserve power, so your end issues shouldn't be as massive once you get energize, as you can pop it either when your need the heal, or when you need more endurance (as the +regen it offers helps offset incoming damage when you don't need the burst heal)
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Originally Posted by Death_Badger
I actually prefer Fire as you get a heal and end recovery tool far earlier than with elec. Elec is incredibly painful to level, which is what has informed my opinion of it. No heal until 28 and most mobs in the 20s don't use energy = a feeling of severe squishiness. No end recovery until 35 = chugging blues or resting all of the time due to the toggles you are having to run to have some semblance of survivability. My elec brute is currently stuck at 32 as I can't face logging her on, undoubtedly the set will shine where energy and psi are prolific, but that isn't in the teens,20's or 30s that I've found. I've also seen every brute I've ever done ITF with chewed up and spat out by Cimeroans, unless they use powersurge.
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Look for missions where you fight Rikti, Lost, Clockwork (including Psychic Clockwork and the old-school Praetorian Clockwork), Freakshow, Goldbrickers, Praetorians/Prae Clockwork/IDF, Malta, Cabal, or Paragon PD (particularly Awakened PPD). You can also do well against Crey, as long as you're mindful of the Dark/Dark Protectors and the ice Power Tanks, and Arachnos, as long as you mind the Toxic Tarantulas and Bane Spiders. Freakshow and PPD alone stretch from the teens to the endgame.
ElA does well in the Synapse TF, Sister Psyche TF, KHTF, Manticore TF, LGTF, and Shadow Shard TFs. Unfortunately, all of the redside leveling TFs are pretty hostile to ElA; your best bet is Renault, and even that has Longbow and Banished Pantheon. ElA does a fine job of doing the 5th Column TFs and the Praetorian/Incarnate endgame of Apex, Tin Mage, and the Incarnate trials.
If you want, there are some ideas to get back on track.
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Merits can alter the cost a ton, but in my head a 500 mill build is rather cheap. My Kat/sr cost about 600-700 mil for 6 IOs alone. Again, merits can alter that price a lot.
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Originally Posted by Death_Badger
And as a clarification of spending lots of inf, my view of that is informed by the builds i've seen posted on here, never seen a build for /elec that would cost 500m or less.
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The main thing that works for electric is that it has a good resists to most everything. It's heal isn't great, but it's not bad either. The reason this works, is that it's actually moderately easy to stack up defense with IOs and pool powers, but you can't do the same with resist, and heals/regen are also a bit more difficult, though possible unlike resist. So what /elec is lacking is the easiest thing to fill with pool powers and IOs. That is why it can be a good set. Once you add in LF and LR and all the other oddball perks in the set, I think it turns out pretty good.
My main problem with Electric isn't that it's a bad defensive set, it's just that when you compare it to what /Fire offers, it's not quite enough more defensive to be worth taking over fire, besides for concept reasons. Or if your just tired of /fire I guess.
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Well, Power Surge isn't the only way to stay alive. Besides IO's, you have inspirations(you don't need blues, more room for oranges and purples), temp powers(Kinetic Dampener, Eye of the Magus/Demonic Aura, Combat Shield), using your powers wisely(healing and draining at the right time), and generally not getting in over your head.|
Originally Posted by Death_Badger
I actually prefer Fire as you get a heal and end recovery tool far earlier than with elec. Elec is incredibly painful to level, which is what has informed my opinion of it. No heal until 28 and most mobs in the 20s don't use energy = a feeling of severe squishiness. No end recovery until 35 = chugging blues or resting all of the time due to the toggles you are having to run to have some semblance of survivability. My elec brute is currently stuck at 32 as I can't face logging her on, undoubtedly the set will shine where energy and psi are prolific, but that isn't in the teens,20's or 30s that I've found. I've also seen every brute I've ever done ITF with chewed up and spat out by Cimeroans, unless they use powersurge.
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My SS/Elec Brute has no problems separating himself from the team in the ITF, to kill cysts and clear towers solo. He doesn't fit your cheap build restriction, though.
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as other posters above mentioned... /elec in lvl 50 with tough and cardiac has capped Energy res, 62 % S/L res, 40-50 % res in other types (iirc atm exactly).... if u throw S/L defence softcap and modest recharge (135-140 % with hasten), you will have one of the most durable toons in the game.... (also work yous accolades, its good to add high HP)
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This set seems to need a lot of help from outside powers. Obviously it keeps going like a energizer bunny, but so does WP and Regen. What does /elec bring to the table over them? 40% resistances and no def seems low for a Brute, though Energize obviously helps. Am I missing something, or is this just not a defensive secondary? Thanks!