NCSoft Declines More Interviews from Increasing Gaming Press Requests


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"The Save City of Heroes Campaign Reveals NCsoft’s Firewall of Silence"
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/...ll-of-silence/


I know other gaming sites like Massively have seemingly already given up the effort to scale NCSoft's Mercy Island fortress-like wall of silence; but they certainly tried.

But, as we say down here in reality, "Your silence speaks in volumes." Let's see what my wallet has to say about th-- Oh, hang on a sec. I'm getting a call.

It's NCSoft!



What's that, you say, NCSoft? Calling just to say you don't care? That you're bigtime now? That you don't need my wallet?

/emote pauses, restrains his anger, and maintains his composure over the phone.

Well, okay. Fair enough.

Wait, what's that?

No, no, no-- that doesn't mean you've just reverse psychology'd me into opening my wallet, NCSoft. It just means we're mutually parting ways.

Wait, what? No, no, no. I won't tell my friends all about your other games.

/emote looks down at his super hero costume and then rolls his eyes at the telephone.

I'll tell them all about City of Heroes. And then I'll tell them all about YOU. Good luck with your realignment of focus, wherever that focus is. Good bye, NCSoft. *Hangs up*

/emote exits the phone booth, and flies out into Paragon City, to solve a few more crimes, to apprehend a few more super villains, to stop a few more wicked plots and schemes...


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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric View Post
"The Save City of Heroes Campaign Reveals NCsoft’s Firewall of Silence"
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/...ll-of-silence/


I know other gaming sites like Massively have seemingly already given up the effort to scale NCSoft's Mercy Island fortress-like wall of silence; but they certainly tried.

But, as we say down here in reality, "Your silence speaks in volumes." Let's see what my wallet has to say about th-- Oh, hang on a sec. I'm getting a call.

It's NCSoft!



What's that, you say, NCSoft? Calling just to say you don't care? That you're bigtime now? That you don't need my wallet?

/emote pauses, restrains his anger, and maintains his composure over the phone.

Well, okay. Fair enough.

Wait, what's that?

No, no, no-- that doesn't mean you've just reverse psychology'd me into opening my wallet, NCSoft. It just means we're mutually parting ways.

Wait, what? No, no, no. I won't tell my friends all about your other games.

/emote looks down at his super hero costume and then rolls his eyes at the telephone.

I'll tell them all about City of Heroes. And then I'll tell them all about YOU. Good luck with your realignment of focus, wherever that focus is. Good bye, NCSoft. *Hangs up*

/emote exits the phone booth, and flies out into Paragon City, to solve a few more crimes, to apprehend a few more super villains, to stop a few more wicked plots and schemes...
I really dont blame them for turning that one down. It looks like the author has already condemned them and looking for more fuel for the fire. It's like the author already chosen sides as the Save COH side is right and NCSoft is wrong. It's like a Democrat getting an invite to to a Republican's Democrat bashing session (and vice versa). Or like a meat packing plant getting invited to do an interview from PETA and or the Vegan socity. It smells like a set up. It was smart for them to ignore that one. Maybe one that doesnt look like a reporter on the side of, or at least make it less obvious, that the reporter is already chosen a side. Maybe a little less bias and they might respond. But at this rate, I think the Save the COH thing have antagonized them so much that anything that look remotely like that organization they want nothing to do with and have no plans on answering or even acknowledging any thing they request until they feel they want to. Well when you declare war on a corporation, cant expect them to welcome the cause and consider going along with it happily. That's like cursing out a neighbor because you think his grass is too long and wondering why he dont even speak to you anymore or invite you anywhere or let alone allow to use his lawn mower even though he isnt using it.


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Maybe a little less bias and they might respond.
Believe me, NCSoft will not be seeking (or paying) an unbiased reporter to cover their side.


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Believe me, NCSoft will not be seeking (or paying) an unbiased reporter to cover their side.
You probably absolutely right about that. And hope COHTitan or what ever is the head of the SaveCOH movement dont fall into the trap when one of those NCSoft biased reporters come knocking for an interview looking for "Titan's side".


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...Isn't that telephone booth located in an Alternate Universe... of an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE?!

That conversation probably just cost you like 45K.


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At this point it would be difficult for an article with a pro-NCSoft slant to be taken seriously. The general internet talk about the shutdown has been very much in the players' favor and even the few dissenting voices have been generally sympathetic (i.e. 'yeah the game sucked, get over it, but it shouldn't have been shut down.)

If NCSoft was going to have a chance to put a more favorable spin on this, it would have had to been done at the beginning. Their silence on the matter has not done them any good and has let those people sympathetic to our cause control the conversation.

The only thing that NCSoft could do now to regain any kind of positive press about this is to issue a statement explaining their reasoning for shutting down the game and closing that statement with an announcement that they have agreed to sell the game to another publisher.

The longer they refuse to talk, the less anyone will want to listen to anything they have to say.


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At this point it would be difficult for an article with a pro-NCSoft slant to be taken seriously.


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At this point it would be difficult for an article with a pro-NCSoft slant to be taken seriously. The general internet talk about the shutdown has been very much in the players' favor and even the few dissenting voices have been generally sympathetic (i.e. 'yeah the game sucked, get over it, but it shouldn't have been shut down.)

If NCSoft was going to have a chance to put a more favorable spin on this, it would have had to been done at the beginning. Their silence on the matter has not done them any good and has let those people sympathetic to our cause control the conversation.

The only thing that NCSoft could do now to regain any kind of positive press about this is to issue a statement explaining their reasoning for shutting down the game and closing that statement with an announcement that they have agreed to sell the game to another publisher.

The longer they refuse to talk, the less anyone will want to listen to anything they have to say.
it depends on the avenue of the pro-ncsoft, even though I dont think one is even needed. The for and anti-nscoft havent hit anything mainstream yet outside the gaming community grassroot blogs, pages, and a few gaming magazines. Over all though, the average person, average American for that matter probaly still to this day havent even heard about NCSoft or COH and many that have is just another routine shutdown followed by the normal routine dissent of the players.

If there is to be a point that the save COH can shut out NCSoft if they for some reason decide to release a press statement, then they have to go outside the gaming elements and hit mainstream. NCSoft if they chose to add salt on the wounds can simply go to a mainstream buisness site and crush the save coh thing without so much as most of those readers hearing the other side. Right now, NCsoft is in a position where they dotn have a say anything and still come out on top and or twart the goal of SaveCOH movement. They can simply just be quiet and sit on the IP and call it a day and thei goal is achieved. Unfortunately it's the SaveCOH that have to do the leg work and probably wont get a bit of help from NCSoft to do that. Go mainstream, get the word out there and the case may raise an eyebrow at NCSoft. But staying in the gaming community, where it's all but guranteed going to side with the gamers, is cool for showing how many gamers agree but to mainstream, it's a corporation making a corporate decision and a bunch of game addicts putting up a fuss because they can no longer have their drug. Even though most gamers are far from addicts, living in a basement, with no life but as long as the gaming community stays within a gaming community and look down their nose at the rest of the world, then that is how they will be viewed and never will get true backing to be able to change anything, especially when living up to those stereotypes with the actions displayed when a game is shutdown.


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Well that is true enough EL but, if this does get to the mainstream press, they will want to do some research and they'll go to the internet and 'lo and behold' there will be all this information out there already telling a different story.

The sad truth is that this will probably never get to the mainstream press.

As you say, it's just not a big enough story what with all of the bigger events going on in the world. This is likely to remain a localized story but, the important thing to remember is that the people who are paying attention to this are the very people that NCSoft would like to have as paying customers.

It may be hard to tell but how many copies of GW2 have not been sold because of this? How many people will not buy Blade and Soul because of this? How many people will not play Wildstar because of this?

Negative press is always negative press despite what PT Barnum might have said and it takes a long time for companies to win back customers. If NCSoft had any chance of damage of damage control, they should have gotten to it long ago. Staying silent just reinforces the image that they just don't care. And how many people really want to buy something from a company that just doesn't care about what they sell?


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Well that is true enough EL but, if this does get to the mainstream press, they will want to do some research and they'll go to the internet and 'lo and behold' there will be all this information out there already telling a different story.
Mainstream media researching into this situation may tell a different story but it might not be what SaveCoH wants.

So far many of the movement's arguments for saving seems to be based on rumors, hearsay, 2nd-hand or misleading information and inaccurate representation of finances.

There's also some suggestions, think it was Mercedes Lackey, to see if they can use a scientific angle via anecdotal evidence from their other posters that CoH can help in therapy of autism and other ailments as reason to save the game.

And the writer of that article mentions Felicia Day and Neil Gaiman are in support of SaveCoH but i've only seen a retweet from Gaiman by request of SaveCoH and another tweet from Felicia mentioning some gamers trying to save their game makes her tear up.

I suppose that can be considered supporting but in the faintest sense i guess.


But maybe before hitting the mainstream, maybe that EGM article should try and hit their own site's Top 10 stories of the day first.


 

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Well that is true enough EL but, if this does get to the mainstream press, they will want to do some research and they'll go to the internet and 'lo and behold' there will be all this information out there already telling a different story.
Yea true but they might want to avoid the forums. They might go to the wrong thread and think, "Geesh, those gamers are nutcases! Good god! Maybe it's a good thing NCSoft is closing it down." But that is basically a best case scenario but more than likely as you said below will happen instead here:


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The sad truth is that this will probably never get to the mainstream press.

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As you say, it's just not a big enough story what with all of the bigger events going on in the world. This is likely to remain a localized story but, the important thing to remember is that the people who are paying attention to this are the very people that NCSoft would like to have as paying customers.

It may be hard to tell but how many copies of GW2 have not been sold because of this? How many people will not buy Blade and Soul because of this? How many people will not play Wildstar because of this? .
Maybe it's me, but it looks like they are already dumping us as customers. They might even be looking for a reason to leave the American market completely such as closing down the american version of GW2 when it close "due to slipping sales". They might just trying to prove how the American market is not ready for anything but WoW like games. But how many wont play because of this? Hard to say but I guess about the same amount that wouldnt have played this game due to closing TB, Auto Assault, and the others. The reputation they had before is the same one they had now. I doubt it will get any worse. Sure there will be noise, and stuff but when it dies down, some people will slink back. Just as some people sworn off NCSoft when Tabula Rasa or however you spell it happened, yet many of those ex-players are here again under NCSoft. Many people here knew about NCSoft reputation and their shady practices, as they call it now, with the Garrett thing, yet, here they are again giving NCsoft money. I think the same thing will happen after this game is done. If it was the first time out the blue that NCSoft did something liek this, then yeah, it would have probably killed their rep and that would be the end of it but they only been doing what they always have been doing.


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Negative press is always negative press despite what PT Barnum might have said and it takes a long time for companies to win back customers. If NCSoft had any chance of damage of damage control, they should have gotten to it long ago. Staying silent just reinforces the image that they just don't care. And how many people really want to buy something from a company that just doesn't care about what they sell?
yes this is true. That why it's also important to look at a companies reputation prior to buying and bail if that company reputation is not up to snuff unless their past actions dont bother you. It's the player's folly to think it would never happen to them especially when they did it about 4-6 times already. Of course we missed that boat now and here we are. So if they are truely serious about not giving NCSoft anymore money, and affecting anything, then they must stick to the guns and regardless of what game or bait they make even if it's COX2 and bigger and better, dont deal with NCSoft. Or else, why would NCSoft change if all they have to do is hold out a piece of bacon to get those lost customers and new ones back and then take it away again when ever they feel like it then repeat process. Right now, after pulling this stunt 5 times already or 6 or 4 or up to 7 depending who is asked, and succeeding with it, then why would they change? Now if they pull this and players are serious, then maybe they should just take this lump for being blind to the facts of the past and then leave NCSoft alone and not give them a single dime in any shape form or fashion. If anything can be taken from this is that with NCSoft, no one is immune not even COX as it once thought it was.

Then again, consumers buy many products from corporations that dont give hoot about what they sell and who they sell to. Ever try calling a customer service line and if you go to sales, you are talking to someone within a minute and sometimes even seconds. Then call the line for complaints then you are on hold for half hour up to a few hours and usually they either cant help you because they havent been given the tools to help or they play the transfer game. But not in sales, boy, they always have the best deals for you.


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Mainstream media researching into this situation may tell a different story but it might not be what SaveCoH wants.

So far many of the movement's arguments for saving seems to be based on rumors, hearsay, 2nd-hand or misleading information and inaccurate representation of finances.

There's also some suggestions, think it was Mercedes Lackey, to see if they can use a scientific angle via anecdotal evidence from their other posters that CoH can help in therapy of autism and other ailments as reason to save the game.

And the writer of that article mentions Felicia Day and Neil Gaiman are in support of SaveCoH but i've only seen a retweet from Gaiman by request of SaveCoH and another tweet from Felicia mentioning some gamers trying to save their game makes her tear up.

I suppose that can be considered supporting but in the faintest sense i guess.


But maybe before hitting the mainstream, maybe that EGM article should try and hit their own site's Top 10 stories of the day first.
yeah.


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Considering how Save CoH is in bed with the illegal reverse engineering effort, I can't imagine why NCSoft would refuse to talk to them... Gee. Total puzzler.

Does this "journalist" actually do any reporting or is it all copy-paste from Save CoH?

I think to call yourself a member of the press, you actually have to do at least a little work on your own.


 

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Considering how Save CoH is in bed with the illegal reverse engineering effort, I can't imagine why NCSoft would refuse to talk to them... Gee. Total puzzler.
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Especially this.


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I have never been able to work out why people refer to Tabula Rasa as TB.... >.<


 

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Mainstream media researching into this situation...
Everyone understands the gist of the article, but some people seem to be missing the point of my OP. See, I don't think NCSoft will ever be sorry for what they've done to City of Heroes and Paragon Studios. THAT'S THE PUNCHLINE. It was a punch in the gut when it really hit me and then I really had to accept it. My post represents all you can do: make fun of them for being doodooheads.

All we can do now is live our lives, and maybe allow some of our characters to do so, too. I have a feeling Captain-Electric won't stop fighting injustice just because NCSoft ate their alignment token. Just doesn't seem like him. Or me. That means never forgetting what happened here between August 31 and November 30, 2012. As we live our lives, gamers talk to each other.

Some pretend scenario involving mainstream media wouldn't ever happen, or even be required, so warning us how bad it would work out for us doesn't merit the debate it's gotten on these forums. Gamers read gaming media and public relations traction and reporting via those outlets are all we ever needed. World of Warcraft's millions-strong player base could make the mainstream press work for them. The rest of us are up the creek. It's not a conversation that's ever been worth having.

Gaming media have been stonewalled from the starting line. Even the most forgiving gamers don't take that sort of thing very well, and will pass the knowledge of this event, and of NCSoft's handling of it, on to their friends for many years to come. Gamers who write for the gaming media will use NCSoft's handling of this situation anecdotally for years. Flow charts and related arguments are immaterial. The real conversation has always been about the way this went down.


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Gaming media have been stonewalled from the starting line. Even the most forgiving gamers don't take that sort of thing very well, and will pass the knowledge of this event, and of NCSoft's handling of it, on to their friends for many years to come. Gamers who write for the gaming media will use NCSoft's handling of this situation anecdotally for years. Flow charts and related arguments are immaterial. The real conversation has always been about the way this went down.
Well not sure if expecting a business who's view is one of looking out for their overall company's interests and to be sorry for it, is all that realistic.

And using the situation anecdotally in future conversations may not be as damaging as you might expect once the fervor fades away. Auto Assault and SWG had save the game campaigns also and is still known by many gamers but the gaming world still progresses as usual.

The closing of Tabula Rasa even had a legal scandal associated with it and it doesn't seem to phase the overall gaming public that number in the millions since the smaller group comprised of mere thousands that were directly affected was overshadowed by them.

And i'm not sure how credible people would view many of those anecdotes anyway since over time, people misremember them. I mean, people use anecdotes like the shuttering of SWG was because of LucasArts favored SWTOR over them and that's not true, or the forgery letter by Garriot which is technically not true.

When people misremember facts they use to press forward their agenda, they lose credibility and thereby losing some of the punch they wanted to achieve and may not be taken seriously as a consequence.


 

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Well not sure if expecting a business who's view is one of looking out for their overall company's interests and to be sorry for it, is all that realistic.
This is completely the opposite of what I described--an expectation that NCSoft will never be sorry for any of this.

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And using the situation anecdotally in future conversations may not be as damaging as you might expect once the fervor fades away.
This is completely the opposite of what I described--an NCSoft that is too big to care whether some City of Heroes fans and supporters will vote with their wallets.

I stopped there. I didn't read the rest of your post, because you're not having the same conversation. If you want to set up arguments to then reply to, you don't need me here for that.

You're painting me as someone who's planning to make them sorry, somehow. Did you read the pretend conversation in the OP between my character and NCSoft? Does it end with Cap scheming for vengeance and blood? Or does it end with Cap simply hanging up on NCSoft? I'm taking my money and memories, friendships and dignity...and with a slow, sad shake of his head, Captain-Electric will soon have to fly away to live his life, doing what he does (fighting crime). NCSoft can't take the super hero out of Captain.

After the noise dies, after the gaming press spotlight fades away from #SaveCOH, there will still be Captain-Electric, out there somewhere, fighting crime. And he'll never forget Paragon City. I'll never retcon it out of his life and history. There's not much I can do to this cosmic threat of NCSoft in Cap's life except for part ways, but that doesn't mean I can't call them doodooheads.

You can argue with me all you want about how it's not going to achieve anything big. I'm still calling them doodooheads. And I'm going to tell friends why I think they're doodooheads. And I'm pretty sure some gaming media will continue to pass it around, too. Thank you very much, and good day to you, sir.


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I don't think this will be forgotten by many.
For the record, SOE butchering SWG in 2005 has not been forgotten (by players and by companies). That was a situation in mmorpg history that became a bulletpoint lesson for companies running these games.

The lessons of the paying customers come a bit slower, as we're rather fractured (within communities as well as between the many games out there) and we're the ones simply looking for our fixes of fun. Customers have struggles that exist, unending, elsewhere and they come to games for enjoyment, release of stress and freedom from everyday hassles... However, recurring negative scenarios and cold practices seemingly follow these customers around and it adds up. Then again, perhaps that is why subscription services may be fading away from the genre. The wary customers are "fickle" and, instead of supplying quality, care and concern, the business path of choice is to make an attractive welcome via lack of financial commitment.
Of course, all of this is really besides the Captain's topic.
Other than that he is not alone and many will not forget and NCSoft are, indeed, clearly "doodooheads".

What is most sad is that this particular development studio and game was greatly focused on not being such cold-hearted, uncaring, unfun monsters of business.
And, even though that aspect was a great attraction, provided great loyalty and maintained profitability, the business "savvy" would likely claim that this very nature was likely the cause of why the game needed to be shut down.
That's what happens when the perpetrators provide their own analysis.


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Especially this.
Except for the part where they weren't talking even BEFORE that took place. So yeah, no dice there haus.


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You're painting me as someone who's planning to make them sorry, somehow.
Hmm, i didn't think my reply was arguing with you...maybe i didn't word it properly. It was sort of a lead in to describing the impact of disgruntled players of past games on the industry/companies today.

As for painting you as someone on a vengeful mission against NCSoft, well i think statements from you like the following does that to some extent.


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I'm still calling them doodooheads. And I'm going to tell friends why I think they're doodooheads. And I'm pretty sure some gaming media will continue to pass it around, too.


 

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I for one still haven't picked up GW2 and I don't plan on it.


 

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Except for the part where they weren't talking even BEFORE that took place. So yeah, no dice there haus.
And so a person saying they are going to bootleg their stuff is suppose to get them talking?

I'm talking within the context of them not responding to te request of that article, which the talks of reverse engineering was very soon after the Aug. 31st announcement. Even outside the context of this article, still there wasnt much time for them to reply. Corporations dont jump through hoops because a few players demand it. And sure as hell isnt going to do it when many talk about doing illegal stuff with their property. But as I said, I'm talking within the time period of this article. You assume too much. so no dice for you actually.


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