I'm mad as hell and not going to take it anymore!


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The game isn't done yet.
If you have knowledge to impart, by all means impart it. Please.


 

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The game isn't doen yet.
Will you be able to log in and play on December 1st?
That, GG.

Although, you didn't specify which year, Bill, so technically, GG could just be all Magic 8 Ball like and say "Undobutedly" or "Signs point to Yes" or such, and be kinda sorta mostly right, in a "Ghost of Obi-Wan" sorta way...

Mike


August 31, 2012. A Day that will Live in Infamy. Or Information. Possibly Influence. Well, Inf, anyway. Thank you, Paragon Studios, for what you did, and the enjoyment and camaraderie you brought.
This is houtex, aka Mike, signing off the forums. G'night all. - 10/26/2012
Well... perhaps I was premature about that whole 'signing off' thing... - 11-9-2012

 

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I'd definitely classify this one as rage. Is this stage 2?
The original post? Yeah, anger. Though there is a little overlap into bargaining.

Personally, I think I was close (if not fully) into acceptance when I first responded.




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I'll avoid the lag fest and do some solo stuff, maybe a TF or two.


 

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Seems the idea of my original post was lost. I am not, nor have I been mad at any point.... about CoX getting cancelled. I am mad that everyone has given up playing and are resigned to ********.

If you have given up on the game.... fine, just get lost.

Why ruin the fun for those of us that will continue playing until the end? Golden Girl is right. The game is not done yet... at least for us. We have 2 full months.

Soooooo......

Now that the analysis is over Mr. Spock.... how about a task force?


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I'll do trials. New BZB isn't T4ed yet. Beyond that, nah, I'll be soloin DA arcs because I love the constant soul crushing disappointment that comes from common and astral drops.... once a day.


Be well, people of CoH.

 

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Not to be a smart-***, but there's very little that can be done. Unless you have a job or clout that would help in this situation.

I actually think some of this is very unhealthy. No one, that I've seen, has really talked about it-- but depending too much on an online game is just not healthy.




Sure, I was a little sad the day I heard the news....for a few days out.....however, I got over it. I knew one day I'd no longer play-- whether by my own "boredom" or the game being shut down. I think it was on a great path (finally living up to what I thought it always could be)....but, the funding was lost.

You have to move on and deal.



I personally always knew whatever I did in game was for my "enjoyment" and nothing would last forever. I had a choice in life: I could go back to school and work my butt off and get an awesome degree while playing CoH when I could....or just play CoH and become the person with one of every character, all purpled out, etc.

I chose to balance my life. Now that CoH is gone, I'm doing great in my field and heading to grad school in infectious diseases.....I knew that infectious diseases would be there when the game was shut down.

I had to sacrifice a LOT to get through my degree-- wasn't handed anything. My computer, UNEXPECTEDLY!, blew up after my first year back and i couldn't afford to replace it....and the last 4 years, I haven't been able to play CoH regularly. For 3 of those years, I couldn't play CoH at all. Only since I moved in with my roomie have I been able to use the computer, when he wasn't, to play CoH....so I was back in a limited capacity to see all the new stuff. Ya know what, as of Nov 30th? It doesn't matter what I missed or I would have gained if I had played all the way through. My degree still matters after Nov 30th. Life always has to be analyzed this way, you have to see what's important and what matters.




If you are a person of clout or with the ability to help, sure....go for it. If the game is saved, that's great! If it's not, I move on. It was fun. No matter how much I "wish it to be" one way or another, my wishes mean nothing. If it's here, great...if it's not, goodbye.

I don't see how putting a lot of energy into this makes a bit of difference....how hating those that have an easier time with this makes any difference at all.

I have no useful-online-game-saving skills....nor the money to help. Those that do, go crazy. I hope it works out for you, but, we all know it may not...even with all the effort.




Putting this into perspective (1= someone ate my PB&J sandwich and I have to make another, 10 = Asia-sized-asteroid hurtling towards earth) I'd have to say this ranks pretty low.

Would I like it to continue (with all the new powersets, revamps, costumes, etc. still coming in often.) Yes! But.....there's nothing I can do otherwise.

And I feel to cling in such a way is not very healthy at all.

Though, this is coming from someone who was literally addicted to his first online game: EverCrack. I had to completely re-align my views about online gaming and fix "me" before I could ever play another online game. This is where i get the sense of being able to keep myself in perspective....lose yourself in a game (which is easy to do) and you are throwing away your life.




Someone in this post said something about feeling like being "trapped" by the decision that was made to end the game.

There's so many actual pressing things in life that should make people feel trapped.....wages, jobs, the recession. The vice grip the wealthy and corrupt have on our nation. Things like this should be the things we concern ourselves with.



So, as an alternative view to the people that hope against hope....and tell others to hope. There's this view. You had fun playing, that is what mattered. You have to balance your life....some people have fun at the bars....some do it online....but it's all in balance. This may go away, but who's to say another online game might not take it's place? Or perhaps, you learn to compensate by being more social than you already are...which is NOT a bad thing.


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Originally Posted by Mr_True_Shot View Post
Not to be a smart-***, but there's very little that can be done. Unless you have a job or clout that would help in this situation.

I actually think some of this is very unhealthy. No one, that I've seen, has really talked about it-- but depending too much on an online game is just not healthy.




Sure, I was a little sad the day I heard the news....for a few days out.....however, I got over it. I knew one day I'd no longer play-- whether by my own "boredom" or the game being shut down. I think it was on a great path (finally living up to what I thought it always could be)....but, the funding was lost.

You have to move on and deal.



I personally always knew whatever I did in game was for my "enjoyment" and nothing would last forever. I had a choice in life: I could go back to school and work my butt off and get an awesome degree while playing CoH when I could....or just play CoH and become the person with one of every character, all purpled out, etc.

I chose to balance my life. Now that CoH is gone, I'm doing great in my field and heading to grad school in infectious diseases.....I knew that infectious diseases would be there when the game was shut down.

I had to sacrifice a LOT to get through my degree-- wasn't handed anything. My computer, UNEXPECTEDLY!, blew up after my first year back and i couldn't afford to replace it....and the last 4 years, I haven't been able to play CoH regularly. For 3 of those years, I couldn't play CoH at all. Only since I moved in with my roomie have I been able to use the computer, when he wasn't, to play CoH....so I was back in a limited capacity to see all the new stuff. Ya know what, as of Nov 30th? It doesn't matter what I missed or I would have gained if I had played all the way through. My degree still matters after Nov 30th. Life always has to be analyzed this way, you have to see what's important and what matters.




If you are a person of clout or with the ability to help, sure....go for it. If the game is saved, that's great! If it's not, I move on. It was fun. No matter how much I "wish it to be" one way or another, my wishes mean nothing. If it's here, great...if it's not, goodbye.

I don't see how putting a lot of energy into this makes a bit of difference....how hating those that have an easier time with this makes any difference at all.

I have no useful-online-game-saving skills....nor the money to help. Those that do, go crazy. I hope it works out for you, but, we all know it may not...even with all the effort.




Putting this into perspective (1= someone ate my PB&J sandwich and I have to make another, 10 = Asia-sized-asteroid hurtling towards earth) I'd have to say this ranks pretty low.

Would I like it to continue (with all the new powersets, revamps, costumes, etc. still coming in often.) Yes! But.....there's nothing I can do otherwise.

And I feel to cling in such a way is not very healthy at all.

Though, this is coming from someone who was literally addicted to his first online game: EverCrack. I had to completely re-align my views about online gaming and fix "me" before I could ever play another online game. This is where i get the sense of being able to keep myself in perspective....lose yourself in a game (which is easy to do) and you are throwing away your life.




Someone in this post said something about feeling like being "trapped" by the decision that was made to end the game.

There's so many actual pressing things in life that should make people feel trapped.....wages, jobs, the recession. The vice grip the wealthy and corrupt have on our nation. Things like this should be the things we concern ourselves with.



So, as an alternative view to the people that hope against hope....and tell others to hope. There's this view. You had fun playing, that is what mattered. You have to balance your life....some people have fun at the bars....some do it online....but it's all in balance. This may go away, but who's to say another online game might not take it's place? Or perhaps, you learn to compensate by being more social than you already are...which is NOT a bad thing.
<----This.


Only if I had a way of putting this into a signature. Exactly what I been trying to say all along but guess not as eloquent. Or too early.


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I'm still at the stage where I start sobbing if I watch one of Angelus Animi's tribute videos...I can't seem to wrap my mind around this wonderful addition to my life closing.
If it does, I will fade out with my little Healix, my first hero, in Atlas where it all started.


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I've already started to bring all my characters 'home' to Atlas Park, where they started out.

Whilst I am hoping for good news regarding a buyer for the game IP, I'm also being realistic.....


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Hero 50's - 25

Villain 50's - 1

 

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I actually think some of this is very unhealthy. No one, that I've seen, has really talked about it-- but depending too much on an online game is just not healthy.
Very true, over dependence on a game is unhealthy - it's called addiction. But you don't have to be addicted to something for it to have meaning or be important to you.

I've read a great many posts over the past 3 weeks both here and over at the Titan forums, and one phrase has stuck firmly in my mind. I don't recall who said it, or in which forum, but the phrase was this :

"To call City of Heroes 'just a game' is the same as saying a family is 'just a group of people'."

People invest a lot of themselves in any hobby or pastime, and if that hobby or pastime is threatened, people will react. Firsthand, I've seen ramblers chain themselves to gates and sit for hours in pouring rain to protest at the closure of a cherished footpath. I've seen angry crowds picketing a football stadium that was threatened with closure (along with termination of the football club). I've even seen mothers carrying toddlers on their shoulders and marching down the high street to protest against the closing of a children's library.

None of those things could be deemed to be 'important' in the big scheme of things - hiking? Sports? Children's books? Why kick up a fuss over things like that?

Because people have feelings. That's what it is to be human. We have emotions, we get attached to things. Other people, pets, sports...virtual worlds...

And remember, the closure of City of Heroes is not simply the switching off of a virtual world of pixellated streets and animated characters, it's also the potential destruction of a community - a community every bit as real as any you might encounter in the material world.

'Community' is not something you can put a price on, or quantify - it's a synergistic entity that transcends such limited descriptions. There is one thing you can say for certain about the CoH community though - its hub, its anchor, is the game itself. And that is what a lot of people are angry/scared/sad about.

It's very easy to say "move on" or "get over it" - but would you say that to those marching mothers? The ones afraid of losing their friendly mother & toddler community along with the library that housed it? It wasn't an addiction to the books that drove them to march in protest - sometimes there's a much wider issue at stake.


 

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I've already started to bring all my characters 'home' to Atlas Park, where they started out.

Whilst I am hoping for good news regarding a buyer for the game IP, I'm also being realistic.....
My older characters almost always started in Galaxy City. Somehow the Echo just isn't the same.


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Not give up hope.

October 12th 2012, please wait for this day.


Soon�

 

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Not give up hope.

October 12th, please wait for this day.
Which year/centuary/millenium will we be waiting till?


 

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It might (or might not) be worth noting that the phrase "I'm as mad as hell and not going to take it anymore" is sort of double-edged. It's a famous quote from the 1970s movie Network, where a possible implication is that the speaker is buying into a corporate message that is loud but ultimately hollow; anger as entertainment, basically. I understand the feeling the OP is talking about, there just may be a phrase that has less baggage that could be used.

The movie clip is below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qgVn-Op7Q


 

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My older characters almost always started in Galaxy City. Somehow the Echo just isn't the same.
That's unfortunate.

I have to say that I questioned the wisdom of using Galaxy City as the new tutorial at the time, and to be honest I still do.

It was a great zone, and it was a shame to essentially ruin it in the way they did.


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It might (or might not) be worth noting that the phrase "I'm as mad as hell and not going to take it anymore" is sort of double-edged. It's a famous quote from the 1970s movie Network, where a possible implication is that the speaker is buying into a corporate message that is loud but ultimately hollow; anger as entertainment, basically. I understand the feeling the OP is talking about, there just may be a phrase that has less baggage that could be used.

The movie clip is below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_qgVn-Op7Q
I think you misunderstood the point of the movie. The news anchor from Network had legitimate anger at first, when he did his "I'm mad!" spiel. It was only after the network noted the ratings bounce that the anchor was co-opted into a corporate agenda.

Which is funny, if you think about it. All the cries of "I'm mad!" from the player base ultimately serves the continuance of a corporate agenda, i.e. giving money to a corporation for entertainment - despite the fact that not a soul among us is angry because the company itself is in a poor position. We have been co-opted. Sad, really.


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This is really doom.

 

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I think you misunderstood the point of the movie. The news anchor from Network had legitimate anger at first, when he did his "I'm mad!" spiel. It was only after the network noted the ratings bounce that the anchor was co-opted into a corporate agenda.

I don't think I misunderstood it. The (deranged but from the movie's POV somewhat prophetic) Howard Beale character might have been earnest when he said it, but the people repeating it are invested in it a hollow way he doesn't comprehend at first. It's entertainment to them. Not just entertainment in the sense that they enjoy watching the news anchor carry on, but in bringing that POV into their lives and echoing the line and mentality. The message was co-opted from the start because the television audience doesn't understand it; it's implied that the meaning is lost on them because they've stopped thinking for themselves and their anger is a form of parroting and ingratiating themselves to a mass media product. That's why I said the phrase has a possible double-edged connotation.

There are other possible interpretations, but overall I don't feel that Network has sympathic POV regarding the television audience. I think a big point of the movie is an indictment of audience laziness and gullibility, as evidenced by their repeating of the "I'm as mad as hell..." line.


 

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I haven't seen it in a while. Perhaps you're right, I don't quite recall how the audience played in.


Doom.

Yep.

This is really doom.

 

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Very true, over dependence on a game is unhealthy - it's called addiction. But you don't have to be addicted to something for it to have meaning or be important to you.

I've read a great many posts over the past 3 weeks both here and over at the Titan forums, and one phrase has stuck firmly in my mind. I don't recall who said it, or in which forum, but the phrase was this :

"To call City of Heroes 'just a game' is the same as saying a family is 'just a group of people'."

People invest a lot of themselves in any hobby or pastime, and if that hobby or pastime is threatened, people will react. Firsthand, I've seen ramblers chain themselves to gates and sit for hours in pouring rain to protest at the closure of a cherished footpath. I've seen angry crowds picketing a football stadium that was threatened with closure (along with termination of the football club). I've even seen mothers carrying toddlers on their shoulders and marching down the high street to protest against the closing of a children's library.

None of those things could be deemed to be 'important' in the big scheme of things - hiking? Sports? Children's books? Why kick up a fuss over things like that?

Because people have feelings. That's what it is to be human. We have emotions, we get attached to things. Other people, pets, sports...virtual worlds...

And remember, the closure of City of Heroes is not simply the switching off of a virtual world of pixellated streets and animated characters, it's also the potential destruction of a community - a community every bit as real as any you might encounter in the material world.

'Community' is not something you can put a price on, or quantify - it's a synergistic entity that transcends such limited descriptions. There is one thing you can say for certain about the CoH community though - its hub, its anchor, is the game itself. And that is what a lot of people are angry/scared/sad about.

It's very easy to say "move on" or "get over it" - but would you say that to those marching mothers? The ones afraid of losing their friendly mother & toddler community along with the library that housed it? It wasn't an addiction to the books that drove them to march in protest - sometimes there's a much wider issue at stake.
That's kind of deep.


Yet, family is just group of people to me. They die, they die we bury them in two weeks it's like they never died. I guess I'm not emotional like that. Favorite car breaks, I go buy another. TV show get canceled, I watch another. Someone falls ill/injured, I send them a card, may visit them in the hospital if I have time, and when they well it's normal again. They stop making my favorite food/product, I eat other stuff.

One thing I can appreciate is people do standing up what they care for as in itself it answers the question and logic behind, Why didnt they protest when the children library two neighborhoods over got shutdown but since it is their library they act like they care about all libraries. Why are people protesting about one game being shutdown when they didnt blink when other games was being shutdown now they protest as if they are doing it for the whole gaming community. See, people protest what they care for and invest in things that affects them personally. And that is logical enough for reason why people protest one thing but unfazed by the same thing that doesnt affect them. To some this game was like a family, although other games have died to them the other games were about as important as the guy being hacked up with a machete as we speak somewhere in Africa by druglords. No one cares, it doesnt affect them. Some think it would never happen to them. But this game closing touches home for many people and that is reason enough to protest. To me it is just a game, but I joined because there seemed to be enough people with enough sand to protest and fight the odds in the first place and that is rare these days. Too many people just sit back and complain and continue to give money to the entity that ripped them off in the first place and then get mad again when change doesnt happen. If you was giving me 100 a month and I only give you very small back in return and you complain but still continue to give me money, I wouldnt change anything. Why would I? Here, it seems some in the COH is not taking this laying down regardless of the outcome.
Like a rich man who wife dies from a cancer and now all of a sudden he dumps 100 million into the research when if he been giving all along the research wouldnt have been underfunded and his wife could been easily saved.


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Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks."
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I think I'll go out in the zone where I have the most vivid memories when I first started playing in '04.

Perez Park

That place scared me. No kidding. It was scary.

All dark and narrow paths that led from one horde of CoT to vahzilok. All because someone in broadcast shouted something about a 'hydra' being sighted in the middle of the map.
Think of Perez Park as an easter egg more subtle and hard to read than any of the labels applied to the various parts of Paragon City.

"You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike."


"But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses."
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