Is anyone getting the monthly stipend?
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Posted on: 2012-09-08 18:35 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Most companies are large enough to absorb some legal costs to keep from paying one person, because then that would lead to having to pay everyone in a similar fashion, which isn't as cheap for them anymore. You'll run out of money and patience before their legal team does. Get ready to see NCSoft credit toward another game in your future, or Time Cards, especially if you paid with something besides a credit card. There aren't many companies that refund in a way that's different from how you paid, and most would rather give you credit than cash. It doesn't matter about American laws because NCSoft isn't American either.
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Originally Posted by Mazey
You're not very bright are you Forbin?
1. Most companies give in to any small claims legal proceedings immediately. Why? Because the legal costs of fighting it are almost always higher than the actual claim, and companies don't care about fighting things on the "principle" of the matter. 2. Not everyone lives in America with your crappy legal system. |
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Yes, of course they can absorb the costs, but they can also absorb the costs of paying one person.|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Most companies are large enough to absorb some legal costs to keep from paying one person, because then that would lead to having to pay everyone in a similar fashion, which isn't as cheap for them anymore. You'll run out of money and patience before their legal team does.
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"But then loads of other people with get on the band wagon1!!!!!1!!111111!!!!"
Except they won't. We're not talking about a class-action case, we're talking about an individual small claim. Those have a tendency to not get advertised as much. Paying off one person before it even gets to court means you can carry on ripping off everyone else who isn't threatening legal action.
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| It doesn't matter about American laws because NCSoft isn't American either. |
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Yep, I figured that would happen. I had put a new sub payment in just a week or so before. I put a stop on that payment right away.
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Originally Posted by IronLung1169
Sorry to break this to you.No new points. Live market down as of 9-1. Some people have reported that they were able to purchase items, but officially it's down.
I,also, recently read that people are get NCSoft credits for the subscription money owed back to them, rather than real money. Good Time  |
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That works both ways. In nearly any state, the fee to file a small claims matter is more than its worth. And with the venue provision in the EULA it is likely to be dismissed summarily unless you happen to live there.|
Originally Posted by Mazey
1. Most companies give in to any small claims legal proceedings immediately. Why? Because the legal costs of fighting it are almost always higher than the actual claim, and companies don't care about fighting things on the "principle" of the matter.
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| 2. Not everyone lives in America with your crappy legal system. |
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Turning? There's always been disagreement on the forums. That's human.|
Originally Posted by Tater Todd
It's crazy how everyone is turning on each other right near the end.
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On the other hand, there's been quite a number of well known posters that have some sort of dispute with each other choosing to put it aside and work together. Hell, there's several posters that, always without fail, every post of theirs makes me want to throw a brick at their face... and in the past week, not a single one of their posts have made me want to do that (a first in every case!
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
That works both ways. In nearly any state, the fee to file a small claims matter is more than its worth. And with the venue provision in the EULA it is likely to be dismissed summarily unless you happen to live there.
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And even if NCSoft lost the only legal fees they'd have to pay is the fee the plaintiff spent to file the claim.
They aren't going to pay attorney's to fight a lawsuit over $15-$200 bucks. If anyone actually shows up it'll be some local employee with a copy of the EULA and the reimbursement they offered.
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So, another reason I won't feel comfortable doing business with NCSoft. Not only will I not be refunded for time being taken away, but I'll also have points withheld from me that have already been purchased as well.
NCSoft, you could have come out of this looking much better if you'd have practiced some customer service.
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So that would be a way for them to get us to play there new game GW2. By only giving us NCSoft credit for are refund.|
I,also, recently read that people are get NCSoft credits for the subscription money owed back to them, rather than real money. Good Time
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Also I have lots of points and have been able to purchase things from store as recently as the 5th.
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Originally Posted by Kentor1701C
So that would be a way for them to get us to play there new game GW2. By only giving us NCSoft credit for are refund.
Also I have lots of points and have been able to purchase things from store as recently as the 5th. |
When Dungeon Runner's shut down they offered those payed subscribers credit towards City of Heroes.
I guess they were being screwed when they were offered the choice to play this game.
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Wow. I don't know why you're acting like a total *** today, If your reasoning was sound no one would ever are pay for anything in advance as the company could just substitute another product.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Notice how the NCSoft logo is clearly marked on the bottom left corner? Yeah you do that. Please try to get it put on the People's Court or Judge Judy so everyone can enjoy laughing at you as you make a fool of yourself. |
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I've been acting like a total *** for 8 1/2 years. Why should today be any different? And I absolutely love watching small claims court shows and laughing at the plaintiffs and defendants. I don't care who wins or loses they all look like idiots.
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but your behavior doesn't usually approach trollish, as it is now.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I've been acting like a total *** for 8 1/2 years. Why should today be any different? And I absolutely love watching small claims court shows and laughing at the plaintiffs and defendants. I don't care who wins or loses they all look like idiots.
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Yes, they were. If it wasn't what they paid for. If they decided to accept an offer of such, then that's fine. If they didn't, and NCSoft said "OK, sorry, then we're just keeping you're money", then that's beyond lame.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I guess they were being screwed when they were offered the choice to play this game.
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There is no other industry where I would accept that behavior from a vendor of any good or service. If I pay for something and they (a) can't deliver what I paid them to give me and (b) I am unwilling to accept any substitute, then they owe me my money back, prorated based on any goods or services actually provided. The end.
The act of making me an offer of substitute goods does not free them from this debt unless I explicitly accept the offer.
I will not be faced with this issue with CoH, as I paid my subscription on a 3-month cycle which will expire before Nov. 30.
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Kitsune, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Of course there always have been people who disagree with one another on the forums...on ANY forum what I was saying though is that a lot of posters have been more venomous than usual.|
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
Turning? There's always been disagreement on the forums. That's human.
On the other hand, there's been quite a number of well known posters that have some sort of dispute with each other choosing to put it aside and work together. Hell, there's several posters that, always without fail, every post of theirs makes me want to throw a brick at their face... and in the past week, not a single one of their posts have made me want to do that (a first in every case! ).And hey, we also were able to completely fill Virtue, and have 33 Atlas Parks as part of the Unity rally. There were so many people, that we had to overflow to Freedom, and had at least an additional 6 Atlas Parks there. |
It might have something to do with the mods being more hands-off than usual due to obvious circumstances. Or of course everyone being emotional since the game is coming to a close.
We have done well yes but we need to tone down the rage just a tad.
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They're not as hands off as you might think. A couple posts from this very thread have already been removed. Unless the posters themselves did so..
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
Kitsune, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Of course there always have been people who disagree with one another on the forums...on ANY forum what I was saying though is that a lot of posters have been more venomous than usual.
It might have something to do with the mods being more hands-off than usual due to obvious circumstances. We have done well yes but we need to tone down rage just a tad. |
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Originally Posted by LadyPhoenix
They're not as hands off as you might think. A couple posts from this very thread have already been removed. Unless the posters themselves did so..
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Some posters seem to be causing quite a stir.
A question I have, thinking about refunds.
I'm on a Mac. I only have Macs. City of Heroes is the first MMO I've ever played in part because they have a Mac client.
Do any of their other games work on a Mac, or are they Windows only?
Because if they're all Windows only, an account credit is literally, actually worthless to me, because I cannot actually use it for anything.
I would argue (and will argue, should it become necessary) that NCSoft has to pay me cash in these particular circumstances, because their reimbursement is literally without value to me.
And if that fails I'll look into canceling the credit card charges. I'm not sure what effect that will have since I paid once, for a year of service (this would be the first time I've ever had to cancel a charge, actually), but we'll see.
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Good news there is that in many states corporations cannot defend themselves except through a lawyer. So they would have to pay something.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
And even if NCSoft lost the only legal fees they'd have to pay is the fee the plaintiff spent to file the claim.
They aren't going to pay attorney's to fight a lawsuit over $15-$200 bucks. If anyone actually shows up it'll be some local employee with a copy of the EULA and the reimbursement they offered. |
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Are you sure that applies to small claims court? At one point I worked for a small corporation (medical practice) and one of my resposibilities as newest hired employee was showing up at small claims court. And I've never been to law school.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Good news there is that in many states corporations cannot defend themselves except through a lawyer. So they would have to pay something.
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Yeah, I've noticed a couple of offensive threads have been deleted so someone is still moderating the forums.
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Originally Posted by LadyPhoenix
They're not as hands off as you might think. A couple posts from this very thread have already been removed. Unless the posters themselves did so..
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It's not everyone. I have Forbin Project, TwoHeadedBoy and EvilGeko on Ignore, and all I see in this topic is people either agreeing, having a relatively polite conversation or arguing with invisible people.|
Originally Posted by Tater Todd
It's crazy how everyone is turning on each other right near the end.
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Draw your own conclusions - EG is a light troll at best, but FB and THB have a history of posting pointless garbage and turning civil discussions into a reenactment of the first World War. Ignoring FB in particular is easily the best move I ever made for forum readability, he's 100% toxic and only joins topics to insult people or spew xenophobic rants, to the point quite often he's the sole source of antagonism.
Calm down.