i24 /devices 'Cloak' changes
ok, im not bothering to read more. I think I made up my own mind in my OP.
For those that do not understand my issue. Stealth is an out of combat effect. It does not help my blaster at all. If i want to bypass (stealth through) mobs, I just run past them, AI doesn't even shoot at you! The only 'use' stealth might have is to get in close to mobs, then you could fire off a power that takes 20s or so, to activate, without getting attacked. This is a duplication of a POOL power, what is it doing in my BLASTER SECONDARY? The defense in Cloaking device is not real. Again, out of combat! Defense is worthless when nothing is shooting at you. It is currently a power that makes you transparent. This is a PLAYER effect, not an IN-GAME combat affecting ability. It just makes you transparent to yourself, and other PLAYERS. In itself, being hard to see to other players is a DEBUFF. This power as it sits is a debuff to you, that lies and says it is helping you when fighting, that is my issue with this power. |
But hey, if you've made up your mind, then so be it.
ok, im not bothering to read more. I think I made up my own mind in my OP.- (You gave up because your points suck.)
--------------------- devices has been hit with nerfs repeatedly (ED) (You mean that thing that effected everything else in the game?) and NEVER buffed . the SNIPE +acc buff thing in no way makes up for missing BUILD UP + NUKE -(1:Build up is overrated, 2:nukes are a primary powerset issue, And trip mine is a good mini nuke. 3: The snipe buff is significant.))- and having No IN-COMBAT attacks ---(Caltrops, gun drones.)--- /defenses ---(Caltrops, targeting drone, Cloaking device, Trip mines, Gun drones)-- in /devices when all other sets have these things (Give me an example.) |
ok, im not bothering to read more. I think I made up my own mind in my OP.
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Stealth is an out of combat effect. It does not help my blaster at all.
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In itself, being hard to see to other players is a DEBUFF. This power as it sits is a debuff to you, that lies and says it is helping you when fighting, that is my issue with this power.
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as BOYS, you think being transparent like a assassin or something inherently is 'cool'.. and dislike me for bringing this up... well,
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No IN-COMBAT attacks/defenses in /devices when all other sets have these things))
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But even if you do read this, you seem to have made up your mind, and will not be swayed by facts. So be it. To borrow an old adage, there are none so blind as he who will not see.
ok, im not bothering to read more. I think I made up my own mind in my OP.
For those that do not understand my issue. Stealth is an out of combat effect. It does not help my blaster at all. If i want to bypass (stealth through) mobs, I just run past them, AI doesn't even shoot at you! The only 'use' stealth might have is to get in close to mobs, then you could fire off a power that takes 20s or so, to activate, without getting attacked. This is a duplication of a POOL power, what is it doing in my BLASTER SECONDARY? The defense in Cloaking device is not real. Again, out of combat! Defense is worthless when nothing is shooting at you. It is currently a power that makes you transparent. This is a PLAYER effect, not an IN-GAME combat affecting ability. It just makes you transparent to yourself, and other PLAYERS. In itself, being hard to see to other players is a DEBUFF. This power as it sits is a debuff to you, that lies and says it is helping you when fighting, that is my issue with this power. Now why would I even come here and tell you this because as BOYS, you think being transparent like a assassin or something inherently is 'cool'.. and dislike me for bringing this up... well, Synapse is putting the i24 blaster fix (regen + recovery) into every blaster secondary set, for those not hearing this before. (THIS IS IN THE FUTURE! NOT IN GAME NOW). After i24 the blaster fix for /devices is in Cloaking Device! This forces any /devices blaster to take that self-debuff to get the +regen and +recovery. Now I did not sign up to be a stalker, I do not want to be invisible all the time, but if I skip this one power, I become so weak the DEVs say I am not really a blaster anymore, I would be GIMPING myself. No other set is being forced to take a NON-COMBAT power to get this buff. I have 2 OUT OF COMBAT attacks already and 1 OUT OF COMBAT DEFENSE in my secondary, you people that do not play devices can just shut the H E double TOOTHPICKS up. Obviously Synapse does not play a devices blaster. So I am gutting all my purples out, selling them etc, I don't care. These blaster fixes, the snipe, the nuke, those are all for OTHER archtypes more than for a blaster, only this regen/recovery boost is the 'blaster' fix. I know he will put that on the damn cloak. I made up my mind my first character is done. I wonder how long the fun will last for my alts. ((devices has been hit with nerfs repeatedly (ED) and NEVER buffed. the SNIPE +acc buff thing in no way makes up for missing BUILD UP + NUKE and having No IN-COMBAT attacks/defenses in /devices when all other sets have these things)) |
The level of ignorance in this post is truly epic.
If you hate Devices as much as you imply in this post, why did you roll one in the first place?
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
If you hate Devices as much as you imply in this post, why did you roll one in the first place?
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ok, im not bothering to read more. I think I made up my own mind in my OP.
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Stealth is an out of combat effect. It does not help my blaster at all. |
This is a duplication of a POOL power, what is it doing in my BLASTER SECONDARY? The defense in Cloaking device is not real. Again, out of combat! Defense is worthless when nothing is shooting at you. It is currently a power that makes you transparent. This is a PLAYER effect, not an IN-GAME combat affecting ability. |
It just makes you transparent to yourself, and other PLAYERS. In itself, being hard to see to other players is a DEBUFF. This power as it sits is a debuff to you, that lies and says it is helping you when fighting, that is my issue with this power. |
While we're on the subject...i seem to remember quite a few of those afore mentioned /EA players riling themselves into an uproar when the devs made a slight change to Energy Cloak where the transparency visual suppressed while in combat. Apparently...a lot of people actually DO like being see-through.
Now why would I even come here and tell you this because as BOYS, you think being transparent like a assassin or something inherently is 'cool'.. and dislike me for bringing this up... |
Secondly...for me it was never so much of the "coolness" of being transparent (and let's face it...i'm a guy...i'm already pretty transparent) as much as it was FITTING. You don't see the Invisible Woman walking around in broad daylight saying "I'm invisible...you can't see me.", do you? Nnnnooope! She's actually (gasp) INVISIBLE! That is how almost ALL stealth powers in this game (and frankly...many, MANY others) are portrayed. You're transluscent/transparent. One exception to this would be Super Speed...but that makes sense thematically as well. You zip by so fast that stuff is kinda like "wtf was THAT?"
Oh...and we don't particularly dislike you because you bring it up...we just think your a dunce because even when given statements and evidence that states the contrary to your claims...you STILL hold firm to your own self-proclaimed conclusions and that everyone else is out to get you...or...something.
Synapse is putting the i24 blaster fix (regen + recovery) into every blaster secondary set, for those not hearing this before. (THIS IS IN THE FUTURE! NOT IN GAME NOW). After i24 the blaster fix for /devices is in Cloaking Device! This forces any /devices blaster to take that self-debuff to get the +regen and +recovery. Now I did not sign up to be a stalker, I do not want to be invisible all the time, but if I skip this one power, I become so weak the DEVs say I am not really a blaster anymore, I would be GIMPING myself. No other set is being forced to take a NON-COMBAT power to get this buff. I have 2 OUT OF COMBAT attacks already and 1 OUT OF COMBAT DEFENSE in my secondary, you people that do not play devices can just shut the H E double TOOTHPICKS up. Obviously Synapse does not play a devices blaster. |
But I suppose that I will also echo that CD does have DEFENSE while IN COMBAT. Minimal as it may well be...IT IS THERE. And as anyone that is scratching for +defense numbers via IO's will tell you...EVERY PERCENTAGE POINT COUNTS! This one detail in and of itself negates your claim that this is a NON COMBAT POWER!
Mmmmmmmmoving on!
So I am gutting all my purples out, selling them etc, I don't care. These blaster fixes, the snipe, the nuke, those are all for OTHER archtypes more than for a blaster, only this regen/recovery boost is the 'blaster' fix. I know he will put that on the damn cloak. I made up my mind my first character is done. I wonder how long the fun will last for my alts. |
((devices has been hit with nerfs repeatedly (ED) and NEVER buffed. the SNIPE +acc buff thing in no way makes up for missing BUILD UP + NUKE and having No IN-COMBAT attacks/defenses in /devices when all other sets have these things)) |
And now that I have finally made it to the end of your seemingly endless rantings of WRONG...let me just say one last thing. If you wanted a blaster secondary power set of IN COMBAT ATTACKS...you SERIOUSLY picked the wrong secondary. /Devices has never had, nor most likely never WILL have these things UNLESS they devz were to DRAMATICALLY OVERHAUL a fairly SIGNIFIGANT portion of the ENTIRE set (you know...typing all the capital letters is kinda fun. I should really do this more often. Is that why you do it?)
Of course...my saying all of this is ultimately pointless as you're not going to bother reading this anymore. But honestly...why did you bother to even MAKE (yay! I did it again!) this thread if you were just gonna throw a hissy-fit temper tantrum simply because everyone here did not bend to your will and jump aboard your delusional band-wagon and storm the dev's office with pitchforks, torches, and picket signs that read "This chick is crazy...but yeah...what she said!" and begin DEMANDING that they do...whatever the heck it was you were trying to lobby for.
....Eh...whatevz. I'm done.
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devices has been hit with nerfs repeatedly (ED) and NEVER buffed |
Devices has been nerfed exactly TWICE.
-Once was ED, which screwed everyone. Saying Devices was the target of ED is just.....wrong.
-The second was actually a fix. Smoke Grenade had a decimal point in the wrong place and was giving everything it hit a 50% to-hit debuff. Blasters having ONE power that effectively gave them more defense than an SR Scrapper's entire secondary with no non-positional/psionic hole was more than a little overpowered.
That is the entirety of the "nerfs" to Devices. One was a global nerf that affected everyone, the other was a fix to an accidentally broken as all hell power.
Now, buffs.
-Taser used to be a melee range stun that dealt negligible damage. Now it is a ranged stun that deals negligible damage. A nice buff for a set that specializes in remaining at range.
-Gun Drone used to be called Auto Turret, and was completely immobile. It also took forever and a week to cast, and now it has an instant cast time (which I actually didn't know, haven't played my /Devices blaster in a while).
-The devs have also mentioned "something cool" being planned for Time Bomb. They haven't mentioned exactly what yet, but they've had a pretty good track record with power buffs lately, so I'm looking forward to it.
-It is a very specific buff, but Targeting Drone adds damage to Sniper Rifle. I'm in favor of that damage bonus being spread to the other snipes as well.
Oh, and as far as Cloaking Device being an "out of combat power":
-When I play my Sonic/Devices I can attack one target and have other targets not notice that I did so.
-I can lay a Trip Mine in the middle of a spawn with impunity, thanks to Cloaking Device and the Stealth IO I have in Hover.
-I get as much defense from Cloaking Device when it is suppressed as I do from Hover. When chasing the soft-cap that 2% is very valuable.
Yeah, too bad none of those things are useful while I'm fighting things. Gee, I wish Cloaking Device had some kind of application in combat.
The best part? Since Cloaking Device is part of my secondary, I don't have to waste a power pool choice to get one power out of an otherwise useless pool. I can have stealth and I can still have 4 power pool choices.
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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I was going to address this earlier, but didn't have a chance to.
Devices has been nerfed exactly TWICE. -Once was ED, which screwed everyone. Saying Devices was the target of ED is just.....wrong. -The second was actually a fix. Smoke Grenade had a decimal point in the wrong place and was giving everything it hit a 50% to-hit debuff. Blasters having ONE power that effectively gave them more defense than an SR Scrapper's entire secondary with no non-positional/psionic hole was more than a little overpowered. That is the entirety of the "nerfs" to Devices. One was a global nerf that affected everyone, the other was a fix to an accidentally broken as all hell power. |
But maybe that's just me, self-nerfing my posts with the facts.
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In particular, a lot of people seem to remember more nerfing for their favorite powersets than has actually occurred.
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BTW... didnt the last patch break Accuracy again, for the billionth consecutive time since game launch? (However did THOSE threads stop coming up?)
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I, for one, am also looking forward to the changes to Cloaking Device. I already use it on my AR/Devices toon and the change will be nice.
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I, for one, am also looking forward to the changes to Cloaking Device. I already use it on my AR/Devices toon and the change will be nice.
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In fact, that change and the sniper attack thing prompted me to do something I swore I'd never do: Roll another Devices character.
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Gonna try something here, 'cause I think the OP had some valid points which were obscured by her tendency to overstate things.
What I think she meant to say:
Blasters need the i24 survivability buffs to avoid being underpowered.
I agree with this one
For my /Dev Blaster, this means I must take Cloaking Device or remain underpowered.
This one too.
I especially dislike the transparency effect, because it obscures my costume.
I sorta agree with this one.
I work hard on my costumes, they are a fundamental part of my enjoyment of this game. If I can't see them, that character is 'broken' for me.
I sorta agree with this one. I often solo just so I can clearly see my costume without layers of team buffs all over it.
The power's other effects are not strong enough to make up for the costume issue, as the defense buff is too small when suppressed, and stealth isn't needed for my playstyle.
Don't necessarily agree with this one.
I think it's wrong for the devs to add the needed survivability buffs to a power that is a) not that great to begin with and More importantly b) that obscures my character's costume.
I dunno if this discussion is salvageable, but I think it's worth having.
Gonna try something here, 'cause I think the OP had some valid points which were obscured by her tendency to overstate things.
What I think she meant to say: Blasters need the i24 survivability buffs to avoid being underpowered. I agree with this one For my /Dev Blaster, this means I must take Cloaking Device or remain underpowered. This one too. I especially dislike the transparency effect, because it obscures my costume. I sorta agree with this one. I work hard on my costumes, they are a fundamental part of my enjoyment of this game. If I can't see them, that character is 'broken' for me. I sorta agree with this one. I often solo just so I can clearly see my costume without layers of team buffs all over it. The power's other effects are not strong enough to make up for the costume issue, as the defense buff is too small when suppressed, and stealth isn't needed for my playstyle. Don't necessarily agree with this one. I think it's wrong for the devs to add the needed survivability buffs to a power that is a) not that great to begin with and More importantly b) that obscures my character's costume. I dunno if this discussion is salvageable, but I think it's worth having. |
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Like I said before, the fade of cloaking device could be changed when it's brought over to the new power. They could probably add a No Fade option to it in power customization with little work. With the name change, it would probably be a good idea anyway, as the power is now presented as training based as opposed to technology based. Then everyone could benefit from the power change, and both those who like the fade and don't would have a satisfying option.
Seeing as the power will be a lot harder to skip now the fade can't be as easily avoided by those that don't like the look of it. Since skipping the power now would probably be detrimental it would be nice to add the graphic choice so players can keep their desired character look and feel. It would be just one extra bit of power customization.
More choice can't hurt, eh?
I totally agree with the OP. On my current build I immediately specced out of cloak for this very reason.
Solution:
When stealth is suppressed, stop the transparency effect COMPLETELY. If it means losing those 1.75% or something combat +Def, then so be it!
This way I can easily tell when it is on or off, my team can see me when it is important (in combat) and I can see myself most of the time (in combat). Out of combat I can turn it off to see myself.
Maybe I'm odd, but in combat I'm not admiring my own character or my teammates'. I'm looking at the enemy. Come to think of it, I'm only "concerned" about how my character looks when I'm in a costume contest. Sounds like a lot of 6-slotted narcissism out there.
Granted, character transparency IS the only valid statement the OP made about CD, in as much as, yes, it does make your character transparent.
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I'm looking at the enemy. Come to think of it, I'm only "concerned" about how my character looks when I'm in a costume contest. Sounds like a lot of 6-slotted narcissism out there.
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While this is a very tiny concern, I have occasionally had some trouble picking up an ally's location due to their stealth. When it matters I almost always have used the team window anyway, and with the reticle it is very easy to locate any ally. However, I sometimes just click on their avatar and I can remember a few times where I was spinning my camera looking for someone, rather than using the team window. I tend to think of that as operator error, "Sorry I let you die, I wasn't fast enough finding you," but stealthy allies are ever so slightly harder to pick up that way when playing a buffer. Not anything I would normally think of as an issue though.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
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What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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ok, im not bothering to read more. I think I made up my own mind in my OP.
For those that do not understand my issue.
Stealth is an out of combat effect. It does not help my blaster at all. If i want to bypass (stealth through) mobs, I just run past them, AI doesn't even shoot at you! The only 'use' stealth might have is to get in close to mobs, then you could fire off a power that takes 20s or so, to activate, without getting attacked. This is a duplication of a POOL power, what is it doing in my BLASTER SECONDARY? The defense in Cloaking device is not real. Again, out of combat! Defense is worthless when nothing is shooting at you. It is currently a power that makes you transparent. This is a PLAYER effect, not an IN-GAME combat affecting ability. It just makes you transparent to yourself, and other PLAYERS. In itself, being hard to see to other players is a DEBUFF. This power as it sits is a debuff to you, that lies and says it is helping you when fighting, that is my issue with this power.
Now why would I even come here and tell you this because as BOYS, you think being transparent like a assassin or something inherently is 'cool'.. and dislike me for bringing this up... well,
Synapse is putting the i24 blaster fix (regen + recovery) into every blaster secondary set, for those not hearing this before. (THIS IS IN THE FUTURE! NOT IN GAME NOW). After i24 the blaster fix for /devices is in Cloaking Device! This forces any /devices blaster to take that self-debuff to get the +regen and +recovery. Now I did not sign up to be a stalker, I do not want to be invisible all the time, but if I skip this one power, I become so weak the DEVs say I am not really a blaster anymore, I would be GIMPING myself.
No other set is being forced to take a NON-COMBAT power to get this buff.
I have 2 OUT OF COMBAT attacks already and 1 OUT OF COMBAT DEFENSE in my secondary, you people that do not play devices can just shut the H E double TOOTHPICKS up. Obviously Synapse does not play a devices blaster.
So I am gutting all my purples out, selling them etc, I don't care. These blaster fixes, the snipe, the nuke, those are all for OTHER archtypes more than for a blaster, only this regen/recovery boost is the 'blaster' fix. I know he will put that on the damn cloak. I made up my mind my first character is done. I wonder how long the fun will last for my alts.
((devices has been hit with nerfs repeatedly (ED) and NEVER buffed. the SNIPE +acc buff thing in no way makes up for missing BUILD UP + NUKE and having No IN-COMBAT attacks/defenses in /devices when all other sets have these things))