Whatever Happened to Golden/Silver Age Costume Parts?


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Thanks.

It helped a lot that my early interest in comics developed into an appreciation of film and then film history; a lot of people born in the last forty years wouldn't have even seen the old Republic movie serials, but I was not only lucky enough to track them down, but also actually watch them on my local community television station, including the original Captain Marvel serials, and even a jetpack-style hero in a sub-par one called 'G-Men'.

I always found it interesting that the 1950's had the longest standing influence in comics, right up until DC did their first Crisis series in 1983. But the art influence still had a distinctive Retro Sci-Fi look to it. It's only really been since comic book movies (and arguably as late as the first X-Men film) that the looks of the characters adapted to the cultural influences around it; just look at the last Batman film before the current Nolan trilogy and it's deeply clinging to decades-old looks.

I rather suspect that we'll come full circle and comic book characters will go back to simplistic designs; the recent Tron sequel was all about art deco design with neons and sleek lines which are taken right from the 1930's and 50's.


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Thanks.

It helped a lot that my early interest in comics developed into an appreciation of film and then film history; a lot of people born in the last forty years wouldn't have even seen the old Republic movie serials, but I was not only lucky enough to track them down, but also actually watch them on my local community television station, including the original Captain Marvel serials, and even a jetpack-style hero in a sub-par one called 'G-Men'.

I always found it interesting that the 1950's had the longest standing influence in comics, right up until DC did their first Crisis series in 1983. But the art influence still had a distinctive Retro Sci-Fi look to it. It's only really been since comic book movies (and arguably as late as the first X-Men film) that the looks of the characters adapted to the cultural influences around it; just look at the last Batman film before the current Nolan trilogy and it's deeply clinging to decades-old looks.

I rather suspect that we'll come full circle and comic book characters will go back to simplistic designs; the recent Tron sequel was all about art deco design with neons and sleek lines which are taken right from the 1930's and 50's.


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I think the part I bolded above states exactly why it's not at all just a semantic argument about what is Golden Age vs Silver age.

The clearer folks asking for BOTH eras (cause lets face it, it is TWO eras, and will probably end up being TWO costume sets), the better it will be for the devs to honor the requests.

Not that You Oz have done this, but just saying "we need more super heroey stuff" is vague as hell.

Especially in a genre as diverse as super heroes: you have everything from The Shadow to the segemented armor of the current movie Batman to the home made costumes of some of the characters from the comic "Kick ***".


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My personal wish is that they'd take a "Tour through the ages" approach to Super-hero costume. Every other pack would be a Different age starting from Pulp ON through the modern age and even into "Real Life Superheroes" and Toku heroes. The ones in between would be various other genres.


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To turn sideways a little . . . we could always do like the Huns, and go and stage a hostile take-over of that other super hero MMO and sack their costume department. It may be a less than stellar game, but they do have style.

And now, to wash the filth from my hands for even typing that.


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I'm REALLY late to this whole discussion, and missed the oft referred-to original thread, but I just want add my voice in support of a golden age pack, a silver age pack, and a modern (movie-style) pack. There's enough material (heh) to do three whole distinct packs and I'd buy them all.

I'd be pretty happy if we even got just one of the above sometime this year. Here's hoping...


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Whatever Happened to Golden/Silver Age Costume Parts?

Zwil may not have been able to tell us anything, but I think some of that discussion ended up here.


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Whatever Happened to Golden/Silver Age Costume Parts?

Zwil may not have been able to tell us anything, but I think some of that discussion ended up here.


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Those were announced at the last Player Summit. So, no.


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Those were announced at the last Player Summit. So, no.
Really? I don't remember them.

But, I'd still wager that they were tweaked some. The pure shiny/matte options in particular.


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I rather suspect that we'll come full circle and comic book characters will go back to simplistic designs; the recent Tron sequel was all about art deco design with neons and sleek lines which are taken right from the 1930's and 50's.


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Now you have convinced me to watch the new TRON! (Look up the "All Things Building Art" thread for a long post of my holding forth on how Deco architecture should appear in Paragon City.)


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The new bodysuit is a good step in the right direction - we're getting closer to some new classic superhero costume parts.


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having left for a year and come back it's been my impression that the devs have, if anything gone a bit overboard in "listening to the community" and "giving it what it wants".

The thing is, a community this diverse wants a BUNCH of totally different things, so they find themselves having to prioritize.

To that end, when I look at our costume creator, what do I see?

A HUGE back catalog of stuff that works really, really well for creating silver age looks. And I'm a guy who loves that sleek patterened tights w/cape Silver Age look and would really like MOAR of it.

But it's something the game already does well.
So my guess is it's been bumped down the priority list so they can cover *other* stuff 'the community' wants that isn't as well represented in the current system.


As for Golden Age, yeah that could use more work. But the recent Retro SF Pack was a big step in the right direction.

I don't think it's fair to give the devs guff on this topic- they've been adding TONS of great new stuff to the costume editor lately, and if they haven't gotten around to this or that community request yet I'm betting they will eventually.


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Those were announced at the last Player Summit. So, no.
The conversation had with Noble savage basically ended with him concluding on making parts like those and that was before the most recent player summit.


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A HUGE back catalog of stuff that works really, really well for creating silver age looks. And I'm a guy who loves that sleek patterened tights w/cape Silver Age look and would really like MOAR of it.

But it's something the game already does well.
So my guess is it's been bumped down the priority list so they can cover *other* stuff 'the community' wants that isn't as well represented in the current system.
There are lots of options, but the recent quality of pieces has made them look pretty dated.

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I don't think it's fair to give the devs guff on this topic- they've been adding TONS of great new stuff to the costume editor lately, and if they haven't gotten around to this or that community request yet I'm betting they will eventually.
The quality level of costume bits has climbed markedly. But they have been getting applied to some real niche elements, and overall flexibility of those elements took a hit (pre-tinting). That has gotten better in the last couple of iterations, and I am pleased with what I'm seeing. Heck, some of the costumes and powers coming have drawn me back to playing more. That doesn't meant I can't have high expectations, though.

The piece of this game that really sets it apart, bar none, in the MMO market is the costume creator. It's fair, I think, for it's players and fans to request certain elements and actions related to this feature.

Is it reasonable to expect to get what we want, in the way we each want it every time? No. So, yeah, I'm with you guff is tough to throw around related to that.

I will throw guff though about process and communication, however, because digging your own hole and complaining that the fan base isn't fair, isn't fair either.


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Now you have convinced me to watch the new TRON! (Look up the "All Things Building Art" thread for a long post of my holding forth on how Deco architecture should appear in Paragon City.)
Now you know what most likely inspired the glow tech we're seeing a lot more of in-game. Heck, Marvel did a series of Tron-inspired costumes for a lot of their signature characters....


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There are lots of options, but the recent quality of pieces has made them look pretty dated.
Hardly a problem for Silver or Golden Age looks, which are 'dated' by definition.

I do have a problem mixing some older and newer stuff due to a resolution difference- old hairstyles with new faces, stuff like that looks jarring.

But for the eras under discussion there isn't a lot of fiddly detail involved- tights are tights, patterns are patterns. As noted Golden Age is underrepresented, but we have a pile of great stuff for Silver Age looks.

Is it going to look "dated" next to, say, the Mecha VIP set?
I guess, but they're not the same thing and I don't see that mattering.

I'm on board with wanting more Golden & Silver Age options and expect we'll be getting them at some point. I don't see the point of haranguing the devs just now, as they've been shoveling out long-sought game improvements and additions as fast as their arms can move.


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Hardly a problem for Silver or Golden Age looks, which are 'dated' by definition.

I do have a problem mixing some older and newer stuff due to a resolution difference- old hairstyles with new faces, stuff like that looks jarring.

But for the eras under discussion there isn't a lot of fiddly detail involved- tights are tights, patterns are patterns. As noted Golden Age is underrepresented, but we have a pile of great stuff for Silver Age looks.

Is it going to look "dated" next to, say, the Mecha VIP set?
I guess, but they're not the same thing and I don't see that mattering.

I'm on board with wanting more Golden & Silver Age options and expect we'll be getting them at some point. I don't see the point of haranguing the devs just now, as they've been shoveling out long-sought game improvements and additions as fast as their arms can move.
People just want a bit of deffinition. For instance. Tights in the comics still have a sort of "this is clothes" feel to them. Patent Leather doesn't (to me) have that problem and it's just as old.

Note I'm talking about the leg options here. I find the Patent Leather top to be terrible :/


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Hardly a problem for Silver or Golden Age looks, which are 'dated' by definition.

I do have a problem mixing some older and newer stuff due to a resolution difference- old hairstyles with new faces, stuff like that looks jarring.
That is probably what I mean more than anything. Take the new bodysuit, or the leather armor sets. Put a plain cape with it. The contrast is just unpleasant around the neck.


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I'm on board with wanting more Golden & Silver Age options and expect we'll be getting them at some point. I don't see the point of haranguing the devs just now, as they've been shoveling out long-sought game improvements and additions as fast as their arms can move.
As I said, I pleased with the general direction. I think they can up their game in presentation and communication, though. This whole hullabaloo over the silver/golden for instance never needed to happen.


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Hardly a problem for Silver or Golden Age looks, which are 'dated' by definition.
I'm pretty sure he means graphically dated, not dated in style


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People just want a bit of deffinition. For instance. Tights in the comics still have a sort of "this is clothes" feel to them.
I wouldn't say that's true for all or even most Silver Age styles.

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Patent Leather doesn't (to me) have that problem and it's just as old.

Note I'm talking about the leg options here. I find the Patent Leather top to be terrible :/
I liked the Patent Leather top that said I'm swapping it out for the new zip-up leather bodysuit top and have been replacing it with Defense for a while now..... XD


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I wouldn't say that's true for all or even most Silver Age styles.


I liked the Patent Leather top that said I'm swapping it out for the new zip-up leather bodysuit top and have been replacing it with Defense for a while now..... XD
It looks good on males it looks terrible on females (imo). I probably should of cleared it up.


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I hope we have some updated skin tights, with seams and some definition, like the AWESOME upcoming new tights sets.


 

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Agreed on this. I know this is where David Nakayama was heading in his concepts of base tights designs that you then could do whatever you wanted with. It speaks more to layering than anything else, at least as he spoke about it.

I particularly like the designs being offered with these Bodysuit designs, and with luck that's going to be a design ethic that continues into the future. If it's not a specifically themed set, it'd be nice to work with a creator that has your 'Base' layer (such as these bodysuit designs) that you can then build upon. It's kinda sorta how Champions does layering, but they have a significantly more flexible base creator to work from.

I would like to think that we could see an upgrading or overhauling to the costume creator to allow this also. But I'm very pleased in the meantime that there's an understanding of costumes being more than just patterns and colors. Texturing particularly is going to be key to getting any Golden or Silver Age themed costume parts right and this is a step in the right direction.


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Agreed on this. I know this is where David Nakayama was heading in his concepts of base tights designs that you then could do whatever you wanted with. It speaks more to layering than anything else, at least as he spoke about it.

I particularly like the designs being offered with these Bodysuit designs, and with luck that's going to be a design ethic that continues into the future. If it's not a specifically themed set, it'd be nice to work with a creator that has your 'Base' layer (such as these bodysuit designs) that you can then build upon. It's kinda sorta how Champions does layering, but they have a significantly more flexible base creator to work from.

I would like to think that we could see an upgrading or overhauling to the costume creator to allow this also. But I'm very pleased in the meantime that there's an understanding of costumes being more than just patterns and colors. Texturing particularly is going to be key to getting any Golden or Silver Age themed costume parts right and this is a step in the right direction.


S.
Agreed. Though I think updating the costume creator would be a job of epic proportions.

I disagree with the flexibility of that other game's creator though. I find it very hard to find certain things I KNOW are there.

then again that might be just because I'm more used to other creators, like this game's.


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