The ONE thing you want to know...
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Posted on: 2012-07-16 20:29 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Kederren
Risking flamage here.
My question is: With so much of the player base seeming to be racing to the endgame with their new shinies, why does Lore matter? or, more helpfully/less snarky, how can we make Lore matter more? |
And some people really do care about what happens with the storyline. Like me.
How do we make lore matter more? Set wires up in the devs chairs. Every time they start with the "We don't care bout old, just new new new!" or some ... *item* like the way the Well is presented now, or just get inconsistent, they get shocked until they stop.
Will we get to fight alongside an awakened Talos? I want to know more about Talos.
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If that house had fuel lines connecting to every other house in the world, then it's not inconceivable that if that house burnt down, then a chain reaction would happen resulting in every other house burning down too.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
(2) that makes... no sense at all. It's like saying "There was an arsonist who burned down a house on fifth and main, and because it was an important house, every city in the world burned down." And that comparison wouldn't be hyperbole.
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That's what the well is, except more so. Its power connects to every single human, and the more they achieve, the more it connects to them.
The same is true of the kheldians and their well.
You may not like the lore, and you might find it more palatable if it were explained better or differently, but that doesn't mean it's inconsistent.
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| (3) Given incarnate trials and what Prometheus's group "knows," the whole "captured the well" bit should be... well, moot, unless the devs are suddenly going to de-Incarnate every Kheldian that's reached that level. |
Though, as things stand, nether well has been captured yet in the game's "present".
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| Heck, Khelds should (by that line of thought) be twice as powerful, as they'd have two "wells" to draw from, potentially. |
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| Still... Find some of the Khelds, start the prep-work, and raise a new one to that level. Scaling it down, it's like saying "They've bombed the HQ and killed General Smith" kills any chance of ever having an army ever again... as opposed to promoting a capable officer to take General Smith's place. There might be some chaos immediately after, sure, that's a given. |
Twilight's Son saved himself by switching wells, but we don't know how he did it, or if such a thing could ever be possible on a scale as large as an entire species.
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Originally Posted by Kederren
Risking flamage here.
My question is: With so much of the player base seeming to be racing to the endgame with their new shinies, why does Lore matter? or, more helpfully/less snarky, how can we make Lore matter more? |
And it's not like I haven't TRIED to make players more aware of the lore...
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How the [PANCAKE] do I pronounce Oranbega? I can remember how to spell it because it starts like oran berry, but how do I pronounce the place's name?
Ooh, let's see...
We know the Western Allies had the Dawn Patrol and the First Hero Brigade, the Germans had the Storm Korps, and the Japanese had the Divine Wind Somethingorother. So... what did the Russians have?
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Orangebagel.
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Originally Posted by _Tacitala_
How the [PANCAKE] do I pronounce Oranbega?
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Ore-uhn-BAY-guh|
Originally Posted by _Tacitala_
How the [PANCAKE] do I pronounce Oranbega? I can remember how to spell it because it starts like oran berry, but how do I pronounce the place's name?
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Orangebagel works too.
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Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon
Ooh, let's see...
We know the Western Allies had the Dawn Patrol and the First Hero Brigade, the Germans had the Storm Korps, and the Japanese had the Divine Wind Somethingorother. So... what did the Russians have? |
Michelle
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Dark_Respite's Farewell Video: "One Last Day"
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
What is Prometheus really doing here in Primal Earth?
I ask because the air of 'second agenda' hangs around the giant blue jerk like a burrito fart.
-You ask him for information on how to use the Well against Praetoria; he tells you he won't say a word.
-You ask him for information on the well itself; he tells you that you're asking too many questions.
-You ask him about Battalion; he tells you that all he's willing to say is that Battalion is bad and that you should leave him alone.
-You ask how to further draw power from the Well; he tells you that he won't allow it.
-You tell him that either you HAVE to draw more power or you WILL draw more power; he tells you that you're 'like an impetuous child' and that if you do anything of the sort he'll hunt you down and kill you.
What is he even doing here? Why is he hanging out in Ouro if all he's going to do is badmouth the player's character and tell you nothing but "don't ask or do anything or I'll kill you"?
I have a distinct feeling that Prometheus will become an enemy to the players in a future update.
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And there were the Soviet supers fighting in the Cold War as well. I'm just curious after seeing all those other WW2 superteams and the Soviets don't have any mentioned. I have my own theories and headcanon, it's making its way to T-34's Virtueverse entry.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Not sure about WWII, but following the collapse of the Soviet Union, their first major group was the Valiant Defenders of the Motherland. One of my main characters' brother is currently a member.
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I think the Vincent Ross arc would answer most of the Merulina/Leviathan questions. One of my favorite arcs for lore actually.|
Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
my primary one is, what is the deal with merluna. we know she went silent, where is she now, what is she now, is there a link to the leviathan? bonus points if we learn more about the coralax other than that they are kind a nasty and have hybrid human/coralax slaves. In face, pre merluna going silent, weren't they a more civil race?
the questions about the kheldians would interest me now. they are an entire other species that we dont really know much about their cultures. I'd love to see more fleshed out on them. |
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For my question... Hrm. What ever happened to:
Revelation
Twilight Men
Seraphim
Fear Factor
Killing Crew
They were organiztions/gangs mentioned in the original trailer for CoX from way back when.
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I want to know more about the Orb Weavers section of Arachnos. You get a feeling from the lore that the Orb Weavers were the dominant force in arachnos before Recluse came along, and I always thought that they sounded pretty interesting. Who would choose to transform themselves into a cybernetic spider?
Alternatively, I want to see more about Atlas and Talos. Frankly I'd just like to see one of the big guys show up in a mission.
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It is not merely inconsistent but it makes absolutely no sense on any level when examined closely. It's a great example of an ad hoc attempt to explain things that didn't need explaining and weren't really connected in the first place.
| You may not like the lore, and you might find it more palatable if it were explained better or differently, but that doesn't mean it's inconsistent. |
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Originally Posted by Venture
It is not merely inconsistent but it makes absolutely no sense on any level when examined closely. It's a great example of an ad hoc attempt to explain things that didn't need explaining and weren't really connected in the first place.
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The scariest part of this thread is that I'm agreeing with Venture. Repeatedly. Just need Evilgeko to come in and agree and I think it kicks off the End Times. Besides, as far as I'm concerned, the Well as it stands now = the Midichlorians of COH.
Plus, Mazey, I think your explanation is... off. Then again, I may be thinking of the older (non sentient yet still odd but easily ignored) lore... where Pandora's Box basically collected a little bit of the potential, the rt, etc. and someone went around and reopened it every once in a while, where the Well was... well, something else, certainly not sentient.
I'll also point out that, as far as TS is concerned, he's running from the future 9at th etime of ouro,) from the Coming Storm, whose ships (and here's where I find the lore bit utterly ridiculous) are "powered by" Kheldians - and, again, he's the "last one."
Now, seriously just sit and think about that for a few seconds. We have a species capable of intergalactic travel - the Kheldians. They're *from* someplace outside the Milky Way. Without ships (see the guide and FFM's redname answer to how they travel.) They don't need incarnate power for that any more than we need "incarnate power" to walk down to the store (assuming said store isn't 50 miles away.)
If you toss a rock into the middle of a school of fish, they scatter.
Logically, the Kheldians could "scatter" across *multiple galaxies,* passing the word along. That would make it exceptionally hard, "We have your well!" or not, to wipe out the species.
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Check out my guides link (in the sgnature.) There's one there for the original COH trailer, and some discussion about those - IIRC, Twilight Men = Malta, Fear Factor I *believe* became the Freakshow (or maybe that was killing crew... yeah, have to read it again. |
Originally Posted by bpphantom
I think the Vincent Ross arc would answer most of the Merulina/Leviathan questions. One of my favorite arcs for lore actually.
This. b^^d For my question... Hrm. What ever happened to: Revelation Twilight Men Seraphim Fear Factor Killing Crew They were organiztions/gangs mentioned in the original trailer for CoX from way back when. |
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Being polite to him at the right time draws a rather interesting reaction from Michael. Prometheus also had quite different opinions of Statesman and Recluse. |
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
What is Prometheus really doing here in Primal Earth?
I ask because the air of 'second agenda' hangs around the giant blue jerk like a burrito fart. -You ask him for information on how to use the Well against Praetoria; he tells you he won't say a word. -You ask him for information on the well itself; he tells you that you're asking too many questions. -You ask him about Battalion; he tells you that all he's willing to say is that Battalion is bad and that you should leave him alone. -You ask how to further draw power from the Well; he tells you that he won't allow it. -You tell him that either you HAVE to draw more power or you WILL draw more power; he tells you that you're 'like an impetuous child' and that if you do anything of the sort he'll hunt you down and kill you. What is he even doing here? Why is he hanging out in Ouro if all he's going to do is badmouth the player's character and tell you nothing but "don't ask or do anything or I'll kill you"? I have a distinct feeling that Prometheus will become an enemy to the players in a future update. |
And since all he does is talk, with no game mechanics significance ... perhaps he will go Redside ? Villains can already gain his Flame and his stated goal of helping humanity achieve its potential has some parallels with Recluses darwinism.
My own question, which is not really a question, is to sort out the 5th Column and Council mess. Which AV is where now, which story arcs were 5th and which Council, more distinction between their mob types.
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Don't get me started on the Well and/or Prometheus. Let's just say that I agree in principle with Venture on those topics.
It doesn't help when I play through dialog where it's assumed that my hero is so famous that everyone and his brother knows that he's an incarnate and that he's just about the most fabuloso hero of the city and man are they lucky that I'm around to solve their problems for them.
I'll spare the board my normal lore rants and just answer the question Michelle posed:
What's the deal with the Seaview Project and are they still down there?
Coralax.
I still don't understand why they aren't portrayed as much of a threat. There's an entire civilization beneath the ocean (which makes up most of the planet so how many there are is anyone's guess), and they're attacking the surface. Why isn't this a big deal? Why isn't this the hugest deal? This isn't aliens coming down from space, this is a species humanity would regard as "alien" being here all along.
If the Coralax were created in the Cretaceous Period, that means they've been on Earth longer than humans. They have access to magic, they have access to psychic powers. Their god Merulina may be gone, but the Leviathan isn't. Even if they're physically weaker (their in-game level range), all they'd have to do is tap into the Leviathen's power and boom- We'd got an incarnate-level Banished Pantheon threat all over again.
Worse still? What's to stop the Coralax from joining forces with the Devouring Earth? They both want pretty much the same thing, the Devouring Earth just want it more. For now.
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Originally Posted by Demon_Shell
Worse still? What's to stop the Coralax from joining forces with the Devouring Earth? They both want pretty much the same thing, the Devouring Earth just want it more. For now.
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And point of interest - Coralax were mentioned as an EAT ages ago.
Who created superadyne? When the Regulators got in there, they swore everyone to secrecy about what they saw.
Some of that must have to do with the (rather silly) consequences of taking lots of the drug. (spoilers). But that still leaves a mystery about where it came from.
Oh... wait. It's a Nemesis plot, isn't it? I think I knew that and blocked it out. Sigh. Never mind.
Ok, alternate question: is there something weird under that hill next to the Talos Island T station?
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It's not a stretch. It's a fairly obvious scenario between the two. I would have expected it to have happened by now.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... did an AE arc on that long ago, too. Well, touching that.
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I'd also fully expect the DE to double-cross the Coralax, but it's the journey-not the destination.
Risking flamage here.
My question is:
With so much of the player base seeming to be
racing to the endgame with their new shinies,
why does Lore matter?
or, more helpfully/less snarky, how can we make
Lore matter more?