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Dear all,

I am running a little experiment. I enjoyed immensely Praetoria when it was released and I have been delighted by the expansion in lore and zones through First Ward, Night Ward and the iTrials. However, since they revamped the first levels experience in Paragon and the Rogue Isles for CoH Freedom (Sept 2011), I have found myself playing exclusively Hero/Villain content.

After one year, and with the new powersets coming out, I decided to go back to Praetoria and try to stay there as much as possible, without setting foot in Primal Earth. My Water Blast/Time Corruptor named Atlantea has been doing well, she finished all the original Praetorian arcs... it was a quite lonely ride I have to say, I think DBF has killed Praetoria just 1 year after the zones were released. Anyway, staying on topic... I changed sides as many times as possible, and ended being a Resitance member. Funny enough, both sides offered me the final mission to go to Primal Earth (Provost Marchand and Steve Sheridan). I got both for fun, tempted to do first one and go, let’s say villain, then the other and go heroe, to see if I break the server.

Anyway, she didn’t complete any of the two “Cross the Rift thingie” missions because that would break my “only Praetoria experiment”. Instead she went through the Praetorian underground to First Ward and I am getting missions there without problems. Blind Makwa wants me to collect something from some graves (creepy!) that are surrounded by purple enemies. So now I have resorted to the “newspaper” missions from Roadflare to get some levels.

I guess I will have to live in First Ward until I am lvl 30, then I can move to Night Ward... problem is, what to do after finishing Night Ward at lvl 35? Wait in the hope they release new Praetorian content that bridges the gap to lvl 50? Someone knows if I can still go to Primal Earth and join teams for missions? Or do some kind of missions in Primal Earth without being Heroe-Villain/stop being Praetorian, maybe Vanguard ones? Probably I will get stuck and finally go Primal...

I am wondering if anyone has done something similar before and what have been their experiences.

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I also have a "perma Praetorian"... a tank named Song of Autumn... who'll never leave. She's 27 currently and in First Ward. Once I'm done there, I'll move on to Night Ward. Originally, I just made Autumn as sort-of a "helper toon" to run with other people's lowbie gold-side characters. I've never intended her to go Primal herself.

It'll be interesting to see what level she ends up. She may eventually make it to 50 just running other people's missions with them... or she may not, since no one seems very interested in starting in Praetoria these days (As you say, no DfBs there... <_<). I suspect that the devs are unlikely at this point to do much more with it zone-wise, so we're more or less on our own.


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does sidekicking/mentoring allow you to continue to gain xp while helping lower level characters through the content? If so you could hit 50 there.


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does sidekicking/mentoring allow you to continue to gain xp while helping lower level characters through the content?
Yes.


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I'm honestly hoping they can extend Praetoria up into 50. Resistance stories could revolve around building a new democracy/hunting down remaining Loyalists, while Loyalists could try to restore some order/try to fill the power vacuum.
The Incarnate storyline doesn't start until 50 - any 35-50 content would happen before the war started.


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Dear all,

I am running a little experiment. I enjoyed immensely Praetoria when it was released and I have been delighted by the expansion in lore and zones through First Ward, Night Ward and the iTrials. However, since they revamped the first levels experience in Paragon and the Rogue Isles for CoH Freedom (Sept 2011), I have found myself playing exclusively Hero/Villain content.

After one year, and with the new powersets coming out, I decided to go back to Praetoria and try to stay there as much as possible, without setting foot in Primal Earth. My Water Blast/Time Corruptor named Atlantea has been doing well, she finished all the original Praetorian arcs... it was a quite lonely ride I have to say, I think DBF has killed Praetoria just 1 year after the zones were released. Anyway, staying on topic... I changed sides as many times as possible, and ended being a Resitance member. Funny enough, both sides offered me the final mission to go to Primal Earth (Provost Marchand and Steve Sheridan). I got both for fun, tempted to do first one and go, let’s say villain, then the other and go heroe, to see if I break the server.

Anyway, she didn’t complete any of the two “Cross the Rift thingie” missions because that would break my “only Praetoria experiment”. Instead she went through the Praetorian underground to First Ward and I am getting missions there without problems. Blind Makwa wants me to collect something from some graves (creepy!) that are surrounded by purple enemies. So now I have resorted to the “newspaper” missions from Roadflare to get some levels.

I guess I will have to live in First Ward until I am lvl 30, then I can move to Night Ward... problem is, what to do after finishing Night Ward at lvl 35? Wait in the hope they release new Praetorian content that bridges the gap to lvl 50? Someone knows if I can still go to Primal Earth and join teams for missions? Or do some kind of missions in Primal Earth without being Heroe-Villain/stop being Praetorian, maybe Vanguard ones? Probably I will get stuck and finally go Primal...

I am wondering if anyone has done something similar before and what have been their experiences.

Cheers
@Arda
IIRC some of the Night Ward contacts give out missions that scale all the way up to 50. Don't recall if that applies to the repeatable mission contacts.


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Dear all,

I am running a little experiment. I enjoyed immensely Praetoria when it was released and I have been delighted by the expansion in lore and zones through First Ward, Night Ward and the iTrials. However, since they revamped the first levels experience in Paragon and the Rogue Isles for CoH Freedom (Sept 2011), I have found myself playing exclusively Hero/Villain content.

After one year, and with the new powersets coming out, I decided to go back to Praetoria and try to stay there as much as possible, without setting foot in Primal Earth. My Water Blast/Time Corruptor named Atlantea has been doing well, she finished all the original Praetorian arcs... it was a quite lonely ride I have to say, I think DBF has killed Praetoria just 1 year after the zones were released. Anyway, staying on topic... I changed sides as many times as possible, and ended being a Resitance member. Funny enough, both sides offered me the final mission to go to Primal Earth (Provost Marchand and Steve Sheridan). I got both for fun, tempted to do first one and go, let’s say villain, then the other and go heroe, to see if I break the server.

Anyway, she didn’t complete any of the two “Cross the Rift thingie” missions because that would break my “only Praetoria experiment”. Instead she went through the Praetorian underground to First Ward and I am getting missions there without problems. Blind Makwa wants me to collect something from some graves (creepy!) that are surrounded by purple enemies. So now I have resorted to the “newspaper” missions from Roadflare to get some levels.

I guess I will have to live in First Ward until I am lvl 30, then I can move to Night Ward... problem is, what to do after finishing Night Ward at lvl 35? Wait in the hope they release new Praetorian content that bridges the gap to lvl 50? Someone knows if I can still go to Primal Earth and join teams for missions? Or do some kind of missions in Primal Earth without being Heroe-Villain/stop being Praetorian, maybe Vanguard ones? Probably I will get stuck and finally go Primal...

I am wondering if anyone has done something similar before and what have been their experiences.

Cheers
@Arda
well, we dont know for sure, but it strongly was suggested that we are fighting the praetorian hami. it would seem to follow the last few issues that we will be getting some content involving fighting him and maybe a zone, just like first and night ward. I dunno if it will be a full zone, given that they are also supposedly doing a zone revamp, im wondering how many resources they have to make another zone, but they have been surprising me lately.It seems likely we will get some bridging content up closer to the highest levels. also, while it gets repetitive, there are repeatable contacts, i know im doing that now in first ward, saving refugees from dregs and stealing test soldier supplies. as an added bonus, the emperor's sword arc even gives solo advancement options without fighting mot (though fighting mot is kinda pure awesome in its own right).


 

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IIRC some of the Night Ward contacts give out missions that scale all the way up to 50. Don't recall if that applies to the repeatable mission contacts.
It does.


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It does.
Which one? The contacts I've run into that do scale to 50 (Fireball and Trilogy) are NOT repeatable missions.


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I have a Praetorian character currently at level 31, and I'm getting ready to run her through Night Ward.

One thing to remember is that you can get into Pocket D without changing alignment, and that means you can participate in seasonal events there. I've been picking up a little XP on the summer event.


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I guess I will have to live in First Ward until I am lvl 30, then I can move to Night Ward... problem is, what to do after finishing Night Ward at lvl 35? Wait in the hope they release new Praetorian content that bridges the gap to lvl 50? Someone knows if I can still go to Primal Earth and join teams for missions? Or do some kind of missions in Primal Earth without being Heroe-Villain/stop being Praetorian, maybe Vanguard ones? Probably I will get stuck and finally go Primal...

I am wondering if anyone has done something similar before and what have been their experiences.

Cheers
@Arda
That's what I've been doing with both of my Praetorians: they haven't set foot outside of Praetoria and each time a new P-zone comes out I run the content and level them up to the zone's max level.

As soon as you set foot outside of Praetoria, that's it: you are no longer welcomed, remembered or a Praetorian for that matter.


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Which one? The contacts I've run into that do scale to 50 (Fireball and Trilogy) are NOT repeatable missions.
It would be nice to get a clearer picture on that, can anyone confirm repeatable Praetorian missions that scale up to lvl 50 in Night Ward?


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No, there are no repeatables that scale to 50.

You've got the basic Praetoria zones that range 1-20.
First Ward ranges from 20-29, this includes all story arcs and the -five- repeatable contacts.
Night Ward is 30-39. The initial contact, Mistress Maria, is 30-39. The following contacts in the chain are 31-39. The 2 repeatables, Atherton Cromwell and Sir Lionel, range from 30-39.

Fireball and Trilogy in Night Ward have a level range from 30 to 50. However, they are NOT repeatable contacts. They're what's called 'task pool' contacts. Rather than repeatables like Ephram Sha or Sir Lionel or Vickers who have about 3-6 different missions they give out randomly in pairs, Fireball and Trilogy have a list of missions they give out randomly. Once a mission is done it is -removed- from the pool so that you eventually empty the pool.

So, basically you can do repeatable missions in Nightward up to 39, then when you hit 40 you'll have Fireball and Trilogy left, but once you're done with their missions that's it.


 

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No, there are no repeatables that scale to 50.

You've got the basic Praetoria zones that range 1-20.
First Ward ranges from 20-29, this includes all story arcs and the -five- repeatable contacts.
Night Ward is 30-39. The initial contact, Mistress Maria, is 30-39. The following contacts in the chain are 31-39. The 2 repeatables, Atherton Cromwell and Sir Lionel, range from 30-39.

Fireball and Trilogy in Night Ward have a level range from 30 to 50. However, they are NOT repeatable contacts. They're what's called 'task pool' contacts. Rather than repeatables like Ephram Sha or Sir Lionel or Vickers who have about 3-6 different missions they give out randomly in pairs, Fireball and Trilogy have a list of missions they give out randomly. Once a mission is done it is -removed- from the pool so that you eventually empty the pool.

So, basically you can do repeatable missions in Nightward up to 39, then when you hit 40 you'll have Fireball and Trilogy left, but once you're done with their missions that's it.
There's another thing: killing the Seed of Hamidon & seedlings. As far as I tested, they use GM code (like the invasions mobs). So, no matter what lvl you're, they always give the experience related to your lvl. But still 10 lvls of killing seedlings...



 

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But only Primals can be Rogues! O-:


 

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I've got a 33(?) MA/Elec scrapper that still has the mission to leave and won't be taking it. I used Zombie Man's (and someone elses) guide to complete all the original Praetorian content, then did all the FW missions, then all of the NW missions. That's a character that will never be leaving Praetoria except for Pocket D (to visit Null and then never again).


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It is a pity, but knowing myself, if I like the toon, I will gave up on the experiment and go Primal once I finish the Night Ward content just to keep playing with the toon.

I can always do it again with another character if the Devs fill the Praetoria gaps till lvl 50 with new content.


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think DBF has killed Praetoria just 1 year after the zones were released.
DfB may have been a near-final nail in the coffin, but I think it was already near death by then due to the unending waves of ambushes and tougher mobs, which lead to the vicious circle of teaming there being harder.


 

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I think you might be able to continue gaining solo XP during the First Ward Seed of Hamidon event. (Can anyone confirm that the seedlings award XP?)


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I think you might be able to continue gaining solo XP during the First Ward Seed of Hamidon event. (Can anyone confirm that the seedlings award XP?)
Yep, they do, but right now they are a PITA for my lvl 23 Water/Time Corr, maybe they will get easier with more levels under my belt. I wouldn't like to have to advance a good bunch of whole levels (even worse, going from lvl 35-lvl 50) killing Seeds and repeating the very same Resitance mission (kill Awakened retained by DUST).


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OK, I think I will give up even earlier than at the end of Night Ward, I am lvl 24 and close to finish First Ward story arcs... no way I am going to spend 5 lvls killing "Awakened Bosses detained by DUST" and boss level seedlings...


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The Incarnate storyline doesn't start until 50 - any 35-50 content would happen before the war started.
The level-for-storyline it's not and should not be a reliable way to set any story. Admiral Sutter is level 20-40, it was specifically marketed as "While the Incarnates fight Cole's army, it's up to the rest of the heroes to fight this other praetorian plot" or some Jazz like that.

The Night Ward came along with the TUNEL system, which main purpouse was to help against Cole and also to evacuate Praetoria, this all happens before level 50(or should X level characters not have access to this because "it hasnt happened yet"?).

This game's timeline and storyline is... wonky, at best. There are many parts of Praetoria that could still be used to keep the story going to fill the 35-50 gap, which could tie with Praetoria and have(or not have) to do with the post-war incidents. Specially when we consider our only encounter with Praemidon was with it's Avatar and our friend Hami is still on the loose.


 

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This thread grabbed my attention because I have a level 17 character that I don't want to have to make a final morality decision on. She's part of a themed set--one is a hero who is destined to be a hero and can't change it if she tries (if she goes out to a desert island in the middle of nowhere, it turns out that there's an evil cult there trying to resurrect a dead god. If she sits in her room and does nothing, someone will come running in fleeing supervillains. She's stuck being good.)

The other, natch, is someone whose every action is fated to further the goals of evil (she was a high school science teacher...every single one of her students became a mad scientist. The people in her apartment started a cult dedicated to worshipping forbidden gods. And so on...)

And this character, being in Praetoria, is free to choose her own destiny for good or evil. And her choice will decide the fate of the entire Praetorian universe. The problem is, she's terribly indecisive. So as a result, I really don't want to have her ever do a final morality mission. Please, keep those suggestions coming!