New appreciation for COH
It's just like Wentworth's, really, right down to having a crappy UI.
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haha nice quotes all around
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Even when the problem cited has been found to be my own error, not a single one has addressed me "You Big Doofus," which I greatly appreciate.
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Diablo III is the game if I'm not mistaken in question(hope this is ok saying who). Ya lets make a super popular game that everyone loved that's not even an MMO and make it so you can only play online(internet connection required) Such a massive fail from blizzard.
As opposed to pre-Freedom where you had certain content that you simply couldn't use unless you spent additional money on top of your $15 subscription.
Nobody ever promised a free solution for people subscribing to "I want it all! I WANT IT ALL! I WANT IT ALL! AND I WANT IT NAO!" Does it suck having to wait a little bit if you want it "free"? Sure! BUT YOU GET IT FOR FREE. Patience is still a Virtue (complete with ERP...wait...that's not right...). Paragon has chosen to monetize impatience. And, thus far, they're laughing all the way to the bank. |
I pay for 3 months at a time 90 days for around $40. That's around $0.45 cents a day. CHEAP entertainment. I won't miss the $5.
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HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.
I had to bring up this Psychoti post about his banning in another game.
Teams are the number one killer of soloists.
heck, my account got banned here in COH once for RMT people getting on it and I got unbanned when I sent in a panicked email. I've been really grateful they listened to me and been super careful with my account since. The support staff's always been good to me.
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HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.
Authenticators are hella cheap and worth every penny.
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Eh, they release content that I can't use unless I wait an additional 2 months for 800 points or spend even more money on top of my $15 subscription... so no.. I am losing love for the CoH devs. Not sure what game the OP is playing but he got Banned for doing something wrong.
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Personally I'll take the 2 months.
First, the company has to pay for the OTP (one-time-password) service. That can be anywhere from $1000 a year to $1000 a month to $1000 a week depending on just how many keys you need. Then, you can have each key fob custom designed to fit the CoX theme (anywhere from $20 to $30 to $40 per key fob depending on manufacturer and design used) or you could go blank for about $18 a key fob. Then you have to repackage the game with the fobs. This requires new packaging to indicate the new security (mostly in the System Requirements). Then you have to recall all previous versions. THEN you have to ship and stock the new boxed versions. THEN you have to ship new fobs to each player subscribed to your game.
Please note that I didn't include the time, money and manpower it would take to integrate the new security measures into the game's databases and interface (this includes login/store screens, the NCsoft website (another deal to be made since NC owns Paragon), and server-client authentication handshaking). I also didn't include the myriad of customer support issues the current service reps would have to be trained on. The cost can add up very, very rapidly. Unless you understand the processes and stages involved in making such a 'minor' addition to the game, and unless you've had first hand experience modifying a large-scale MMO, you can't ask for something like this and treat it like a minute issue. |
After two years of using an OTP key to authenticate my work, home, and MMO accounts, I can tell you that while it IS nice and IS secure, it's also a gargantuan PITA should the keys fall out of sync with the server. On one hand, you get added security. On the other, you get an increased potential for screw-ups that can literally lock you out of the game until someone fixes it.
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Yeahno.
Pretty much for all the reasons Nalrok outlined.
My company (and several we contract out to) no longer use these. Quite simply, they were too much of a hassle to keep properly synced.
This is a *game*, not sensitive corporate info. I don't care to be locked out of my account for an indefinite period simply because a stupid fob malfunctions. That kinda thing can get me parking a Rikti mothership out in Paragon's parking lot (RWZ style).
This is a *game*, not sensitive corporate info. I don't care to be locked out of my account for an indefinite period simply because a stupid fob malfunctions. That kinda thing can get me parking a Rikti mothership out in Paragon's parking lot (RWZ style).
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Google uses a similar approach to its two-factor authenticator, but its app is a challenge response system, not a token synchronized system (you're given a code by system you're trying to log into, and you enter that code into the app, and the app provides a reply number you use to log in: challenge and response).
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The compromise for authenticators is to use smartphone authenticator apps. They are automatically clock synchronized by virtue of being on the phone and so cannot really get out of sync, and there's no extra physical fob to carry around. I used on with SWTOR. For something like a game, it seems to me to be a reasonable compromise between enhanced security and increased hassle.
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All atop that, I've been reading some articles recently concerning Big Snowstorm's newest game (you know, Devil Two-Plus-One) having a large rash of accounts on smartphone authenticators being hacked, stolen, and shut down in that order, usually over the course of a day.
No thanks!
Google uses a similar approach to its two-factor authenticator, but its app is a challenge response system, not a token synchronized system (you're given a code by system you're trying to log into, and you enter that code into the app, and the app provides a reply number you use to log in: challenge and response).
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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
The compromise for authenticators is to use smartphone authenticator apps. They are automatically clock synchronized by virtue of being on the phone and so cannot really get out of sync, and there's no extra physical fob to carry around. I used on with SWTOR. For something like a game, it seems to me to be a reasonable compromise between enhanced security and increased hassle.
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My new Youtube Channel with CoH info
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Yeahno.
Pretty much for all the reasons Nalrok outlined. My company (and several we contract out to) no longer use these. Quite simply, they were too much of a hassle to keep properly synced. This is a *game*, not sensitive corporate info. I don't care to be locked out of my account for an indefinite period simply because a stupid fob malfunctions. That kinda thing can get me parking a Rikti mothership out in Paragon's parking lot (RWZ style). |
My new Youtube Channel with CoH info
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But after much consideration, have concluded that what I should do is formally request my forum title be changed to "Big Doofus".
I feel that this would add the gravitas that my posts typically deserve, and additionally, should I have the occasional lapse and think I actually know something, or that my opinions somehow have some importance to anyone but myself, would serve as a proper reminder that laughing about stuff is just far more fun.
Respectfully submitted,
-Eeek
That still doesn't handle the matter of Paragon having to pay for the authenticator service, as well as code and design the service into the game, on top of needing NC to add the service to their site.
All atop that, I've been reading some articles recently concerning Big Snowstorm's newest game (you know, Devil Two-Plus-One) having a large rash of accounts on smartphone authenticators being hacked, stolen, and shut down in that order, usually over the course of a day. No thanks! |
They don't do that for employees. They give us the fobs that fall out of sync with the server every 3-4 days and require replacement/resyncing. |
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I know how the OP feels. I was playing a game recently that had this series of updates happen over the span of 3 years or so:
#1: Public: "X in PVP is a problem and should be fixed!"
Devs: "We're working on it."
#2: An unpopular PVP update is put into the game.
#3: Public: "X in PVP is still a problem and should be fixed!"
Devs: "Alright, we got this." and then they fixed the problem.
#4: Unpopular PVP update is reversed several years later, reversing all subsequent changes after that update. Was implemented with a "vote" that was largely a publicity stunt.
#5: Public: "X in PVP is back again and is a problem! Fix it!"
Devs: "No! This is what YOU voted for, what YOU wanted, and we gave it to you. YOU said that this isn't a problem back when YOU voted!"
And hence, my frustration with that MMO. There is a large level of discontent for their player base from these developers, and it shows up quite frequently. They'll go back on their word, reverse updates, refuse to fix problems, make more problems with their attempted fixes to other issues, implement changes with an explanation that makes no sense on any level, and all the while their response to the players is a giant inflatable middle finger hidden behind generic corporate lingo. It is just annoying when there is a legitimate problem, and it won't be fixed because of some petty office politics and immaturity from the developers.
Everything in CoH seems so chill compared to some of the other games I have played. The few annoying things the devs do are only mildly annoying, and their reasoning for doing these things is fairly logical. If I screw up in the games or on the forums (since I am ought to, what with my familiarity with 18+ stuff and my off-beat sense of humor), I'll get generic'd or a stern warning before I get perma-banned forcing me to purchase the game all over again.
The community in this game is good enough that problems won't suddenly arise from an immaturity crime wave. If I see a player anywhere in the game, I can safely assume that the player is doing absolutely nothing wrong, and hasn't done anything wrong in at least the past month. It isn't like some of these other games I have played, where the players will agree to the ToS then break every option while whining about their right to play the game as moderators drag them kicking and screaming out the game. No, the games moderators know things are good, so the community operates autonomously without need for constant intervention.
You never realize what a privilege it is to have good communication between you and the devs until it isn't there anymore.
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I know how the OP feels. I was playing a game recently that had this series of updates happen over the span of 3 years or so:
#1: Public: "X in PVP is a problem and should be fixed!" Devs: "We're working on it." #2: An unpopular PVP update is put into the game. #3: Public: "X in PVP is still a problem and should be fixed!" Devs: "Alright, we got this." and then they fixed the problem. #4: Unpopular PVP update is reversed several years later, reversing all subsequent changes after that update. Was implemented with a "vote" that was largely a publicity stunt. #5: Public: "X in PVP is back again and is a problem! Fix it!" Devs: "No! This is what YOU voted for, what YOU wanted, and we gave it to you. YOU said that this isn't a problem back when YOU voted!" **EDITED THE REST FOR LENGTH** |
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Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30
Even when the problem cited has been found to be my own error, not a single one has addressed me "You Big Doofus," which I greatly appreciate.
You Big Doofus.
Andy Belford
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Paragon Studios