Who is the Praetorian Requiem?
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Posted on: 2012-07-08 14:32 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Good question. I'm pretty sure we've met the Praetorian version of Vandal, though, a.k.a. Vagabond, and the Praetorian version of the Center, a.k.a. Agent G. Wonder where the latter went when we were taking over Imperial City, since he may have had some mental influence over Chimera. Maybe I'm just reading too much into things.
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Originally Posted by Ultimus
In one of the letters from the letter writer he mentions him asking if we've met him. Who exactly is he?
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That is an interesting thought. I wonder if that's just a loose plot end that the devs are/were going to wrap up if the vocal ranters didn't get their way and end the Praetorian plotline before it was over. A few other characters I could've imagined as counterparts:
Frostfire-Probably a member of Powers Division
Count Crey, Countess Crey, & Hopkins-Probably members of the Syndicate
Dreck, Bile and Clamor-Members of the Resistance (Crusader anarchists)
Atta-Member of the Destroyers
Emil Marcone, Guido Verandi and Sebastian Frost-Also members of the Syndicate
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That's one of the very, very old letters, isn't it? From around when Ouroboros first appeared?
I'm not sure we actually know who he is. I think it was just a name-drop, to portray the idea that there is much more to the timeline/multiverse business than we are aware of.
There's a Crusader arc where you meet a battle-hardened crazy old man who I believe is the Praetorian dimension's Requiem. He believe he talked about how he hated Marcus Cole ever since he just hung hovering over Rome and watched it burn (or get enveloped by goo, whatever)
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You know who I REALLY wanted to see? Praetorian Scirocco/Imad Malak. His dedication to good but stuck with evil could translate from a curse on Primal Earth to him simply being a Responsibilities Loyalist in in Praetoria. Or maybe he's a member of the Resistance, specifically one who's trying to keep the Crusaders from going too crazy? (Also putting him back along aside BV.) Maybe some mystical affinity landed him in the Carnival of Light or War (and possibly tragically ending up in the Carnival of Vengeance)?|
Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
That is an interesting thought. I wonder if that's just a loose plot end that the devs are/were going to wrap up if the vocal ranters didn't get their way and end the Praetorian plotline before it was over. A few other characters I could've imagined as counterparts:
Frostfire-Probably a member of Powers Division Count Crey, Countess Crey, & Hopkins-Probably members of the Syndicate Dreck, Bile and Clamor-Members of the Resistance (Crusader anarchists) Atta-Member of the Destroyers Emil Marcone, Guido Verandi and Sebastian Frost-Also members of the Syndicate |
I don't see him as a Destroyer unless something drastic happened (then again, a lot of drastic things DID happen in Praetoria) nor the Syndicate. Though, by extension of being part of the Responsibilities, he might have ended up even in the IDF?
Sooo many possibilities.
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Always been curious what Dream Doctor meant by the Mender Silos from Faathim's reality.
Yeah, Praetorian Reqiuem is implied to be Vagabond.
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Given the absurd differences between the Ridolfo Uzzanos, and the fact that he immediately follows the statement with "don't think about this so hard", I think the point he was trying to make is that it wouldn't matter if he was someone we "already" knew, but from another dimension, and that it wasn't worth our time considering such things, because they could be so far removed from what we know, there's no point in thinking of them that way.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Always been curious what Dream Doctor meant by the Mender Silos from Faathim's reality.
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I am more curious why everyone has to have an praetorian counterpart.
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Because what's the point of a mirror universe without goatee people?
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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
I am more curious why everyone has to have an praetorian counterpart.
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This. It's a world where Hamidon ravaged the population. There are bound to be a number of signature Primal characters that are just flat out dead, while there will also be a ton of original-to-Praetoria characters due to the differences in history.
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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
I am more curious why everyone has to have an praetorian counterpart.
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Praetorian Requiem is in charge of their SETI project.
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No one said they had to, but there's a specific in game reference to this particular one. |
Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
I am more curious why everyone has to have an praetorian counterpart.
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And there are plenty of characters that don't have praetorian counterparts and vice versa. As far as we know, there's no Primal Katie Douglass or Nadia. Nor Praetorian Maria Jenkins or Blue Steel.
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Not to mention a world where Marcus Cole ravaged the population. Remember, he looked at Primal Earth not only as an example to be avoided in general, but also one to be studied for specific key societal and historical points to be countered as specific issues.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
This. It's a world where Hamidon ravaged the population.
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That's one of the basic themes of Praetoria - the population are trapped between those 2 monsters.
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Originally Posted by Seschat
Not to mention a world where Marcus Cole ravaged the population.
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Nope, no one said they had to, however, toss a dart at a board filled with pics of primals, and there is a better than good chance of hitting one that has a counterpart who has plateaued at the same level of incompetence as their primal. Sure there are outliers, but that does not seem to be the norm.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
No one said they had to, but there's a specific in game reference to this particular one.
And there are plenty of characters that don't have praetorian counterparts and vice versa. As far as we know, there's no Primal Katie Douglass or Nadia. Nor Praetorian Maria Jenkins or Blue Steel. |
Praetorian Requiem likely died a long, long time ago. There's little chance we'll ever meet him.
Requiem's human half, Uzzano, is old. Like probably born before 1900 old. On Primal Earth he had already become an ordained Catholic priest, spent time researching obscure documents in the Vatican library, and left the priesthood to become at least a mid-level functionary in Mussolini's government all before 1926. Remember Uzzano also has no powers of his own. He merged with the Nictus Dirge of Entropy on Primal Earth, but there's no Praetorian counterpart to the Khelds. While it's not impossible that he's still alive in Praetoria it's incredibly unlikely, especially given how much of the planet's population has been killed. The estimated odds of someone making it past 110 in the real world are about .00000006%. It's even worse in practice since those numbers are a high end estimate (360 people). In reality there are less than 75 people confirmed to be over 110. It's got to be worse in Praetoria.
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Have the devs actually confirmed that Praetoria's Mr. G is their version of the Center? It's been suspected for quite some time by several of us for multiple reasons, but I'm not aware of them outright confirming Paolo Tirelli to be Mr. G's Primal counterpart.
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I'm fairly sure that Mr. G is in fact the Praetorion version of.......Agent G, a Faultline contact. Mr. G also doesn't appear to be old enough to be the Center, who is described by Viridian as being over 90. |
Originally Posted by Kurrent
Have the devs actually confirmed that Praetoria's Mr. G is their version of the Center? It's been suspected for quite some time by several of us for multiple reasons, but I'm not aware of them outright confirming Paolo Tirelli to be Mr. G's Primal counterpart.
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As far as Vagabond being Requiem I don't buy it, again for age related reasons. Vagabond may be getting on in years but he's not nearly old enough to be Requiem, who is over 100. The Dream Doctor's letter is the only information we have that there is a Praetorian version of Requiem. And frankly he hasn't been very forthcoming with details about much of anything.
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You mean Mr. G? (Agent G is a Faultline contact)|
Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
Good question. I'm pretty sure we've met the Praetorian version of Vandal, though, a.k.a. Vagabond, and the Praetorian version of the Center, a.k.a. Agent G. Wonder where the latter went when we were taking over Imperial City, since he may have had some mental influence over Chimera. Maybe I'm just reading too much into things.
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I always thought it was an homage to G-man from Half-Life:
From Nova Praetoria Warden arc:
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Camera Footage You look over the information you found from all three cameras to see the following string of events: A man in a suit, meeting with a non-descript PPD official. The PPD official gives the man a folder, then walks away. There are some words on the folder - you can only make out one of them - 'Polstra'. Praetor Duncan walks up to speak with the man. You increase the volume to overhear her calling the man, 'Mr. G'. The two speak for a few minutes, Praetor Duncan appearing angry before walking off. Mr. G looks directly into the camera and smiles before getting into his black-windowed car. The black-windowed car pulls up to a street corner, where a man from the Ministry of Information awaits. The man from the ministry enters the car. Fifteen minutes later he exits with the folder in hand. You're able to now make out the name on the folder: 'Eddie Polstra'. |
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Have you ever actually seen Mr. G? He's old. Someone just posted a pic up above, and you can tell how old he looks. Agent G, though, is pretty young. Here's a pic of the Center, for reference.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid
I'm fairly sure that Mr. G is in fact the Praetorion version of.......Agent G, a Faultline contact. Mr. G also doesn't appear to be old enough to be the Center, who is described by Viridian as being over 90.
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Also the Center and Mr. G have similarly colored suits, and Mr. G has shown the ability to influence others mentally. It's believed the Center has a similar ability, and that's how he was capable of forming his Council and overthrowing the 5th Column. I'm not saying they are one another, but it's a strong possibility.
Mr. G may look old (yes, older than Agent G), but not 90+. I also don't recall Mr. G having any superhuman abilities. Instead he just seems to be very well informed with lots of contacts behind the scenes.
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He uses the same face as the Center, his eyes are horribly sunken, he looks like an unhealthy raisin, his hair is gray, and his physique is scrawny and frail. I honestly don't know what more you expect.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid
Mr. G may look old (yes, older than Agent G), but not 90+. I also don't recall Mr. G having any superhuman abilities. Instead he just seems to be very well informed with lots of contacts behind the scenes.
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Also running through Tami Baker's arc, she reveals she works closely with Mr. G. She is, for the most part, an airheaded secretary. But she provides you with tons of info from Mr. G, and will frequently speak just like him, particularly imitating his repetition. So it can be implied he's controlling her in some way.
Again, not saying G and the Center are for sure the same, but if G is a counterpart to anyone in Primal, there's more evidence supporting the Center than anyone else.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
And there are plenty of characters that don't have praetorian counterparts and vice versa. As far as we know, there's no Primal Katie Douglass or Nadia. Nor Praetorian Maria Jenkins or Blue Steel.
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I also expect that if the Center even existed in Praetoria neither Tyrant nor Mother "Did It Need To Be So High" Mayhem would allow him to survive.
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In one of the letters from the letter writer he mentions him asking if we've met him. Who exactly is he?