Who is the Praetorian Requiem?
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Posted on: 2012-07-08 14:32 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid
Mr. G may look old (yes, older than Agent G), but not 90+. I also don't recall Mr. G having any superhuman abilities. Instead he just seems to be very well informed with lots of contacts behind the scenes.
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The information we have on the Center, from Viridian's utterly EPIC arc:
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Originally Posted by Viridian
The next one will be difficult. Very difficult. I have an invitation for the Center, the leader of the Council. He won't fight you. He's over 90 years old, and though he's a mutant, he has no combat mutations. What he does have is an extremely devious mind, 70 years of experience, and his own army with numerous meta-human assets. He's grown conservative with age, but even more cunning. He's rebuffed every other offer to meet, but with all the others whom you've gathered already, he's let my agents know he might be interested. That is, if whoever I send can survive to deliver the invitation. That's your job. |
Any Questions?
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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From Viridian's dialogue immediately after what you quoted:|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
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| The normal Council troops are bad. Fanatically loyal. We think that might be tied into the Center's mutation, actually. |
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I concede that your arguments are valid. But I still don't buy that G = Center (and I realize you're not insisting that he is.) It's really not possible for everyone from Primal Earth to have a counterpart in Praetoria given that it's human population is substantially lower after the Hamidon Wars.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
I meant what more would you expect to make a man look like they're 90+ in this game.
Like I've said, like, twice already, I'm not saying he is. But if he were, there's plenty of evidence supporting it. |
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I'm inclined to think that Katie Douglas is Praetorian Katie Hannon. |
Originally Posted by Agent White
And there are plenty of characters that don't have praetorian counterparts and vice versa. As far as we know, there's no Primal Katie Douglass or Nadia. Nor Praetorian Maria Jenkins or Blue Steel.
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Her mother marrying and her taking on her stepfather's name could explain the difference in last name. They also bear a vague resemblance to each other.
Very plausible, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's true.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
I always assumed "The Mender Silos from Faathim's reality" would be Rularuu.
It makes a certain sort of sense that doesen't make any sense without the sense-breaking presences of alternate universes and time-travel.
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Originally Posted by Arilou
I always assumed "The Mender Silos from Faathim's reality" would be Rularuu.
It makes a certain sort of sense that doesen't make any sense without the sense-breaking presences of alternate universes and time-travel. |
-Captain_Aegis aka @Captain Valiant EU
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I believe all previously Ascended Incarnates had no alternate versions - the Well of the Furies empowered Statesman, Lord Recluse, Hero 1, Emperor Cole, and Reichsman. Rularuu itself is an Ascended that transcends Universes, and is only trapped in the Shard because it was fractured into multiple aspects by the Dagger of Jocas. Hamidon, if it was able to either merge with it's primal counterpart ("Divided We Fall", the second Praetorian invasion event last year) or consuming Emperor Cole (the then champion of the well) is the only other entity we know of that could possibly be ascended (though some have theorized that DJ Zero is one).
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Originally Posted by Captain_Aegis
Isn't Rularuu an alternate version of the Dream Doctor, or is my memory playing tricks on me?
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.
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It's not evidence at all. It's conjecture.
| Like I've said, like, twice already, I'm not saying he is. But if he were, there's plenty of evidence supporting it. |
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We already know that Primal and Praetorian counterparts can be of different age. Primal Shalice Tillman is over 80 years old, where Praetorian Shalice is only in her 20s, I believe (She was born during the Hamidon Wars). |
Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid
I'm fairly sure that Mr. G is in fact the Praetorion version of.......Agent G, a Faultline contact. Mr. G also doesn't appear to be old enough to be the Center, who is described by Viridian as being over 90.
As far as Vagabond being Requiem I don't buy it, again for age related reasons. Vagabond may be getting on in years but he's not nearly old enough to be Requiem, who is over 100. The Dream Doctor's letter is the only information we have that there is a Praetorian version of Requiem. And frankly he hasn't been very forthcoming with details about much of anything. |
Additionally I believe one of the devs said/implied at one point that Praetorian Penelope Yin was somewhat older than Primal Penny... but then that was before Primal Penny turned out to be 5 years older than anyone else thought she was (I'm sorry but I'll still never quite accept that she was supposed to be 18 during the Faultline arcs).
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This is from an interview that Protean gave shortly before the launch of GR:
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So Mr. G is a counterpart to a Primal character, but it's possibly a little left field, which could easily cover the Center.
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Don't forget the gender swaps of Fusionette and Faultline. Some parallels aren't nearly as parallel.
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Which is ridiculous. That makes them people with the same name, not "parallels".
| We already know that Primal and Praetorian counterparts can be of different age. |
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"And I say now these kittens, they do not get trained/As we did in the days when Victoria reigned!" -- T. S. Eliot, "Gus, the Theatre Cat"
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It just means the hand of fate moves at a slightly different pace in different settings. It doesn't change the fact that they are "parallels". This game's pretty well-established that certain "figures" just exist, no matter what. It's not just Praetoria, it's Cimerora: we've got a Cimeroran Statesman, Positron, Synapse, Sister Psyche (and a Citadel, too, IIRC). So yeah, it's basically fate, or the Well, or the Almighty Writer, y'know, some cosmic force going "this person exists", but not really being too concerned with the circumstances.
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Originally Posted by Venture
Which is ridiculous. That makes them people with the same name, not "parallels".
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Originally Posted by Venture
It's not evidence at all. It's conjecture.
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Conjecture? I barely know 'er!
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
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My thoughts exactly. The strong implications that the Center's mutant power is some form of Presence or Domination that inspires loyalty and possibly even indirect mental control also lines up with Mr. G's amazing connections and ability to influence others. |
Originally Posted by Xzero45
He uses the same face as the Center, his eyes are horribly sunken, he looks like an unhealthy raisin, his hair is gray, and his physique is scrawny and frail. I honestly don't know what more you expect.
Also running through Tami Baker's arc, she reveals she works closely with Mr. G. She is, for the most part, an airheaded secretary. But she provides you with tons of info from Mr. G, and will frequently speak just like him, particularly imitating his repetition. So it can be implied he's controlling her in some way. Again, not saying G and the Center are for sure the same, but if G is a counterpart to anyone in Primal, there's more evidence supporting the Center than anyone else. |
Still, nothing is definite until confirmed by the devs. Maybe one day they'll tell us if we're wrong or right.
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It reduces the issue to a silly use of writers' prerogative.| It just means the hand of fate moves at a slightly different pace in different settings. It doesn't change the fact that they are "parallels". |
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| So yeah, it's basically fate, or the Well, or the Almighty Writer, y'know, some cosmic force going "this person exists", but not really being too concerned with the circumstances. |
Current Blog Post: "Why I am an Atheist..."
"And I say now these kittens, they do not get trained/As we did in the days when Victoria reigned!" -- T. S. Eliot, "Gus, the Theatre Cat"
I also expect that if the Center even existed in Praetoria neither Tyrant nor Mother "Did It Need To Be So High" Mayhem would allow him to survive.
Like I've said, like, twice already, I'm not saying he is. But if he were, there's plenty of evidence supporting it.