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Back in the day, if you ran in Supergroup mode, you used to get no infamy at the higher levels. But that was changed some over time, so the lowest penalty you get is 50%|
Originally Posted by Shockwave007
I know you have the ability to turn on and off supergroup mode. While in supergroup mode, your supergroup gets prestige. But what is the downside? Is there a reason to ever turn supergroup mode back off?
Before, I thought it would be to get the symbol and colors off, but you can fix that in your settings anyway. So outside changing your costume, what's the downside to SG mode? |
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Prestige
you don't get inf for defeating enemies, you get prestige instead.
not a big deal in the modern game, where selling drops will make you millions with no effort beyond visiting the market.
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Ok, thanks. So basically if you are a free player, there is no downside, since INF is pretty worthless unless you are on the auctin house.
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Originally Posted by Really_Big_Bang
Back in the day, if you ran in Supergroup mode, you used to get no infamy at the higher levels. But that was changed some over time, so the lowest penalty you get is 50%
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Prestige |
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Originally Posted by Really_Big_Bang
Back in the day, if you ran in Supergroup mode, you used to get no infamy at the higher levels. But that was changed some over time, so the lowest penalty you get is 50%
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Learn something new every day.
The market so warped my relationship with inf I stopped registering anything about defeats that wasn't XP.
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Yeah you still make half inf in supergroup mode these days. So if inf isn't a major concern but you want to design that top of the line supergroup with all the amenities, feel free.
I've got a couple solo supergroups that just over time from starting the group early have all the things I want (which is mostly a crafting table and teleporter access).
Ok, question #2.
If I have SG mode on (over level 29) AND I have no xp, double INF on, do I:
1) Get 100% INF (50%x2)
2) Get 150% INF (100%x2-50%)
3) Something else?
I'm assuming #1, but I haven't actually tested this since I don't pay attention to INF anyway.
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If you are a FREE player you have an inf cap of 25 million per character, and only 2 character slots and no market access anyway. In addition to that anything over the inf cap isn't stored. You'd just stop earning inf. And 25 million is more than enough to buy SO's.|
Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Ok, thanks. So basically if you are a free player, there is no downside, since INF is pretty worthless unless you are on the auctin house.
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Are you perchance referring to Premium players which can have an inf cap up to 2 billion per character depending on how many Paragon Rewards they have unlocked?
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Yes you get 1/2 of the inf you'd get if you weren't in SGmode...
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Huh!
Learn something new every day. The market so warped my relationship with inf I stopped registering anything about defeats that wasn't XP. |
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Actually I think it may be the opposite. Most VIPs get the vast majority of their inf from the market--by comparision, the inf they sacrifice while playing in SG mode is only a small fraction of that. But a free/premium player that can't use the market has to rely on inf earned by running missions or selling stuff to vendors (often for pittance of what the market pays). Yet free/premium players still need to buy (and regularly upgrade) enhancements, which can be costly over time. SG mode could significantly cut into a free/premium player's already limited ability to afford those enhancements. |
Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Ok, thanks. So basically if you are a free player, there is no downside, since INF is pretty worthless unless you are on the auctin house.
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Also, under level 25, there is no penalty for playing in SG mode. After level 25, a percentage of influence earned is sacrificed, which increases as you level up. I believe it starts at 10% at level 25 and caps at 50% at level 29. So if you're under 25, play in SG mode and don't worry about it. At level 25, you may want to look at how you are doing inf-wise before deciding if you want to continue.
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Obviously, to get an auction license, you would be premium instead of free. I'm free, so I have my 25M cap (which doesn't seem to far away). Single origin enhancments don't seem like they will cost anywhere near 25M. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
If you are a FREE player you have an inf cap of 25 million per character, and only 2 character slots and no market access anyway. In addition to that anything over the inf cap isn't stored. You'd just stop earning inf. And 25 million is more than enough to buy SO's.
Are you perchance referring to Premium players which can have an inf cap up to 2 billion per character depending on how many Paragon Rewards they have unlocked? |
So, basically, I'm saying since I will cap at 25M, and enhancements don't cost much for the store enhancements, I probably have already earned more INF than I will need for the life of the character. I remember when I was proud of getting to 100k, then a player gave me 500k. Now I'm staring at 10M, and I wonder what it is for.
BTW, my quick count for buying level 50 single origin enhancements:
About 106 slots (25 powers, about 15 inherint powers, and 66 slots taken for levels) = 106*50,000 INF = 5.3M INF.
(50,000 is actually higher than they should cost, I just rounded up from actual costs to give a high estimate.)
If I buy a full level 45 set as well, then 10M should be able to kit me out all the way through. I didn't buy a single enhancment until level 40 ones, an that is only because I decided to be level 39 for a while turning off xp gain as I fill in back storylines. Up until that point, I flew up levels so fast, it was never going to be worth it, and I can't imagine it would slow down all that much if I was actually trying to level, so 5M is probably all the INF a character ever needs to buy a full set of SO enhancements.
It obviously gets more expensive if you go premium and start using the auction house and invention systems, so I was looking to see what maxed out a free player. You can swap out bought enhancements for Hamidon enhancements once you find them, but that is pretty much the only improving to do on a free character after collecting your 5M INF.
(Makes me wonder how big a difference there is between a maximized free char with just SO enhancements, vs a maximized VIP char.)
Since you're losing 50% of your Inf earnings potential, it'll take you longer to achieve your Inf badges.
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Yes, you're pretty much golden on the Inf front. And can't go up except for Hami)s without going VIP or at least Premium.|
Originally Posted by Shockwave007
BTW, my quick count for buying level 50 single origin enhancements:
About 106 slots (25 powers, about 15 inherint powers, and 66 slots taken for levels) = 106*50,000 INF = 5.3M INF. (50,000 is actually higher than they should cost, I just rounded up from actual costs to give a high estimate.) If I buy a full level 45 set as well, then 10M should be able to kit me out all the way through. I didn't buy a single enhancment until level 40 ones, an that is only because I decided to be level 39 for a while turning off xp gain as I fill in back storylines. Up until that point, I flew up levels so fast, it was never going to be worth it, and I can't imagine it would slow down all that much if I was actually trying to level, so 5M is probably all the INF a character ever needs to buy a full set of SO enhancements. It obviously gets more expensive if you go premium and start using the auction house and invention systems, so I was looking to see what maxed out a free player. You can swap out bought enhancements for Hamidon enhancements once you find them, but that is pretty much the only improving to do on a free character after collecting your 5M INF. |
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Ya know, that's a good question. I'll try to remember to test it out when I get a chance and post my results if someone doesn't beat me to it.
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Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Ok, question #2.
If I have SG mode on (over level 29) AND I have no xp, double INF on, do I: 1) Get 100% INF (50%x2) 2) Get 150% INF (100%x2-50%) 3) Something else? I'm assuming #1, but I haven't actually tested this since I don't pay attention to INF anyway. |
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Do the Inf badges actually do anything other than add a badge to your list? If not, that doesn't really matter to me. I think there are about 6 badges I care about, and I don't see getting any of those for quite some time.
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Originally Posted by SerialBeggar
Since you're losing 50% of your Inf earnings potential, it'll take you longer to achieve your Inf badges.
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Villains have a contact or two locked behind the inf badges (Doc Buzzsaw comes to mind). Heroes don't have anything I think.
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Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Do the Inf badges actually do anything other than add a badge to your list? If not, that doesn't really matter to me. I think there are about 6 badges I care about, and I don't see getting any of those for quite some time.
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While this is technically true, all of the badge-locked contacts can actually be found in the Find Contact button in your contacts list - assuming you're within the correct level range for each specific contact. Best QOL update ever.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Villains have a contact or two locked behind the inf badges (Doc Buzzsaw comes to mind). Heroes don't have anything I think.
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You can still unlock them normally. And I believe if you find them without the Find Contact button they still won't talk to you unless you have the badge.
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It may seem obvious to you and I, but I've seen people misunderstand what their account (free vs prem) is allowed to have/do etc. so I asked for clarification, even tho the pessimist in me knows it's futile and some people will still see only what they want to see.
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Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Obviously, to get an auction license, you would be premium instead of free. I'm free, so I have my 25M cap (which doesn't seem to far away). Single origin enhancments don't seem like they will cost anywhere near 25M.
So, basically, I'm saying since I will cap at 25M, and enhancements don't cost much for the store enhancements, I probably have already earned more INF than I will need for the life of the character. I remember when I was proud of getting to 100k, then a player gave me 500k. Now I'm staring at 10M, and I wonder what it is for. |
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You can set yourself to get double INF?
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Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Ok, question #2.
If I have SG mode on (over level 29) AND I have no xp, double INF on, do I: 1) Get 100% INF (50%x2) 2) Get 150% INF (100%x2-50%) 3) Something else? I'm assuming #1, but I haven't actually tested this since I don't pay attention to INF anyway. |
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While exemplared, yes (since you can now earn XP while exemped, which you couldn't previously).|
Originally Posted by SuperFerret
You can set yourself to get double INF?
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The choice can be found in Options > Miscellaneous > XP While Exemplared.
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Yes, by turning off your XP gain. I'm not sure if it's truly double Inf gain, or if the xp just converts into inf. I seem to remember it being both at various points in the past.
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I'm actually glad you called it out, since i definately was playing too loose with the terms. Better for others to learn from the thread in the future. I'm not upset you called it out. Better to have the thread be clear.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
It may seem obvious to you and I, but I've seen people misunderstand what their account (free vs prem) is allowed to have/do etc. so I asked for clarification, even tho the pessimist in me knows it's futile and some people will still see only what they want to see.
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First off, the "No XP, Double Inf" setting only applies while exemplared. If you're playing at your actual level or sidekicked, it will do nothing.|
Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Ok, question #2.
If I have SG mode on (over level 29) AND I have no xp, double INF on, do I: 1) Get 100% INF (50%x2) 2) Get 150% INF (100%x2-50%) 3) Something else? I'm assuming #1, but I haven't actually tested this since I don't pay attention to INF anyway. |
There is a "Disable Earning XP" setting that just sets all XP earned to 0. There is no commensurate Inf gain when using this setting, regardless of the option you set under "XP While Exemplared".
"No XP, Double Inf" isn't actually "Double Inf". As others posited, it actually converts your XP earning to Inf at a 1:1 ratio. It's pretty close to double Inf, but not exactly, and enemy groups with bonus or reduced XP rewards can skew it further.
Level 50 characters automatically have their XP converted to Inf while fighting at their native level. Some time ago, testing was done, and it was discovered that exemplared 50s who didn't turn on "No XP, Double Inf" just lost the XP that they were unable to earn. I have no idea if this was considered a bug, or if it was fixed; I haven't gone back and checked in ages.
So, to answer your question: If you're in "No XP, Double Inf" mode - or level 50 - and have Supergroup mode turned on, you will earn something very close to 100% Inf, 100% Prestige.
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Tested on a Level 50 character exemplared to 39, using an even-con Rikti Guardian each time:
SG Mode on, Earn XP: 2,835 Inf, 17 Prestige.
SG Mode on, No XP, Double Inf: 2,835 Inf, 17 Prestige.
SG Mode off, Earn XP: 5,669 Inf.
SG Mode off, No XP, Double Inf: 5,669 Inf.
Looks like whatever used to be odd with exemplared 50s has been fixed.
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I know you have the ability to turn on and off supergroup mode. While in supergroup mode, your supergroup gets prestige. But what is the downside? Is there a reason to ever turn supergroup mode back off?
Before, I thought it would be to get the symbol and colors off, but you can fix that in your settings anyway. So outside changing your costume, what's the downside to SG mode?