Would you like to see this X-men reboot?
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Posted on: 2012-06-07 20:45 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Terrible.
Some thoughts on it. Jean crushing on Kitty? No. Taking Scott away from Emma or Jean is basically OMD all over again.
Let's turn Cyclops into the emo useless guy? Nevermind Cyclops is suppossed to basically be on par with Captain America when it comes to tactics/leadership ability.
Also, I think the X-Men work great in a world of other superheroes...if they do it right! The problem with X-Men isn't that they're in a world with other superheroes. The problem is the writers/editors neglect that part of the storyline 99% of the time.
And the change to Jean? What? Really? You have a strong female character and he wants to turn her into that?
Also, let's keep Storms 80's look in the 80's.
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The problem, I'd say, is that the racism analogy doesn't work well when you have a bunch of other superheroes running around who aren't ostracized for having powers/being different. Of course, I'd be perfectly happy with dropping that aspect of the X-Men.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Also, I think the X-Men work great in a world of other superheroes...if they do it right! The problem with X-Men isn't that they're in a world with other superheroes. The problem is the writers/editors neglect that part of the storyline 99% of the time.
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The X-Men always seemed be off in their own little corner of the Marvel Universe doing their own thing aside from Wolverine. They really do work better in their own universe than as part of a greater superpowered universe, especially with the whole racism angle. How would the average person know that Spider-man is not a mutant but Iceman is? Why would they even make the distinction as they're both super powered metahumans running around being vigilantes with no oversight.
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Some of them are ostracized, Spider-Man being the biggest example. Most of the others aren't ostracized because the general public knows they're not mutants but rather got their powers in some sort of accident. (Which is part of why the public fears Spider-Man, because most people think he is a mutant. That, and JJJ's decades-long smear campaign.) That's the difference. The point of X-Men is that h0m0 (seriously, forum software??) sapiens feels threatened by the rise of h0m0 superior, not just because they're different.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
The problem, I'd say, is that the racism analogy doesn't work well when you have a bunch of other superheroes running around who aren't ostracized for having powers/being different. Of course, I'd be perfectly happy with dropping that aspect of the X-Men.
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And on the flip side, you have the Civil war storyline, where the entire point was a movement that desired the registration of not just mutants but all super-powered beings, which is as logical an extension of anti-mutant paranoia as you're gonna get.
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Anyone could say they're a "god" or got their powers from an accident of science. The distinction just doesn't work. Thus, the only way the racism angle works is if all people with powers suffer...|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Some of them are ostracized, Spider-Man being the biggest example. Most of the others aren't ostracized because the general public knows they're not mutants but rather got their powers in some sort of accident. (Which is part of why the public fears Spider-Man, because most people think he is a mutant. That, and JJJ's decades-long smear campaign.) That's the difference. The point of X-Men is that h0m0 (seriously, forum software??) sapiens feels threatened by the rise of h0m0 superior, not just because they're different.
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| And on the flip side, you have the Civil war storyline, where the entire point was a movement that desired the registration of not just mutants but all super-powered beings, which is as logical an extension of anti-mutant paranoia as you're gonna get. |
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A large part of what makes the X-Men racism angle work is suspension of disbelief and an understanding of the between the panels moments. You have scientists, preachers, and politicians talking up mutants as usurping humanity's place in the world. Some embrace it (like any racial/sexual/religious argument) other vehemently and violently oppose it (just like any racial/sexual/religious argument).|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Anyone could say they're a "god" or got their powers from an accident of science. The distinction just doesn't work. Thus, the only way the racism angle works is if all people with powers suffer...
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Not all mutants are hated, some find widespread acceptance (i.e. Firestar, Beast, Storm) but not all mutants are superheroes. The ones that are in tights are the spokespeople for mutants, they are not the ones humanity necessarily fears. It's the ones that hide their gifts, or the ones like the Morlocks who stay in the sewers and have bizarre inhuman appearances that humanity really fear. The idea of a god next door, or a monster under the bed. If the X-Men were the only mutants in the world, then the whole racism thing wouldn't work. IMO that's why the current extinction angle is wearing thin for me. It seems all the mutants left are super heroes now, and it takes away from the analogy that mutants represent the minority in whatever the political/social climate of the world was at the time.
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They needed to thin the herd of how many mutants there used to be. They were just having WAY to many mutants around. They werent a small subsection of the populace, they had become a good section of the populace, with multiple cities/towns of mutants, multiple gangs of mutants in all cities, ect ect.|
Originally Posted by ThrowDown_Kid
A large part of what makes the X-Men racism angle work is suspension of disbelief and an understanding of the between the panels moments. You have scientists, preachers, and politicians talking up mutants as usurping humanity's place in the world. Some embrace it (like any racial/sexual/religious argument) other vehemently and violently oppose it (just like any racial/sexual/religious argument).
Not all mutants are hated, some find widespread acceptance (i.e. Firestar, Beast, Storm) but not all mutants are superheroes. The ones that are in tights are the spokespeople for mutants, they are not the ones humanity necessarily fears. It's the ones that hide their gifts, or the ones like the Morlocks who stay in the sewers and have bizarre inhuman appearances that humanity really fear. The idea of a god next door, or a monster under the bed. If the X-Men were the only mutants in the world, then the whole racism thing wouldn't work. IMO that's why the current extinction angle is wearing thin for me. It seems all the mutants left are super heroes now, and it takes away from the analogy that mutants represent the minority in whatever the political/social climate of the world was at the time. |
Also, the mutants not being the only superheroes works, but only if they keep it in mind when writing for the other comics.
Spidey, put a bit of a reminder in that people think he's a mutant.
If the other heroes can have a doubt to them, have it brought up as well.
Fantastic Four, they're known not to be mutants so they're fine, and likely having a son with mutant powers make him okay, as people will trust the FF and their family.
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I agree that there was way too many. I think Grant Morrison did a pretty good job making that number smaller though. I think M-Day was a bit overboard though.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
They needed to thin the herd of how many mutants there used to be. They were just having WAY to many mutants around. They werent a small subsection of the populace, they had become a good section of the populace, with multiple cities/towns of mutants, multiple gangs of mutants in all cities, ect ect.
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I think I'd like Storm's American father to be acknowledged more period.
She was born in the U.S. her mother is from Kenya. Her parents were killed while her father was on assignment in Egypt.
American...dangit.
I don't know why it annoys me so much, but it does.
Soooo... what.
X-Men Hipster Force? I'll pass. The art is good, but the theme is garbage.
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I think that sums up this whole thing.
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Would be nice!
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Originally Posted by Hqnk
I think I'd like Storm's American father to be acknowledged more period.
She was born in the U.S. her mother is from Kenya. Her parents were killed while her father was on assignment in Egypt. American...dangit. I don't know why it annoys me so much, but it does. |
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Originally Posted by ketch
Aaron Diaz of the webcomic Dresden Codak has done a bit of brain storming on how he would reboot the X-men franchise. It's a fairly interesting take and something I think a few of you might enjoy taking a look at here: http://dresdencodak.tumblr.com/post/...s-x-men-reboot
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Yuck.
It's weird.
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Look at the multitude of Batman shows and movie franchises we've had.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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Granted, it's been something like 15 years (maybe more!) since I've been a major X-head, but neither the art, nor the story concepts are all that appealing.
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