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Ew. I would bug that. Hell, I would PM that to rednames. Being in there should not result in that.
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Originally Posted by Bright
Heh. Two of us on one of our successful runs yesterday got THREADS, because we happened to have been killing the portal to get out of dreamspace when Tyrant went down. In spite of having been busting our respective ***** for the entire rest of the trial.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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I was on a successful trial where it ended while I was in the hospital. Rare. Let's not not start spreading false rumors please.
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Originally Posted by Bright
Heh. Two of us on one of our successful runs yesterday got THREADS, because we happened to have been killing the portal to get out of dreamspace when Tyrant went down. In spite of having been busting our respective ***** for the entire rest of the trial.
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I personally ran 5 of them in a row when the issue hit, and only the first failed at the end. Once everyone was doing what they were supposed to, it wasn't difficult at all.
The nice part is that you get emp merits every time you run it no matter what.
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The problem seems to be if even a few people are new, dont follow direction dont do everything perfect it falls apart quickly and you cant finish.|
Originally Posted by JayboH
I personally ran 5 of them in a row when the issue hit, and only the first failed at the end. Once everyone was doing what they were supposed to, it wasn't difficult at all.
The nice part is that you get emp merits every time you run it no matter what. |
You have no room for error, no room to carry bads, disconects, new players, etc.
This means its always going to have a high failure rate even when people know what they are doing.
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Originally Posted by Neuronia
That said, you can just farm the first part for IXP, disband, re-form and farm the first part for IXP again until everyone has Hybrid slotted. I'm expecting this to be SOP until Hybrid is well-slotted. |
I'd say this is half the problem right here. I've started this trial 5 times and have yet to complete one because half the team quits after the first phase. Even starting my own doesn't help because they still quit.
That more than the difficulty demonstrates bad design. Don't front load the farmable part. Duh.
There's some room for error, but being proactive can solve most of those problems. The trial is also pretty new, so we should hold judging it as too hard or too easy for two weeks. Give everyone a chance to try it out and discover if it's too further up beyond Underground/MoM trial difficulty.
And if you're on Virtue, you're welcome to come join my runs. I'll level with you, though - I think I owe my high success rate to playing this in the background. Try it for yourself!
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See, I don't think we know this. We're too new at it. We're doing a lot of stuff sub-optimally. When the people who are going to get it down pat do get it down pat, there will almost certainly be more room for new players, DCs, etc. (I don't know what a "bad" is. If it's a bad player whose excuse isn't that they're new ... I'm not sure I have a ton of pity for them.)|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
The problem seems to be if even a few people are new, dont follow direction dont do everything perfect it falls apart quickly and you cant finish.
You have no room for error, no room to carry bads, disconects, new players, etc. |
This trial is not, by and large, like some of the others where what one person does can screw it up for everyone else. Dying does seem to heal Cole, so if there are a bunch of people getting dead a lot, that'll be a problem. One person could conceivably screw it up if they are die just enough to counter the team's DPS too much, but that seems like enough of an edge case that I'm not concerned.
If people have PCs or internet connections that can't allow them to move fast enough for the lightning, I have some pity for them, but not enough to ask the devs not to create challenges that require us to move.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Doesnt really seem to matter.
Everyones farming it now, even full trials cant get started because either
a) not enough interest
b) people bailing after the 250
Id recomend everyone farm now this will probably get changed tuesday.
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EVERY time. Yep. Every single time. "It's the worst trail ever! It's impossible to complete!" Blah blah blah. One week later... everyone's content.
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Originally Posted by TonyV
I've seen this complaint about almost everything that's not trivially easy in the game. Hamidon trial, every iTrial, STF and LRTF, etc.
And within a couple of weeks, people eventually figure it out and they pretty much never fail. So yeah, color me not worried. |
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I'm expecting repeats of these silly threads with each new Battalion Trial too, especially the showdown one where we stop the Coming Storm - and then the weeping begins all over again with the Trials against the new threat after the Battalion 
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Or gives up on running them. If everyone was "content" with the trials, we wouldn't have gotten Dark Astoria.|
Originally Posted by Organica
Blah blah blah. One week later... everyone's content.
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(Edit: Not to mention the trials that have gotten nerfed because everyone was so "content" with them)
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Originally Posted by Organica
EVERY time. Yep. Every single time. "It's the worst trail ever! It's impossible to complete!" Blah blah blah. One week later... everyone's content.
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Whatever one may think of this trial, I don't agree with that characterization of the other trials at all.
Around 50% of the trials had their content revised or their reward structures altered to entice to people to play them after their release. UG, MoM, TPN, and Keyes were all unmitigated busts upon their debut and were only revised specifically because people were avoiding them.
But that's not all. The developers also planned to nerf BAF and Lambda rewards, precisely because we were all avoiding the other trials in favor of those 2. That change actually made it past the planning stage and into a beta, and was removed when players flipped their tops.
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I get the feelings we will see occasional farms other than that the trial will dry up unless Tyrant gets nerf .
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Originally Posted by JKCarrier
Or gives up on running them. If everyone was "content" with the trials, we wouldn't have gotten Dark Astoria.
(Edit: Not to mention the trials that have gotten nerfed because everyone was so "content" with them) |
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Freedumb are a little slow. Today they were.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Won't be long? People were doing that yesterday.
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There is no way around this when you have enemies that give ixp like all those extras outside on the LAM that people skip....|
Originally Posted by Antigonus
I'd say this is half the problem right here. I've started this trial 5 times and have yet to complete one because half the team quits after the first phase. Even starting my own doesn't help because they still quit.
That more than the difficulty demonstrates bad design. Don't front load the farmable part. Duh. |
They made their bed when they refused to listen to the reasonable requests made during BETA not to have the MAG be the sole source of Hybrid ixp.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I haven't even seen most of the trial because some bonehead on the dev team decided to front-load the rewards. Combined with the apparent difficulty and the fact that it's the only way to get Hybrid, they might as well have put a neon flashing message on it saying "farm me please".
Between that and the Night Ward content, this patch is sloppy as hell. Oh look, more enemies who just use player powersets with no regard to balance. I'm currently tabbed out and waiting for Ward to regen his health so I can take out the second of three EBs the game spontaneously dropped on me, despite the fact that Ward is not equipped to deal with it. This slapdash design of new content is beyond pissing me off, nostalgia and my love of old content is the only thing keeping me here. Whoever is in charge of new content can go jump in a lake, I've lost faith.
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Originally Posted by AkuTenshiiZero
Whoever is in charge of new content can go jump in a lake, I've lost faith.
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Hell...it's hard to get on a full run now, they're all farms..Not that I'm complaining mind you, unlocked Hybrid on two characters in less than an hour on farms (12 league members) on full trial 24 man runs it would have taken 2/3 times as long. Very broken reward system IMO.
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Another possible fix would be to add a 20 hour cooldown on earning the Hybrid slot IXP if Tyrant wasn't brought under 50% health.
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Im expecting something like this, thats why Im farming all my characters now.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Another possible fix would be to add a 20 hour cooldown on earning the Hybrid slot IXP if Tyrant wasn't brought under 50% health.
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It wont happen before tuesday.
farm now or pay later.
If this happens first of all players will SCREAM bloody murder, and they will still fail.
Though honestly I dont see this happening without a major major nerf to Tyrant.
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I'm surprised they didn't go that one extra step and add Unique Widgets that are specifically necessary for the ever-annoying crafting part of the equation which you can only get as drops at the completion of the Trial.
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Too many currencies, they dont want to add more currencies.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I'm surprised they didn't go that one extra step and add Unique Widgets that are specifically necessary for the ever-annoying crafting part of the equation which you can only get as drops at the completion of the Trial.
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They are probably going to require at least one success or something like that to unlock the next slot though.
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Adding further types of XP amounts to nearly the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
Too many currencies, they dont want to add more currencies.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
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Not really.. currencies are collected and spent and keeping track of them gets confusing.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Adding further types of XP amounts to nearly the same thing.
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different experience is earned and is then invisible.
It actually is very different and works much better.
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