Mandarin and Iron Patriot in Iron Man 3
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Posted on: 2012-05-30 19:19 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
I repeated my "I was hoping for Foom" comment (see upthread) to someone earlier today, and he claimed that Fin Fang Foom could not appear in a Marvel-produced movie because Sony has the rights to movies featuring any character to appear in the Fantastic Four comic. That seems to me to be a completely incorrect reading of what those licenses provide, aside from the fact that Fin Fang Foom is originally from pre-Thor Journey into Mystery, not Fantastic Four, anyway.
(Of course, the real reason Fin Fang Foom would not appear in a movie is because he's, well, kind of ridiculous. Which is exactly why I feel the Iron Man franchise needs him.)
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Honestly have the movie morons learned anything From Batman Forever and Spider-Man 3 ?
More isn't always better. Look at Spider-Man 2, Which imo, was the best of the 3, due to the fact that it focused on one Villain, and how similar / different Doc Ock and Spider-Man were to each other.
I don't think this is really comparable. I expect Mandarin will be used like Blofield in the early Bond films, just giving out orders to minions from behind the scenes.
In this case, I would guess that Iron Patriot (as a henchman of Mandarin) might be used to attack Chinese* targets, in an attempt to both provoke conflict between the US and China and the US and Tony Stark.
*Iron Man 3 is a Chinese co-production and is known to use Chinese locations.
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I think they need to cast Willem DeFoe as Ozzie Norman, evil CEO of Ozcorp, which has a green flying monkey as its logo. This does double duty of giving us our Cpt. America tie-in because he gets that reference.
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I would believe that if they you know.... they hired a chinese actor to play Mandarin.. but the actor isn't even asian in any way. Wasn't this a reason why people complained about The Last Airbender before any trailer hit? Where are those people now?|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I don't think this is really comparable. I expect Mandarin will be used like Blofield in the early Bond films, just giving out orders to minions from behind the scenes.
In this case, I would guess that Iron Patriot (as a henchman of Mandarin) might be used to attack Chinese* targets, in an attempt to both provoke conflict between the US and China and the US and Tony Stark. *Iron Man 3 is a Chinese co-production and is known to use Chinese locations. |
In any event the guy is a good actor and I hope he does the role justice
for those that didn't read the article
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| Here's what we can CONFIRM as true (and not from some guy working security on an off-lot shoot): The Mandarin (as played by Ben Kingsley) is a villain in the 'Iron Man 3,' but he's more a veiled threat as a silent partner to Guy Pearce's Aldrich Killian. Killian is the man inventing Extremis and putting it into his "Extremis army" of multiple super-powered individuals. |
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I expect that's deliberate, to not offend the Chinese. I think they get a bit tired of being portrayed as evil. So make the Mandarin someone of indeterminate race but with a china-fetish. But you do know Ben Kingsley is most famous for playing an asian - Ghandi.|
Originally Posted by Chrome_Family
I would believe that if they you know.... they hired a chinese actor to play Mandarin.. but the actor isn't even asian in any way.
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Batman Forever and Spider-Man 3 had a lot of things wrong with them, it's entirely unfair and really nonsensical to blame it all on the fact that they each featured more than 1 villain. Spider-Man 3 would not have magically become a better movie if it had only featured Sandman.|
Originally Posted by Dr_Illuminatis
Honestly have the movie morons learned anything From Batman Forever and Spider-Man 3 ?
More isn't always better. Look at Spider-Man 2, Which imo, was the best of the 3, due to the fact that it focused on one Villain, and how similar / different Doc Ock and Spider-Man were to each other. |
I'll withhold my comments on Spider-Man 2.
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I agree with both. They would be bad films anyway, but villain cramming is one of their many faults. But the problem with SM3 isn't really too many villains, three really isn't many. It's failing to choose one as the main antagonist.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Batman Forever and Spider-Man 3 had a lot of things wrong with them, it's entirely unfair and really nonsensical to blame it all on the fact that they each featured more than 1 villain. Spider-Man 3 would not have magically become a better movie if it had only featured Sandman.
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Sam Raimi had originally planned 2 villains from the outset, only instead of Venom we would have gotten The Vulture played by John Malkovich (who had been cast), who was to have been a partner of Sandman who escaped together. Storywise this means we wouldn't have had the emo Peter Parker, no Eddie Brock Jr., played by Topher Grace, and probably no Gwen Stacy. Y'know that doesn't sound like a bad movie.|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I agree with both. They would be bad films anyway, but villain cramming is one of their many faults. But the problem with SM3 isn't really too many villains, three really isn't many. It's failing to choose one as the main antagonist.
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Sam Raimi wouldn't have teamed up Sandman and Venom without being forced to do so, it just doesn't make sense to put two villains in a movie with pretty much the same powers.
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Because being driven insane is kind of part of Doc Ock's character (Green Goblin's too, and to a much greater extent) going all the way back to Amazing Spider-Man #4. I actually liked the character until the end of the movie when he suddenly decides he doesn't want to be a monster anymore and ends up saving Spider-Man (after learning his identity for no reason other than to unnecessarily tie the villain to both Spider-Man and Peter Parker, something that the upcoming movie seems to be following yet again with the Lizard).|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I'm quite happy to comment on SM2. I hated it, because it recycled the "I'm-evil-because-I'm-a-loony" cliche. Which would have been bad even if they hadn't done the exact same thing in SM1. Why couldn't we have an entirely sane, highly intelligent, irredeemably evil Doc Oc?
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I mostly avoid commenting on Spider-Man 2 because it has gotten me into long, exhausting, and ultimately pointless arguments in the past since most people inexplicably liked it, and since I haven't seen the movie in 8 years I kind of don't really care that much anymore.
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I can see where the studio where coming from with that, actually. Sandman is a fairly obscure, slightly silly and unappealing character (I certainly didn't like the movie version).|
Originally Posted by Innovator
Sam Raimi had originally planned 2 villains from the outset, only instead of Venom we would have gotten The Vulture played by John Malkovich (who had been cast), who was to have been a partner of Sandman who escaped together. Storywise this means we wouldn't have had the emo Peter Parker, no Eddie Brock Jr., played by Topher Grace, and probably no Gwen Stacy. Y'know that doesn't sound like a bad movie.
Sam Raimi wouldn't have teamed up Sandman and Venom without being forced to do so, it just doesn't make sense to put two villains in a movie with pretty much the same powers. |
Venom is a better known, more popular, and potentially more interesting character (with spin-off potential). I can see why the studio wanted a Venom movie. The trouble is Rami, instead of quitting in favour of someone who actually wanted to do a Venom movie, just sulked and did it badly.
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Not what I remember. Whist genuine insanity is certainly core to the Green Goblin's persona, Doc Ock is just a straight forward mad scientist, without the completely irrational and self destructive i've-been-taken-over-by-my-tentacle-AI nonsense.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Because being driven insane is kind of part of Doc Ock's character (Green Goblin's too, and to a much greater extent) going all the way back to Amazing Spider-Man #4.
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It's not just the insanity that's a direct repeat of the first film, it the going-insane-as-part-of-gaining-superpowers which was a direct repeat.
I mean three Spiderman movies and not one absurdly complex plot for world domination to foil!?
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I do see your point. Personally I always thought Doc Ock was a Mad Scientist without the moral constraints that similar types like Reed Richards and Tony Stark follow.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Because being driven insane is kind of part of Doc Ock's character (Green Goblin's too, and to a much greater extent) going all the way back to Amazing Spider-Man #4. I actually liked the character until the end of the movie when he suddenly decides he doesn't want to be a monster anymore and ends up saving Spider-Man (after learning his identity for no reason other than to unnecessarily tie the villain to both Spider-Man and Peter Parker, something that the upcoming movie seems to be following yet again with the Lizard).
I mostly avoid commenting on Spider-Man 2 because it has gotten me into long, exhausting, and ultimately pointless arguments in the past since most people inexplicably liked it, and since I haven't seen the movie in 8 years I kind of don't really care that much anymore. |
I just liked it due to the fact that Peter and Otto were similar, yet each chose a different path. Unfortunately they kind of copped out on the ending (as you pointed out) that it was the Mechanical arms A.I. that was making him evil.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
I mostly avoid commenting on Spider-Man 2 because it has gotten me into long, exhausting, and ultimately pointless arguments in the past since most people inexplicably liked it, and since I haven't seen the movie in 8 years I kind of don't really care that much anymore.
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So according to this Iron Patriot may not be in Iron Man 3. Speculation states that it is actually the War Machine armor with a very patriotic color scheme.
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So according to this Iron Patriot may not be in Iron Man 3. Speculation states that it is actually the War Machine armor with a very patriotic color scheme.
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War Machine is black/white, he should really stay that way.
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Since Rhodes is a serving officer in the USAF, his armour really should display USAF insignia. However, I think this is taking it a bit far.
As I pointed out elsewhere, this outfit is predominantly blue, wheras the Iron Patriot armour from the comics is predominantly red.
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It will probably just wind up as a quick joke. The government tries to create their own version of Captain America (ie poster child, not another super soldier). They will want a patriotic symbol that is under their control, not working for some independent international agency. Tony will make some joke about a Cap wannabe. Rhodey will grumble that it wasn't his idea.
At some point War Machine will get hit with a flame thrower or something similar that burns off all the paint. At which point he will make some comment like "That's more like it. Time to get down to business."
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Well the thinking with War Machine being all dolled up is because of Captain America....The US Government felt like the could slap some paint on War Machine and make it look purty.... I say get your money grubbing hands off my suit!
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For some reason, I would like to see the following quote from Iron Man in the next movie.
I know Captain America. Captain America is a friend of mine. You sir, are no Captain America.
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