Mandarin and Iron Patriot in Iron Man 3
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Posted on: 2012-05-30 19:19 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
A couple things.
First, it looks like they're bastardizing two more characters from the comics into one. That was the one thing I hated about Iron Man 2. Granted, I can understand why they would 'have' to in this instance, legal reasons and all... but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
Second, you have to wonder just how many 'guys in imitation Iron Man suits' will they be able to throw at Tony Stark (...rhetorical question, I know there is at least half a dozen...) and how soon before that formula gets stale and backfires causing it to have an impact on future Avengers projects?
Don't get me wrong, I love the look and concept of the Iron Patriot, I'd just rather not see him wasted as a background character. Norman Osborn was the man, Eric Savin... not so much...
However, none of this will stop me from seeing Iron Man 3 when it is released.
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I was thinking of Osborn as well. Personally, if your gonna use the armor might as well bring in the one who wore it.
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As the article says, they can't. Sony owns rights to Norman Osborne.
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Originally Posted by LegionAlpha
I was thinking of Osborn as well. Personally, if your gonna use the armor might as well bring in the one who wore it.
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Nice. Lovin' the suit. Looking forward to this.
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Seems Iron Patriot is merged with "Coldblood-7".
Proliferation of the Iron Man suit tech seems likely to be a theme in the movie series, with Extrimis being a way to maintain Tony Stark's uniqueness.
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I could see Iron Man 4 being a combination of Armor Wars and Demon in a Bottle, at this rate.
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I don't get why movies are always so frenzied to cram everything possible into each film and rush, rush, rush through the mythologies of the comics they portray.
but Mandarin is thee iconic Iron Man baddie and I look forward to seeing how they translate him to the movie-verse.
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Probably going to end up as a soldier or someone working with experimental Iron Patriot armor and then getting exposed to the Extremus.
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Darn. I was still hoping for Fin Fang Foom.
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Darn. I was still hoping for Fin Fang Foom.
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Probably going to end up as a soldier or someone working with experimental Iron Patriot armor and then getting exposed to the Extremus.
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1. the first movie mentions the 10 rings organization, obvious Mandarin reference.
2. Justin Hammer in IM2 is part of the 10 rings, not specifically stated but more then likely.
3. Hammer got his hands on the IM Mark 2 armor that Rhodey took from Tony and weaponized it into the WAR MACHINE armor. This means Hammer has the tech specs on the armor and likely analyzed its software as well.
4. Hammer sends this data to the 10 rings organization.
5. Mandarin builds the Iron Patriot armor based on that data and Eric Savin suits up in it.
However despite modifications, the Iron Patriot is still based on data from the Mark 2 armor, Tony went through the Mark 6 and then Mark 7 armors in Avengers so for IM 3 he is at least up to the Mark 8. Each new model likely contains upgrades and improvements so Tony should still have an advantage unless his enemy has taken Extremis. If such is the case, then Tony himself takes Extremis and augments himself (and purges the shrapnel from his heart) and then using his boosted intellect and data processing capacity he builds a new armor and goes after his enemies.
Just speculation of course.
For people who have seen the recent movies but not read the comics, I can't help thinking they will think Iron Patriot looks like Capt. America's outfit.
Intentional or poor judgement? Time will tell.
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Considering that in the comics, that was exactly the point, I would assume that it's also the point in the movie.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
For people who have seen the recent movies but not read the comics, I can't help thinking they will think Iron Patriot looks like Capt. America's outfit.
Intentional or poor judgement? Time will tell. |
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That requires some work with the CA story to work though. IM3 is the first film after Avengers. So does the world know CA is back following events in The Avengers, and what is his status? This will need to be addressed in some way if someone is going to show up using his iconography.|
Originally Posted by Quasadu
Considering that in the comics, that was exactly the point, I would assume that it's also the point in the movie.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is it would make IM3 a CA story as well as an IM story.
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It was addressed at the end of the Avengers - it was all over the news.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
That requires some work with the CA story to work though. IM3 is the first film after Avengers. So does the world know CA is back following events in The Avengers, and what is his status? This will need to be addressed in some way if someone is going to show up using his iconography.
I guess what I'm trying to say is it would make IM3 a CA story as well as an IM story. |
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Not really. The only interviews and the wall painting where Tony Stark/Iron Man. Whilst there where some brief news footage of Captain America, I don't believe there was any official identification, so as far as the world knows it could have been anyone in that costume. And the cop he spoke to had no idea who he was, despite the uniform.
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Originally Posted by Quasadu
It was addressed at the end of the Avengers - it was all over the news.
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Does the world need to know that it's Steve Rogers, though? Does that matter? They know it's Captain America, whether they know it's the same guy from 1944 or not. The waitress says, "Captain America saved my life."
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Not really. The only interviews and the wall painting where Tony Stark/Iron Man. Whilst there where some brief news footage of Captain America, I don't believe there was any official identification, so as far as the world knows it could have been anyone in that costume. And the cop he spoke to had no idea who he was, despite the uniform.
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But it's still hearsay/rumour, leaving Cap's status in the air. Something you would expect to be addressed in CA2, but someone turning up using that iconography forces the question to be addressed in IM3.|
Originally Posted by Quasadu
Does the world need to know that it's Steve Rogers, though? Does that matter? They know it's Captain America, whether they know it's the same guy from 1944 or not. The waitress says, "Captain America saved my life."
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And what is Steve going to do when he sees that outfit on the TV?
It certainly matters if it's "the same guy or not" when some other guy, presumably villainous, starts running around in a very similar outfit.
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I don't think you have to get into the nitty gritty. The world knows that a hero going by the name Captain America and dressed like the Captain America of WWII is out there and that he helped save the world along with Iron Man. That is all that needs to be understood to know that combining the imagery of Iron Man and Captain America in one person is going to instantly draw a particular kind of positive reaction from the public.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
But it's still hearsay/rumour, leaving Cap's status in the air. Something you would expect to be addressed in CA2, but someone turning up using that iconography forces the question to be addressed in IM3.
And what is Steve going to do when he sees that outfit on the TV? It certainly matters if it's "the same guy or not" when some other guy, presumably villainous, starts running around in a very similar outfit. |
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Sure. The public will assume it's the same guy.|
Originally Posted by Quasadu
I don't think you have to get into the nitty gritty. The world knows that a hero going by the name Captain America and dressed like the Captain America of WWII is out there and that he helped save the world along with Iron Man. That is all that needs to be understood to know that combining the imagery of Iron Man and Captain America in one person is going to instantly draw a particular kind of positive reaction from the public.
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But it's not going to draw a positive (or ignore) reaction from Steve Rogers.
And it's not going to have zero impact on how the public react to the real Captain America in CA2.
Thus, it becomes a significant part of Cap's arc.
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That's potentially true, it just depends on how it is handled in the story. For all we know, the Iron Patriot thing could only happen in the last ten minutes of the movie and Steve and the general public never have enough time to form an opinion about it before Tony smacks him down. Or maybe Steve's 'out of town' for the whole movie and while there's a huge public reaction, that is resolved by the end of the film so that the public knows that it was just some ****** trying to capitalize on the image and wasn't really Cap. Or maybe it DOES have spillover into the next Cap movie. We just don't know.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Sure. The public will assume it's the same guy.
But it's not going to draw a positive (or ignore) reaction from Steve Rogers. And it's not going to have zero impact on how the public react to the real Captain America in CA2. Thus, it becomes a significant part of Cap's arc. |
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I've only read a little about the Iron Patriot from wiki and Marvel's website, none of which mention a connection to Captain America other than the armor looks similar to his suit. For some reason I thought it was worn by IM in honor of Cap after he died, guess I dreamed that.
Is that really where the connection ends? I think if everyone sees this in trailers they're going to assume the suit is closely related to Cap, only to find out its some obscure Marvel villain named "Coldblood 7", that's disappointing.
Also, Kevin Feige said the upcoming solo movies will be very much that, solo. Don't expect a lot of cross-overs until the next Avengers which I'm sure the solo movies will be working towards. Best we can hope for is some cameos but I'm betting that's it.
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As I recall (and it's been a while, so I could be off) the whole point of the Dark Avengers was that they wanted to appear to be the good guys, so they took on the personas of the real Avengers. Norman Osborne took on two personas at once - Iron Man and Captain America - as the Iron Patriot. It was kind of a way of bringing together the two sides of the Civil War by merging the opposing leaders of that conflict.
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Originally Posted by Lightslinger
I've only read a little about the Iron Patriot from wiki and Marvel's website, none of which mention a connection to Captain America other than the armor looks similar to his suit. For some reason I thought it was worn by IM in honor of Cap after he died, guess I dreamed that.
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According to this the Mandarin is confirmed to be the villain in Iron Man 3. Also the Iron Patriot armor will be in it.
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