So what to do with Tyrant?
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Posted on: 2012-05-30 14:48 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I would put a bullet in his brain especially if a supernatural entity said he was the only thing standing between earth and the Battalion. Said entities (along with dimension-hopping time-travelling "you should listen to me cause I've been around and I know stuff" guys) don't exactly have a great track record when it comes to big decisions.|
Originally Posted by Venture
I would put a bullet in Tyrant's brain even if the supernatural entity of your choice said it was a certain fact that he was the only thing standing between earth and the Battalion.
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Originally Posted by Venture
I actually like some, like Crimson, but then he's clearly being played by Samuel M**********ing Jackson.
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Shouldn't tyrant just be a 'peak human' at most, now that his connection is severed? I did not understand how he still had his powers after you severed his connection since he never had powers before, but then again chimera is 'just' human but can make himself glow red and fight incarnates
Any word on if any of the other people left died along with chimera, or did we 'capture' them too? Why is there no extra text from prommie after slogging through that trial? D:<
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Originally Posted by Venture
Yeah, actually, no, there weren't. One of the most mishandled Tweeests ever.
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When Aurora volunteered to host Praetor Tilman's consciousness, Scott didn't believe it. His wife wouldn't have done such a thing without at least talking to him first. He questioned the Praetor about his wife's decision, but those questions were ignored by both Praetor Tilman and Emperor Cole. Shortly after he questioned the Emperor, Calvin found himself admitted to the Mother of Mercy Psychiatric Hospital by the Emperor's decree and placed under Tilman's personal care. Tormented by the demon wearing his wife's body, something inside Calvin—a sensation he had never really felt before—rose to the surface: a pure, burning rage. A chance attack by Resistance forces led to Calvin's unexpected escape from the facility. He joined up with the rebels and fled with them into the tunnels beneath Imperial City. Most of the others that had escaped were shells of their former selves. They were men and women who no longer remembered their families, loved ones, or even their names. All that was left inside these former patients' thoughts were memories of their time in the Psychiatric Hospital, each one more horrible than the last. It was in the company of these half-starved, desperate fugitives that Calvin Scott found his calling. |
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Briefing Character. Good to hear from you. What's your current situation? You're working with Cleopatra, right? Right. There's a bombing plot happening at the hospital Yes, I'm aware of that. Double Barrel is working with some of the Syndicate to set it up. You may think it's extreme, but sometimes these things have to be done to move progress forward against Cole's regime. Are you out of your mind? Blowing up a hospital is progress? Out of my mind? No, I'm not out of my mind, Pharaoan Guard, I'm just focused on what has to be done. The people need to see that Cole is fallible, that Cole is just a man. A blow to the hospital would show that Cole can't protect the people from everything. But, not today. What's more important is keeping your cover, and your cover involves saving that hospital. We need you deep in the Loyalists, Pharaoan Guard, and sometimes that means making sacrifices. When you take down Double Barrel, make sure to plant some tracking bugs on him - that way we can see where they take him and bust him out later on. Alright, Scott. |
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Washington is probably going to kill her. He's a cunning man, he knows that Marauder will do anything he can to prove her 'innocence'. Even so, it means that everything she does will be looked at with a suspicious eye. Help Washington and kill Cleopatra. What? She's one of us, Scott! She is. That is why she will understand why this has to happen. She was weak and paranoid, Character. Cleopatra let her guard down when she gave you those bugs and endangered all of us by making that decision to kill you. She made her choice, and we've made ours. We can't allow her to go on. Kill her, and take her place as our agent seeded deep within the Loyalists. Make sure to not make the same mistake that she did, Character. This isn't a game - I'll do whatever it takes to bring Cole down and get my wife back, even if it means having to deal with those who become weak in the face of our goal. |
Do I need to mention First Ward? Where Scott's first reaction to the Liberated Ghouls refusing to join the Resistance was to have them all mercilessly slaughtered because they were a possible "liability."
If his behavior wasn't a clear showing of his own instability, then I don't know what else is.
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Indeed, but I avoided that as it came out at the same time as the MoM trial.
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Originally Posted by Issen
Do I need to mention First Ward? Where Scott's first reaction to the Liberated Ghouls refusing to join the Resistance was to have them all mercilessly slaughtered because they were a possible "liability."
If his behavior wasn't a clear showing of his own instability, then I don't know what else is. |
I think that crazy Calvin's story isn't over yet, and it's quite possible that we might meet him again in I24.
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Come to think of it, I really wish this had been addressed in the game.
Wouldn't it be nice if when you complete the Magistrarium trail, you'd unlock a non-combat solo mission where you meet the defeated Tyrant? Purely a lore mission, like the personal stories, but it would let us see what happened to Tyrant, and maybe find out what he knows. Plus, it'd be a nice way to end the story you get when playing in Praetoria, especially for the loyalists who got to tell Tyrant off as they left.
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That could be dealt with in I24 - that deals with the aftermath of the loyalist defeat.|
Originally Posted by McNum
Come to think of it, I really wish this had been addressed in the game.
Wouldn't it be nice if when you complete the Magistrarium trail, you'd unlock a non-combat solo mission where you meet the defeated Tyrant? Purely a lore mission, like the personal stories, but it would let us see what happened to Tyrant, and maybe find out what he knows. Plus, it'd be a nice way to end the story you get when playing in Praetoria, especially for the loyalists who got to tell Tyrant off as they left. |
Calvin's storyline also needs some kind of closure, so depending on how he's recovered from the news about Aurora, he might need to be taken down too - Belladonna's arc hints that there's been a split in the Resisatnce since the revelations about Aurora and Calvin.
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I hope so, but really, my biggest gripe with the trials in general is that the lore gets lost in all the noise.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That could be dealt with in I24 - that deals with the aftermath of the loyalist defeat.
Calvin's storyline also needs some kind of closure, so depending on how he's recovered from the news about Aurora, he might need to be taken down too - Belladonna's arc hints that there's been a split in the Resisatnce since the revelations about Aurora and Calvin. |
I do like trials, even though I thought I wouldn't, a multicolored swarm of superpowered characters doing superpowered stuff is inherently cool. But the "Why" gets lost really easily in the thunder and fury of the average trial. I mean, I know what the story is, I read up on it outside the game, but that's just the problem. "Outside the game." Even big blue Prometheus is kind of cryptic on the hows and whys.
Now, I know not everyone is as big on lore as I am, which is fine. Some people just want to farm BAF until their left mouse button falls off. Fair enough, it's one way to play. I'd have liked if each big trial had a companion small solo mission you unlock by having the completion badge, to show what happened and what effects the trial had. With the personal mission tech, they could even let us play a villain. Playing Mother Mayhem as she learns about the failure at BAF would be fun, for instance. But there are plenty of characters on both sides of the war that would be fun viewpoints for an aftermath mission.
Hm, this is turning into a suggestion thread now. Maybe I should let the idea crystallize and post a proper suggestion later.
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To that point, "natural" metahumans in the City universe can do some pretty supernatural things. Basically, the "natural" moniker applied to an Earth human just means they figured out how to be super without a genetic mutation or some outside influence granting it to them.|
Originally Posted by G_Savior
Shouldn't tyrant just be a 'peak human' at most, now that his connection is severed? I did not understand how he still had his powers after you severed his connection since he never had powers before, but then again chimera is 'just' human but can make himself glow red and fight incarnates.
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While Cole's story suggests that he went "from zero to hero" by tapping into the Well, it might make sense that even without its connection he could now know have unlocked the same of potential that any vanilla level 50 Natural Origin hero (or villain) would have. He would just have gotten there kind of backwards.
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I think he probably turned a blind eye to it, in the name of the "greater good". Without the Praetors, the DE might have prevailed in the war. After the war, without the Praetors out projecting Cole's will in multiple ways and places, humanity might not have toed the line Cole felt was needed to satisfy the Hamidon.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Grey
Actually, he was KEENLY aware.
He just thought he could reign them in. Or that their proclivities would be minor and wouldn't make much of an impact. |
Emperor Cole wasn't a nice guy. He happened to have at least one laudable goal - preserving humanity in the face of the Hamidon's desire to exterminate them, but even if we grant him slack for having that to face, the extremity of his means seem to have crept beyond the end he sought to achieve.
Do we know he actually survives the Magisterium fight? I've found the Incarnate content notable for making it explicit that we've killed most (all?) of the Praetors.
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Sorry to derail the tangent we're on, but I have a couple more ideas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxvlKp-76io
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znrjbo9QRLk
Force him to listen to one of these songs for all eternity!
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Yes... the Word of God, i.e. the Devs, stated that he's now our prisoner.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Do we know he actually survives the Magisterium fight? I've found the Incarnate content notable for making it explicit that we've killed most (all?) of the Praetors.
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