Medicine pool

*reads first page*

See what I'm talking about? The way the pools are are to deter elitist min/maxers who think everything should benefit them for no cost or sacrifice.

Frankly, I'd sooner suggest changing Stimulant into something like Stim-Field, a Targeted AoE mez protection/resistance that has a long interrupt period. Basically, if you have an ally, you can give your teammate(s) and yourself some temporary protection before a tough fight. Does it help a Scrapper? Who cares...something like that would actually do the *whole game* some good.

I'd agree to something like that too.

Dz131 I have no idea why people are giving you so much grief. Some people don't want free cake in case it makes them fat.

In general though, having a self effecting power of any kind hidden behind powers that only effect others is a bad idea, because people who want each type of power often have different mindsets. T1 should have one of stim/aid other plus aid self, and the other of stim/aid other should be swapped to T2.

No real change for anyone who want to help the team, but a great benefit to those looking for a heal.

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

This sums up my opinions on Medicine totally. Which is exactly why I think Aid Other has more value than Aid Self. If I'm getting pounded enough to need Aid, I probably can't get it to fire. But, if I'm def capped, or even close to it, my support squishy might very well not be. And might be getting rocked even when I'm not. I might quite plausibly be able to fire off an Aid Other, which could give me time to then kill off whatever is threatening said squishy.


And yeah, the Presence Pool would feel left out. Er, more left out... I have taken Presence only once that I can recall on a non-MM. To have a pool that pretty much only ever appeals to 1 AT is problematic.

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Originally Posted by PrincessDarkstar I just can't see that happening in the real game though. I don't think it is worth it even on a defence capped toon most of the time, and a lot of the min/max scrappers in particular dropped it and tried to get more regen instead because it takes so long to use. Good regen coming from Melee Hybrid might cause even more people to drop it (I know I plan on using Hybrid as a heal if it stays the same). If you aren't softcapped you can't use it that well so low level characters shouldn't be able to use it too effectively either. Also even at T1 it competes with Combat Jumping, Hasten, Boxing (Sadly a needed pick mostly), Hover (Wouldn't blast without it) and Maneuvers/Tactics which are all good powers so it still wouldn't be a shoe in. It probably would make the Presence pool feel a bit left out, but that is a good pool for MM's so has a place (Since they were designed as tanks and then not given taunts ...).

If it were up to me I'd personally make the first three powers of EVERY pool selectable as the first choice and add a 5th power... a pretty tempting one in some cases, to the pools that don't have a 5th.

In medicine's case I'd probably add a self stim power that works like a break free with a recharge time. I think something like that would be very popular among the non status protection having crowd and to get that cherry still necessitates picking up a second power in the set

In Fighting's case I'd probably add a passive with minor +end discount +defense debuff resistance +status resistance. Not a huge boon at the top of the tree but it's already such a great pool that it doesn't need something uber at the end. With that said even a minor passive like I suggest would be tempting since it allows those without any debuff resistance to get a little, an end discount can be welcome by many especially those running many toggles, and status resistance, while often shrugged at, is still something that increases survivability. As I said MINOR passive so not big numbers but I bet it would still be a popular choice.

In Presence's case (besides making the fears less expensive and have a bit longer base duration and shorter recharge times) I'd add a 5th tier passive that improves the mag on the fear powers to 3 and grants minor (say 2 to 3) taunt and fear protection.

For Concealment, probably a passive that give minor value boosts to perception, stealth radius, to-hit buffs and to-hit debuff resistance. Not an overly huge power but so much of concealment is useful and having a method to improve the stealth radius can be useful against specific mob types like snipers so it has some temptation value. It also adds another debuff resistance method for those without to acquire. From a thematic point of view its more of an "opposite of concealment" power but I look at it from the point of "if you're already this invested in concealment you should logically be good at countering it".

But that's just me.

I tend to use Aid Self a lot. Aid other less so, but it is a power I take often, usually to get aid self.

My Mace/Shield Tank has it, as well as my FF defender, my energy blaster and my StJ/SR Scrapper. I usually take it on toons that dont have a self heal, to get me out of scrapes and tight spots. My game style is very hit and run, so im often dodging in and out of combat enough to get a heal off before flying back in again.

My tank mostly uses Aid Other because it works theamatically (Hes a Natural Riot Cop, that uses a lot of tricks like sleep gas, Aid Other and Revolver).

I find it very satisfying to help toons that get hurt and retreat from the fight, getting help from someone that they wouldnt expect and helping the healer of the team out a little.

These all seem like good ideas. Might take some work to find the ideal numbers (high enough to be tempting and worth the power pick, but not overpowered or unbalancing) but I think that in concept they are all quite nice.

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Originally Posted by Kyriani If it were up to me I'd personally make the first three powers of EVERY pool selectable as the first choice and add a 5th power... a pretty tempting one in some cases, to the pools that don't have a 5th. In medicine's case I'd probably add a self stim power that works like a break free with a recharge time. I think something like that would be very popular among the non status protection having crowd and to get that cherry still necessitates picking up a second power in the set In Fighting's case I'd probably add a passive with minor +end discount +defense debuff resistance +status resistance. Not a huge boon at the top of the tree but it's already such a great pool that it doesn't need something uber at the end. With that said even a minor passive like I suggest would be tempting since it allows those without any debuff resistance to get a little, an end discount can be welcome by many especially those running many toggles, and status resistance, while often shrugged at, is still something that increases survivability. As I said MINOR passive so not big numbers but I bet it would still be a popular choice. In Presence's case (besides making the fears less expensive and have a bit longer base duration and shorter recharge times) I'd add a 5th tier passive that improves the mag on the fear powers to 3 and grants minor (say 2 to 3) taunt and fear protection. For Concealment, probably a passive that give minor value boosts to perception, stealth radius, to-hit buffs and to-hit debuff resistance. Not an overly huge power but so much of concealment is useful and having a method to improve the stealth radius can be useful against specific mob types like snipers so it has some temptation value. It also adds another debuff resistance method for those without to acquire. From a thematic point of view its more of an "opposite of concealment" power but I look at it from the point of "if you're already this invested in concealment you should logically be good at countering it". But that's just me.