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Arcanaville

By Arcanaville,
Posted on: 2012-05-15 02:21 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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The simple connect the dots analyses of NCSoft revenue numbers were projecting this game would be dead in 2007, and 2008, and 2009, and 2010. That tends to damage their credibility somewhat.
Yes, which is why i don't say anything of the sort.

 

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The IO licence is $5 for a month. I get some people are on tight budgets, but it is $5.
Actually, it's $2.


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Interesting that you got "this game is in terrible shape" out of re-evaluate the freemium experience but yes, now i remember why i ignored you before your hiatus. Oh well, i better stop before the thread further devolves i guess.
I guess so.

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Yes, which is why i don't say anything of the sort.
That would be the incorrect lesson. What's damaged is not the conclusion, but the efficacy of the methodology.

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That would be the incorrect lesson. What's damaged is not the conclusion, but the efficacy of the methodology.
That reply wasn't a comment on methodology, it was a reaction to an implication that my posts here had CoX's demise as subtext from this post of yours:

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The simple connect the dots analyses of NCSoft revenue numbers were projecting this game would be dead in 2007, and 2008, and 2009, and 2010. That tends to damage their credibility somewhat.
To which i denied saying anything about CoX's lifepsan in this thread.

If that wasn't your intent, then sorry...and regard that last reply as a mistaken knee-jerk reaction.

 

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Interesting that you got "this game is in terrible shape" out of re-evaluate the freemium experience but yes, now i remember why i ignored you before your hiatus. Oh well, i better stop before the thread further devolves i guess.
There is no need to re-evaluate the freemium experience - like other mmos that run the same/similiar model...CoX gives the same if not more benefits to free players.

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That reply wasn't a comment on methodology, it was a reaction to an implication that my posts here had CoX's demise as subtext from this post of yours:



To which i denied saying anything about CoX's lifepsan in this thread.

If that wasn't your intent, then sorry...and regard that last reply as a mistaken knee-jerk reaction.
I believe Arcanaville's meaning was extrapolation anything meaningful from the numbers is a shot in the dark at best.

Especially as we don't have any of the other numbers needed to put in in proper perspective. She did not say that you were saying "Game is going down" - she just gave other people using the numbers to say that as an illustration.

I hope that was at least as clear as mud, if not lake water.

Snooze time now, methinks.

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To which i denied saying anything about CoX's lifepsan in this thread.
Arcana is saying what a number of us have been saying since NCsoft stopped publishing subscription numbers years and years ago - you can't extrapolate useful information about the game's success or failure based on those revenue numbers. Quoting the numbers and drawing a conclusion about the game's success - be it greatness, failure or mediocrity - is about as justified as drawing the same conclusion based on whether Matt Miller wore a tie to work on the solar solstice three years ago.

Revenue numbers have proven to be badly misleading in the past. Irrespective of what conclusion you draw based on them, the fact remains that you shouldn't be drawing conclusions based on them.

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Pretty much, the way I see Freedom is as something that's aimed at getting people to subscribe as quickly as possible and then proceeding to get them to pay extra above that subscription. And I'm fine with it, bizarrely enough. For the first time since the game's creation, Freedom actually gives us the power to vote with our money. Releasing things players ask for is no longer just good public relations in keeping players happy, it's a direct source of revenue, which is smart business. Before if I argued for something I wanted, it was just an impotent request. Arguing for it now, I can base it from the stand point of "I would pay for X!" and actually have the ability to put my money where my mouth is.

Counter-intuitively, I pay more for this game under Freedom than I did under the old model, and I feel less weird for doing it.
Or to put it simply; I pay more on top of my subscription than I used to, but it's for things I want and I'm getting value for my money so I don't care.

My main worry when they announced that they were going to a hybrid FTP system was that they'd nickle and dime us to death by doing something like making subscribers get what free/premium players do now, and charge for every little extra thing above that. Fortunately they were smarter than that.

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Actually, it's $2.
Sure, but the minimum point bundle is $5 for 400 points. That would give you two months worth of an invention licence, but you can't purchase 160 points...

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Or to put it simply; I pay more on top of my subscription than I used to, but it's for things I want and I'm getting value for my money so I don't care.

My main worry when they announced that they were going to a hybrid FTP system was that they'd nickle and dime us to death by doing something like making subscribers get what free/premium players do now, and charge for every little extra thing above that. Fortunately they were smarter than that.
Yep. They've basically added a massively à la carte model. I personally only get costume bundles and the occasional powerset, but there are so many tempting options that someone will spend on something.

As for revenue figures, NCSoft would shut it down if it wasn't giving them sufficient ince and we sure wouldn't be getting this much content every month or so either.

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Revenue numbers have proven to be badly misleading in the past. Irrespective of what conclusion you draw based on them, the fact remains that you shouldn't be drawing conclusions based on them.
Well if my conclusion, as some may allude to (not you), is that the game is dying, then yes i agree that would be incorrect. But there could be a disconnect here that i'm missing so i should ask...what do you think my conclusion was?

Before it got sidetracked that is.

 

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Well if my conclusion, as some may allude to (not you), is that the game is dying, then yes i agree that would be incorrect. But there could be a disconnect here that i'm missing so i should ask...what do you think my conclusion was?

Before it got sidetracked that is.
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You've been concern trolling about CoH's survival since the day you showed up here.

So, not 'interesting' as much as 'based on past statements'.
People have a terrible habit of recalling other people's past behavior patterns, especially very consistent behaviors, and allowing it to influence their interpretation of a person's intent in the present. Terribly unfair, i know, but there it is.

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Well if my conclusion, as some may allude to (not you), is that the game is dying, then yes i agree that would be incorrect. But there could be a disconnect here that i'm missing so i should ask...what do you think my conclusion was?

Before it got sidetracked that is.
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