Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 5/8/12
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Posted on: 2012-05-08 09:19 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Hmmm, healing sets on sale. . .May have to pick up a couple of these. The rest. . . Well, no thanks.
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Yup I totally Agree! The Healing sets are great but as for the rest... Blah... This weeks featured items are a snooze -_- zzzzzzz zzzzz zzz
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Originally Posted by thedarkeone
Hmmm, healing sets on sale. . .May have to pick up a couple of these. The rest. . . Well, no thanks.
Also, FPARN |
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Wondering how you guys are doing so far on the purple set sales..
Not exactly thrilled to see another purple set pay-to-win up there, but I am curious onto how they're selling.
Great to see boosters on sale again though, love those.
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Originally Posted by Zenlon
Wondering how you guys are doing so far on the purple set sales..
Not exactly thrilled to see another purple set pay-to-win up there, but I am curious onto how they're selling. Great to see boosters on sale again though, love those. |
It's funny how loosely people use the term "pay-to-win" when it comes to Purple IO sets on the market, when you are doing the exact same thing with WW and BM in-game... I dont get the referrence...
I'm not sure why people seem to think "pay to win" is so much worse than "farm to win," but whatever. Some people have more money than time, some people have more time than money. Both groups want purples.
Either way, I like this approach. Not so much because "now I can buy purples" (though that's nice too, I guess), but because it's something "new" on the market without forcing the studio to rush truly new new material like costume sets or powers or even vanity pets in order to meet that "something new on the market every Tuesday" promise. One or two "new to the game" things a month, with the intervening weeks getting "new to the market but not to the game" items, means more time, effort and money can be thrown at development of new market items, and we'll probably see higher quality in the long run.
All that said, I'm a little disappointed to not see the retro sci-fi costume set. Oh well... maybe next week.
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EDIT: Also, you don't think these two sentiments are just a teensy bit contradictory? If purple sets are "pay to win," how are enhancement boosters not?
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Originally Posted by Zenlon
Not exactly thrilled to see another purple set pay-to-win up there, but I am curious onto how they're selling.
Great to see boosters on sale again though, love those. |
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One is real world currency, the other is game currency. When someone with a large amount of dispensable cash can buy things that will make their character noticeably better than someone without, that's when "pay to win" become a tangible problem. Granted, this isn't quite "pay-to-win" because players are capable of getting Purple IO sets via in-game means, and both the in-game versions and Paragon Market versions are only usable by level 50 characters. |
Originally Posted by Razai
It's funny how loosely people use the term "pay-to-win" when it comes to Purple IO sets on the market, when you are doing the exact same thing with WW and BM in-game... I dont get the referrence...
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However, Purple IO sets are difficult to come by in-game. Whether you are waiting for random drops, accumulating Hero/Villain/Empyrean Merits, or actively playing Wentworths/the Black Market (marketeering), it will take some time and effort. But if a player with more disposable income is so inclined, they can make a one-click purchase and have their Purple IO sets. So "pay-to-win" isn't entirely accurate. "Pay-to-be-better-a-lot-sooner-than-others" is more on target, and that is a dangerous line to toe.
Frankly, until they cross that line, I am not bothered by it. And as Doc Roswell said, if it means they are taking more time on the actually new items, I am fine seeing more weeks like this. Hell, at the very least, it means I get to save my stipend pointes :P
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'Pay to win' implies real-world money used to get an advantage in the game. In-game money doesn't matter, because you accumulated it through skill and/or dedication within the game. (Unless there's a way to buy in-game money with real-world money. But CoX doesn't officially have that.)|
Originally Posted by Razai
It's funny how loosely people use the term "pay-to-win" when it comes to Purple IO sets on the market, when you are doing the exact same thing with WW and BM in-game... I dont get the referrence...
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A rich kid that just entered the game could buy purples with his wallet. He couldn't do it with in-game money. That's why it's called 'Pay to win'.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
One is real world currency, the other is game currency. When someone with a large amount of dispensable cash can buy things that will make their character noticeably better than someone without, that's when "pay to win" become a tangible problem. Granted, this isn't quite "pay-to-win" because players are capable of getting Purple IO sets via in-game means, and both the in-game versions and Paragon Market versions are only usable by level 50 characters.
However, Purple IO sets are difficult to come by in-game. Whether you are waiting for random drops, accumulating Hero/Villain/Empyrean Merits, or actively playing Wentworths/the Black Market (marketeering), it will take some time and effort. But if a player with more disposable income is so inclined, they can make a one-click purchase and have their Purple IO sets. So "pay-to-win" isn't entirely accurate. "Pay-to-be-better-a-lot-sooner-than-others" is more on target, and that is a dangerous line to toe. Frankly, until they cross that line, I am not bothered by it. And as Doc Roswell said, if it means they are taking more time on the actually new items, I am fine seeing more weeks like this. Hell, at the very least, it means I get to save my stipend pointes :P |
As long as performance isn't completely gimped, how much better one character is over another rarely matters unless you're trying to challenge yourself by say, solo'ing something or doing a team event below the minimum number of players. And even then, that's for bragging rights. Being better than someone in this game doesn't matter at any particular point. If you're on a full team you're just one more part in it. You might carry a bit more of the team, but since you're not competing against it for a better chance at l00t, it doesn't matter.
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Enhancement boosters are just a great perk and anyone can afford them with the points that come in monthly or can even get their hands on 25 for their monthly veteran merit if high enough VIP. Maybe in the future I won't mind so much when the procs in these sets are identical and all functioning the same, but for the time being I have to make the argument that the smashing damage proc in the PM version of this set is far superior to it's normal version. Being able to count on that smashing damage is really something. If I could afford it, I'd buy just that piece in specific, or happily trade off my in-game bought version for the top notch PPM version. |
Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
I'm not sure why people seem to think "pay to win" is so much worse than "farm to win," but whatever. Some people have more money than time, some people have more time than money. Both groups want purples.
Either way, I like this approach. Not so much because "now I can buy purples" (though that's nice too, I guess), but because it's something "new" on the market without forcing the studio to rush truly new new material like costume sets or powers or even vanity pets in order to meet that "something new on the market every Tuesday" promise. One or two "new to the game" things a month, with the intervening weeks getting "new to the market but not to the game" items, means more time, effort and money can be thrown at development of new market items, and we'll probably see higher quality in the long run. All that said, I'm a little disappointed to not see the retro sci-fi costume set. Oh well... maybe next week. EDIT: Also, you don't think these two sentiments are just a teensy bit contradictory? If purple sets are "pay to win," how are enhancement boosters not? |
I know there's a million ways to argue this but really that's my only complaints for the time being. i24 should rid that.
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People continuously intentionally overlook the basic fact that conventional purples are better than SBE. Time and time and time again.
You can boost a conventional purple. You can not boost an SBE. This makes one VASTLY better than the other. SBE purples are only for casual people trying to gain an edge they dont have but aren't interested in minmax supertoons.
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I still dont see a difference... Many of you fail to realize that people "pay to win" and have been before the PM. There were outside sources that sold in-game inf for sooooo long and still do. People that have purchased inf from an outside source and still bought them off WW or BM. Also for those that are paying real currency as a subscript fee already paying for inf they earn, so that too should be called pay to win. Hell in that light EVERYTHING should be pay to win.|
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
'Pay to win' implies real-world money used to get an advantage in the game. In-game money doesn't matter, because you accumulated it through skill and/or dedication within the game. (Unless there's a way to buy in-game money with real-world money. But CoX doesn't officially have that.)
A rich kid that just entered the game could buy purples with his wallet. He couldn't do it with in-game money. That's why it's called 'Pay to win'. |
Basically it just seems like people that gripe about not getting that 1 billion inf drop on BM or WW, labels purchases off of the PM as pay to win as an insult versus a technical term... I will admit I would be one to buy it from PM before I drop my inf on an overpriced purple on WW or BM, but rest assured those purchases will remain VERY slim...
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I'd have to agree with Razai on this one... Ever since inf has been purchasable by outside sources "pay to win" has been around even before PM or before everyone got salty and started quoting the term "pay to win". Basically to each his own, I guess.
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Originally Posted by Razai
I still dont see a difference... Many of you fail to realize that people "pay to win" and have been before the PM. There were outside sources that sold in-game inf for sooooo long and still do. People that have purchased inf from an outside source and still bought them off WW or BM. Also for those that are paying real currency as a subscript fee already paying for inf they earn, so that too should be called pay to win. Hell in that light EVERYTHING should be pay to win.
Basically it just seems like people that gripe about not getting that 1 billion inf drop on BM or WW, labels purchases off of the PM as pay to win as an insult versus a technical term... I will admit I would be one to buy it from PM before I drop my inf on an overpriced purple on WW or BM, but rest assured those purchases will remain VERY slim... |
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Originally Posted by Razai
I still dont see a difference... Many of you fail to realize that people "pay to win" and have been before the PM. There were outside sources that sold in-game inf for sooooo long and still do. People that have purchased inf from an outside source and still bought them off WW or BM. Also for those that are paying real currency as a subscript fee already paying for inf they earn, so that too should be called pay to win. Hell in that light EVERYTHING should be pay to win.
Basically it just seems like people that gripe about not getting that 1 billion inf drop on BM or WW, labels purchases off of the PM as pay to win as an insult versus a technical term... I will admit I would be one to buy it from PM before I drop my inf on an overpriced purple on WW or BM, but rest assured those purchases will remain VERY slim... |
Pay to Win : Using legal tender to purchase in-game advantage.
So, using cash on costume parts is not pay to win, but using cash on enhancements is. Supporting RMT'ers is definitely pay to win, as well as being 'illegal' in the context of the game.
For my part, I don't see it as a pejorative term in the context of the Paragon Market, as any profits realized go directly to the game's bottom line- I'm all for the game surviving and thriving and they can sell whatever they want on the market to that end.
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Where's the retro scifi pack dudez? The only cool thats been on the market lately was the 99cent vip thing. I really wish that had been up longer too with the anniversary going on.
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I'm not the one confused. And that is exactly how many people are quoting pay to win as bought from PM.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
For my part, I don't see it as a pejorative term in the context of the Paragon Market, as any profits realized go directly to the game's bottom line- I'm all for the game surviving and thriving and they can sell whatever they want on the market to that end.
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If you can't grasp the distinction between people paying for game advantage with legal tender or earning it through game world actions, you're confused.|
Originally Posted by Razai
I'm not the one confused.
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| And that is exactly how many people are quoting pay to win as bought from PM. |
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Well you made my heart stop! Mothers day? But it was only 2 months ago, im sure of it!
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As to "pay to win" (learn something new every day), anything that has any customers paying any money to play the game works for me. I'd like to see the game be financially successful and be around a long, long time. If the people running the game are smart, they'll provide their players with lots more attractive (and useful and genre-specific and well-designed) options forever.
And other players buying anything I may not be able to afford or may not want means exactly nothing to me. It does not impact my enjoyment of the game in any way whatsoever. I'm never going to team up with the vast majority of the players on this game, how or why could I possibly care what any, let alone all of them, are doing with their time spent playing? And wouldn't I want my teammates to be as tough as possible, anyway?
Clearly, "pay to win" means that the more people who pay, the more we all win.
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Obviously, sarcasm is not conveyed well through the interwebz... I grasp the difference just fine. It's you that assumed I didn't. Fair enough.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
If you can't grasp the distinction between people paying for game advantage with legal tender or earning it through game world actions, you're confused.
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- Enhancement Unslotter x3 was 300, now 225 Paragon Points!
- Enhancement Unslotter x5 was 450, now 338 Paragon Points!
- Sale ends 14 May, 2012, at approximately 11:59PM PDT
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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It depends on how you slot them. When I bother to try slotting purples in a character, I'll slot 5 in a single power (all but the Damage) for the set bonuses. The global accuracy, recharge and regen/recovery bonuses are way too attractive for me to use purples as frankenslot fodder.|
Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch
People continuously intentionally overlook the basic fact that conventional purples are better than SBE. Time and time and time again.
You can boost a conventional purple. You can not boost an SBE. This makes one VASTLY better than the other. SBE purples are only for casual people trying to gain an edge they dont have but aren't interested in minmax supertoons. |
And once you've done that, there's no real point in boosting them anymore, because most of the stats they're enhancing are already above the ED cap. (Maaaaybe you want to boost the one that enhances Endurance Reduction in the power, since that's the only stat that won't have hit ED.)
Of course, if you're just slotting them one or two in a variety of powers, then sure, boost away.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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This is a good attitude to have. Thanks for being a mature adult. It shouldn't matter one bit to anyone what the other fellow has slotted. I certainly don't get worked up into a tizzy because someone else might be more powerful than me. My characters are no more or less fun to play because someone purchased a hold set on the Paragon Market.|
Originally Posted by Sworn_Servant
And other players buying anything I may not be able to afford or may not want means exactly nothing to me. It does not impact my enjoyment of the game in any way whatsoever. I'm never going to team up with the vast majority of the players on this game, how or why could I possibly care what any, let alone all of them, are doing with their time spent playing? And wouldn't I want my teammates to be as tough as possible, anyway?
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| Clearly, "pay to win" means that the more people who pay, the more we all win. |
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It JUST started being tested on i23 beta last week and there are still effects missing from certain parts, so I wouldn't expect it until after Issue 23 has been launched. There are still several other things coming in the meantime--the Panther Travel Power for sure, since that began testing during the i22 beta, and I know they're looking to release the new Performance Amplifiers as soon as they can as well.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
All that said, I'm a little disappointed to not see the retro sci-fi costume set. Oh well... maybe next week.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Game developers fought hard against those outside markets, and often would ban the account of people found to be buying items that way. In fact, the existence of the Paragon Market is in large part because of the outside markets -- the developers wanted to control what could be purchased and what could not, and they wanted a piece of the action.|
Originally Posted by Razai
I still dont see a difference... Many of you fail to realize that people "pay to win" and have been before the PM. There were outside sources that sold in-game inf for sooooo long and still do.
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The current microtransaction craze in online gaming may seem normal now, but people like you need to remember that it is a recent phenomenon. In the past, subscription was the only way to play and there was no official way to spend more money to advance in the game more quickly. There were sound reasons for these limits; breaking them is bad for the game. If players can spend money to win they have no reason to stay loyal. They have less skill, have put in less effort so they value their accomplishments less, and they can easily switch to another Pay-to-win game. The turnover in Pay-to-win games is so high that it would make a game manager from the year 2000 crap their pants.
But today's game developers don't care about managing their game competently, they care more about maximizing their revenue. That's why Pay-to-win has become commonplace, and why the average gamer bounces between three or four games a year instead of staying loyal to just one.
CoX is trying to walk a thin line, allowing some Pay-to-win exchanges but hoping that their players stay loyal. I expect them to fail someday. They can't juggle their players conflicting urges forever.
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