Yeah it's come up.
It's also worth noting that it's perfect for Dominators. They have no weapon based sets available to them at this time, but the AT does NOT like redraw. Whip is also already a mix of range and melee like Dominators use and would be a weapon styled set. Could also be used for any melee character of course, just noting the synergy there with Doms.
I believe the hurdle is that doing just the 4 whip based animations in Demon Summoning, took as much time and as many resources as developing a full powerset.
This is why we're unlikely to ever see a full on Whip set.
That's not to say they couldn't use the whip powers they already created in another set. (They could make Hellfire Assault, for instance, and mix the whip powers with normally animated ones. This works since the whip has no draw/redraw.)
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I agree on the dom assault set. Even if they just put a few fire blasts in with them, it would make a cool set.
Chuck a blob of fire onto your foe as he runs toward you and then whip him in the face with flaming whip. Badass.
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The other issue is that those aren't whip attacks - they're fiery attacks that take the form of a whip - an ACTUAL whip couldn't be produced vis a vie the reaction when you hit a target with the whip (the recoil can't be done with the graphics engine AFAIK).
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I believe the hurdle is that doing just the 4 whip based animations in Demon Summoning, took as much time and as many resources as developing a full powerset.
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Why would it have to be done? My swords swing through things, my mace goes through things, my bullets don't ricochet, but whip needs realism or we can't put it in?
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The other issue is that those aren't whip attacks - they're fiery attacks that take the form of a whip - an ACTUAL whip couldn't be produced vis a vie the reaction when you hit a target with the whip (the recoil can't be done with the graphics engine AFAIK).
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Maybe because you CHOOSE to send the sword/mace through a target - if it had no occlusion a whip would be practically guaranteed to clip through 3 or 4 enemies with every attack.
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Why would it have to be done? My swords swing through things, my mace goes through things, my bullets don't ricochet, but whip needs realism or we can't put it in?
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Off hand I couldn't tell you which one.
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During the summit the Devs asked for players to not choose whips or a new mm set as a "build your own powerset or whatever" option...which made everyone on U-Stream and the summit whine haha.
I would be happy with the current MM animations and a few other random powers to be honest.
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And no, folks, this hypohetical powerset does NOT have any special synergy with the Dom AT, beyond some people's desire to costume in strappy leather and "spank" people. Nothing wrong with that lifestyle I suppose, but it doesn't require representation in CoH solely on the grounds of there being a "Dominator" AT in the game.
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This Power Set doesn't seem like it be in Reality any time soon, I no about all the new power set that they told us and whip isn't one of them. Don't think this will ever happen and Don't make a Demon Summon toon with only whips attacks and no pets, you will be a gimp on teams.
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I want it to come out so people quit making petless demon masterminds. As much as I like NOT hearing those disgusting grunts...
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Whip powerset for Dominator AT come on that is just perfect in name. I would think the beast rigs would have been way more work then a whip set so I have hopes for this set in the future.
If they're going to make it available to Dominators it needs to be simultaneously released with "Chain Control"...because what good are Whips without Chains? 
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If they're going to make it available to Dominators it needs to be simultaneously released with "Chain Control"...because what good are Whips without Chains?
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I personally don't care either way but My fellow Dom players have been foaming at the mouth in anticipation for a Natural Dom Control and Assault set lol.
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I guess I get to be the one to point out that whips aren't even weapons. There is nothing resembling real world basis for "whip fighting." The only reason they work to the extent that they do for demon summoning is that they're entirely particle effects that can be as long as necessary to imply some sort of magical harmfulness. Frankly I think they look pretty terrible, no offense to whoever worked on them, just because the animations carry no weight at all since they're based on the false premise that some little piece of leather is going to do more than give you a carpet burn.
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I guess I get to be the one to point out that whips aren't even weapons. There is nothing resembling real world basis for "whip fighting." The only reason they work to the extent that they do for demon summoning is that they're entirely particle effects that can be as long as necessary to imply some sort of magical harmfulness. Frankly I think they look pretty terrible, no offense to whoever worked on them, just because the animations carry no weight at all since they're based on the false premise that some little piece of leather is going to do more than give you a carpet burn.
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And also you are right a flimsy piece of leather doesnt do much by itself....the whips used as weapons used pieces of glass or metal or literaly would have things on the end...usualy sharp items so that when the whip wrapped around someone a quick pull would have the object cut deap which could be very bad if you got it around a person's neck.
In fact some of the deadliest whip weapons where the knife whips and crescent whips....thats where someone would tie or attach a knife or cresent blade at the end of the whip and use it.
I dont really recall there ever being a mention of someone decapitating someone else with a whip like those....but it wouldnt surprise me if they did with the way they worked and where used.
The world is interesting if you read history....After all people used giant swords to chop horse and rider in half in some countries....and used mancatcher polearms to rip peoples torsos from their legs in other places....its interesting how extraordinary things are
So not a false premise at all.
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I guess I get to be the one to point out that whips aren't even weapons. There is nothing resembling real world basis for "whip fighting." The only reason they work to the extent that they do for demon summoning is that they're entirely particle effects that can be as long as necessary to imply some sort of magical harmfulness. Frankly I think they look pretty terrible, no offense to whoever worked on them, just because the animations carry no weight at all since they're based on the false premise that some little piece of leather is going to do more than give you a carpet burn.
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Whips when used on people or any living creature for the matter hurt a lot. Where do you think the term "Whip lash" originally came from a mere rug burn? They didn't use to whip slaves cause it gave a mere rug burn I would post a image of what a whip can do but I'm pretty sure that is not permitted within the rules.
Funny then that the history I've read indicates in big bold letters that whips are animal control and sometimes torture devices. That's not the same as a weapon, and I can find zero examples of anyone in history fighting people in earnest using whips with cursory googling. In fact, to the contrary I find that any whip combat technique is incredibly recent and basically fabricated by nerds who like Indiana Jones. I hate to be the one to tell you this but that isn't going to cut it for a powerset that would cost tens of thousands of dollars to develop and needs to recoup that cost in some way.
Also that was a lie, I don't hate that.
Maybe it's the fact that i been listening to vampire killer for a few hours, But It's been on my mind since Going Rogue. I think it would be cool if we had melee power set that used a whip we already have some animations from demon summoning. I'm not sure if its been talked about before but I know I would LOVE it. I just was wondering what anyone else would be into that type of powerset?.