Marvel Avengers First Review
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Posted on: 2012-04-23 08:05 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Out of 27 reviews on RottenTomatoes.com only one has been negative so far.
I think that bodes pretty well for this movie. 
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The Avengers movie book was released/leaked at least in part awhile ago. A previous thread of mine had some links to it and what was shown in the leaked book pretty much matches up with what I just read.
Also I am DELIGHTED to see that my prediction for the credits and bonus scene appears to be correct
Yeah, so I'll say
"SPOILERS"
even though that should be obvious.
It all sounds good, except that Whedon is going his predictable route and killing off a popular character. Months ago, there was a thread here where someone said "It would be just like him to kill off (this character), because fans like (this character)."
I didn't read the entire thing word-for-word, so perhaps there is a comic book resurrection in there, but I didn't see it. This alone is enough to really turn me off the movie, because it is entirely unnecessary and totally predictable.
Edit to add: The after-credits scene really doesn't go with Whedon's stated desire to make a sequel "smaller scale, more intimate and personal".
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Well the alleged character death may be what's needed to get them overcome their egos and team up. |
Originally Posted by Arnabas
Yeah, so I'll say
"SPOILERS" even though that should be obvious. It all sounds good, except that Whedon is going his predictable route and killing off a popular character. Months ago, there was a thread here where someone said "It would be just like him to kill off (this character), because fans like (this character)." I didn't read the entire thing word-for-word, so perhaps there is a comic book resurrection in there, but I didn't see it. This alone is enough to really turn me off the movie, because it is entirely unnecessary and totally predictable. Edit to add: The after-credits scene really doesn't go with Whedon's stated desire to make a sequel "smaller scale, more intimate and personal". |
As to the after credits scene not matching Whedon's desires for a sequel, there two things to remember:
1. Whedon may not be the one to direct the sequel, even if he is contracted already for it things can change.
2. The studio could well have demanded the character reported to be shown in the credits be in the credits whether Whedon wanted it or not. Remember it was studio people that crammed Venom down Sam Rami's throat for Spiderman 3......
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Well the alleged character death may be what's needed to get them overcome their egos and team up.
As to the after credits scene not matching Whedon's desires for a sequel, there two things to remember: 1. Whedon may not be the one to direct the sequel, even if he is contracted already for it things can change. 2. The studio could well have demanded the character reported to be shown in the credits be in the credits whether Whedon wanted it or not. Remember it was studio people that crammed Venom down Sam Rami's throat for Spiderman 3...... |
I still hope that the alleged death is either a deceit to have the team up, or somehow undone by the film's end.
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There are a couple of things to consider here.
A great many of the people who see this movie will not have seen Serenity. It has a much wider audience.
Thus, the reason for the death in Serenity still stands: to suggest that the peril is real, and not all characters can depend on script-immunity.
You can't add a character just for the movie in order to kill them off (i.e. a Red Shirt). Without the emotional investment it's meaningless. It has to be a popular recurring character to work. And I'm afraid X was really the only candidate.
If everyone had seen Serenity, yes, it would be repetitive and unnecessary, but, although it was a great movie, it didn't reach that wide an audience.
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Originally Posted by Cameron Williams (The Popcorn Junkie)
No review for the film really matters anyway because you'd be mental to miss the biggest superhero film event since we were pooped out from the big bang.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
There are a couple of things to consider here.
A great many of the people who see this movie will not have seen Serenity. It has a much wider audience. Thus, the reason for the death in Serenity still stands: to suggest that the peril is real, and not all characters can depend on script-immunity. You can't add a character just for the movie in order to kill them off (i.e. a Red Shirt). Without the emotional investment it's meaningless. It has to be a popular recurring character to work. And I'm afraid X was really the only candidate. If everyone had seen Serenity, yes, it would be repetitive and unnecessary, but, although it was a great movie, it didn't reach that wide an audience. |
For what's it worth Whedon has enjoyed killing off main/favorite characters in pretty much EVERY movie/show/story he's ever been involved with. As Arnabas implied I've seen enough of Whedon's work to practically -expect- someone big to die in The Avengers without any other knowledge about that movie in particular.
The irony here is that even though people who are familiar with Whedon's work could easily predict that he'd try to kill someone off in this movie people who aren't quite as familiar with him might actually find that kind of "plot twist" to be new and edgy for the typical superhero movie. *shrugs*
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In Serenity, Shepard's death was what gave Mal the fire and passion back that he lost after the war was ended. Mal was then extremely motivated to bring down the alliance and end things. Wash's death was to break the invincibility bubble for lack of a better term and show that anyone can die. Also as much as I like Wash, Mal can pilot the ship and River can do pretty much anything, so as good a pilot as Wash was he may well have been the most expendable of the crew. |
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
There are a couple of things to consider here.
A great many of the people who see this movie will not have seen Serenity. It has a much wider audience. Thus, the reason for the death in Serenity still stands: to suggest that the peril is real, and not all characters can depend on script-immunity. You can't add a character just for the movie in order to kill them off (i.e. a Red Shirt). Without the emotional investment it's meaningless. It has to be a popular recurring character to work. And I'm afraid X was really the only candidate. If everyone had seen Serenity, yes, it would be repetitive and unnecessary, but, although it was a great movie, it didn't reach that wide an audience. |
As to the death reported in Avengers, I won't say who it is for those that haven't read the review, but to me the character wasn't brought in to be a victim of the infamous red shirt curse.
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That's my point. Within geek culture everyone knows Whedon's work, but outside, it's Joss Who? Now, if he makes another massive audience mainstream movie, he is going to have to prove he's not a one trick pony.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
The irony here is that even though people who are familiar with Whedon's work could easily predict that he'd try to kill someone off in this movie people who aren't quite as familiar with him might actually find that kind of "plot twist" to be new and edgy for the typical superhero movie. *shrugs* |
Although Hitchcock made a career out of pretty much one bag of tricks...
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Here's a leak of the end credit scene. Watch at your own discretion, you have been warned.
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Originally Posted by Unknown_User
Here's a leak of the end credit scene. Watch at your own discretion, you have been warned.
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So nice to see that my prediction for the sequel villain was right.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Out of 27 reviews on RottenTomatoes.com only one has been negative so far.
I think that bodes pretty well for this movie. |
97% atm, I'm guessing that will settle somewhere in the high 80's by the time all the reviews are in, but that does bode well for a big box office and a sequel.
Here is a link that summarizes the connections between the movies:
http://www.newsarama.com/film/9-Marv...ns-110624.html
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Originally Posted by Nericus
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So nice to see that my prediction for the sequel villain was right. |
You said here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=288166 that you read the rumor on other sites.
Anyways...can't wait to see this movie.
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Was predicting and hoping for Thanos even before any web rumors surfaced. After all, the tesseract is the Cosmic Cube, and only THANOS would have greater knowledge/experience with the cube then the Skull. Also THANOS is one threat that would require the Avengers to come back together to face.
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Originally Posted by Vitality
Your prediction?
You said here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=288166 that you read the rumor on other sites. Anyways...can't wait to see this movie. |
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sadly youtube has nuked it.
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Originally Posted by Unknown_User
Here's a leak of the end credit scene. Watch at your own discretion, you have been warned.
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What? There's a snip of this movie that's -not- allowed to be on youtube yet? |
Originally Posted by Nericus
sadly youtube has nuked it.
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Yeah, imagine that. |
Originally Posted by Lothic
What? There's a snip of this movie that's -not- allowed to be on youtube yet?
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Still it was nice to see Thanos
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Originally Posted by Nericus
sadly youtube has nuked it.
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Bummer
However it's still something that makes me want to see the movie even more. Part I loved most in that scene was when the alien invader was giving the debriefing went and said something along the lines of "To face them is to face death itself." I screamed Thanos the moment I heard that line and knew he was going to be the big bad in Avengers 2.
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Not familiar with the character, but doesn't sound all that interesting on wiki. What's the appeal?
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Yeah, imagine that.
Still it was nice to see Thanos |
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Created by Jim Starlin back in the 70's, THANOS is the Marvel Comic equivalent to DC's Darkseid. However Darkseid wants to conquer and reshape the universe to his sense of order, Thanos however is a death worshipping nihilist that wants it all to burn. |
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Not familiar with the character, but doesn't sound all that interesting on wiki. What's the appeal?
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After Starlin revived Thanos on the 90's, we began to see some evolution in the character until Starlin again returned to Marvel and finally had Thanos realize the folly of all his attempts to seize ultimate power and began to reform him. However if I recall, editorial wanted Thanos to still be the big cosmic evil of the MU and this pretty much made Starlin quit Marvel indefinitely. Too bad too, many other writes have failed to get a good handle on the character.
In his first life back in the 70's he had enough physical might to fight the THING and THOR in hand to hand combat at the same time, he is basically immortal, and a super genius who dedicated his intelligence to the destruction of all life everywhere, all to appease his love of death.
When Death revived him in the 90's in the Silver Surfer, he was given even greater power then before, and was just as cunning and deadly as ever. The Silver Surfer was the chosen one as it were to rally the troops and go against THANOS as he was one of the few that could begin to match THANOS' power levels. It took the revived Adam Warlock to stop him during the Infinity Gauntet adventure and Thanos returned to help save the cosmos in Infinity War and Crusade. While not necessarily doing this out of nobility, he still was invaluable in the conflicts.
When Drax the Destroyer killed Thanos during Annihilation, Thanos was dead and at peace in the arms of his love, Death. But, Adam Warlock as a precaution that Thanos would be needed again, stuck Thanos' body in a regeneration cocoon and he hatched at the start of the Thanos Imperative, alive again and definitely NOT in the best of moods. At the end of the tale, Death rejected him despite his services and his promises to extinguish all life again, etc.
Currently, Thanos, Starlord and Nova are trapped in another universe as of the end of the Thanos Imperative. They are presumed deceased, but we all know that won't be the case.
Also, he´s the one who made Deadpool immortal... because Death likes Wade
btw I liked the Ultimate take on Thanos.
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Just got back from seeing it.
No spoilers here, don't worry, just to say.....it is ALL KINDS OF FREAKING AWESOMESAUCE!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, go see this film as soon as you can, it's incredible! 
I damn near applauded one scene in the movie
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minor spoiler, we´ll get another "leaf on the wind"-moment
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