How do you fight with a Stalker?


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Originally Posted by Synesence View Post
Way higher than 25 Million. Can't find them like before on the Black Market, they're disappearing quick! If you do find the set, expect to pay around 100 million or more.

And I was just 3 Stalker's Guile away from the whole set for my StJ/Nin Stalker...Crap.
Merit Vendors will sell you 1 ATO per 20 hours for 400 merits + 25 million inf


 

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Merit Vendors will sell you 1 ATO per 20 hours for 400 merits + 25 million inf
Yeah....You know of any fast way to get merits? Cause 400 merits seems like long hours of TFs to me, and that's just exhausting!


 

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Hero & Villain packs?


 

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Originally Posted by DMystic View Post
Hero & Villain packs?
Yeah, WITHOUT spending REAL money. :P


 

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Originally Posted by Synesence View Post
Yeah, WITHOUT spending REAL money. :P
you get a reward token every month for being VIP

Aside from that, I think you can also get them for 25mil inf + 55 astrals or 25mil + 100 astrals


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Was it Astrals or Empyreans? OR both?

I actually forgot that the ATO's where available from the Incarnate merit vendors found in Ouroboros


 

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Originally Posted by Pinny View Post
you get a reward token every month for being VIP

Aside from that, I think you can also get them for 25mil inf + 55 astrals or 25mil + 100 astrals
Buying ATOs from the merit vendor is *ridiculous*. For the same 400 merits, buy two LotG Rech globals. Sell those for at least 80M each on the market. Buy *two* ATO pieces for 80M each. You've now got two ATO pieces for 400 merits, and you didn't even need the extra 25M or the 20H cooldown.


 

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Buying ATOs from the merit vendor is *ridiculous*. For the same 400 merits, buy two LotG Rech globals. Sell those for at least 80M each on the market. Buy *two* ATO pieces for 80M each. You've now got two ATO pieces for 400 merits, and you didn't even need the extra 25M or the 20H cooldown.
Unless the procs aren't available at all on the market - which is something that can happen for high demand items that you can't earn through farming minions or AE tickets.

Note that I haven't checked anything on the market in the past three weeks, so for all I know there could be hundreds posted that people are simply charging a ton for. I'm just playing devil's advocate.


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Best way to play is to know what you can do...and play that way....and not try to things stupidly.
Also to use your inspirations....they are there for you and your team and they come back.
Another thing...when on a team play with the team...help them..dont hinder them...dont run to the end of a find 3 items a bookcase and defeat rollister...unless you can defeat it without dieing.
Also dont die....if you die alot...you are not playing right.
Stay near the main tankers if you are having trouble....help them....dont herd for them...or get them aggro....help them kill.
Lastly dont rely on everyone else...realize you will have to pick up the slack.

In otherwords best way to play is to play....if you need to hit and run fine....you should never have to be hidden all the time....and if you are doing hit and run only...realize your build is having trouble.....find out why and correct it....its just that simple.


Oh and dont try to mimic other stalkers that do incredible things....make your own path....thats the best way to stalk in this game.


 

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Stalkers are kind of a situation-aware scrapper. Generally things will go like this:


Looking for a fight: Your stealth stops nearly everything from seeing you, so feel free to run around willy nilly since most of the time enemies can't see you. This can cause problems for group members who don't realize that stalkers can't be seen.

Before the fight: Prioritize hard and/or dangerous targets. Your power is to kill something almost instantly, so take advantage of that.

Opening the fight: There are three ways to do this. The easiest is just Assassin Strike or it's equivalents. This kills LTs, nearly kills bosses, gives everything -7.5% To-hit and sends out a wave of mag 5 terror to a fifth of the enemies. After that, just scrap and go from there.

Second way requires the ATO proc. What you do is use build up, then use the attack that has the proc. This will re-hide you, letting you fire off a consecutive attack from hide. Generally people put the proc in Assassin Strike, so they can use that attack then follow up immediately with another powerful attack.

Third way is to open with an AoE attack or one of the few moves that are better than AS. Don't have them memorized. What you do is open with those attacks, and this lets you build up assassin focus throughout the battle.


Ending the fight: There's no middle with a stalker. Either the fight is beginning, or the fight is ending. For end fight, you'll want to be playing just like a scrapper, firing off AS on a side enemy each time you get 2 or 3 charges of focus. If the enemy group has several hard targets in it, then you'll want to prioritize those other targets after you've killed your first one(s).


And that is how you play a stalker; a scrapper that pays closer attention to the enemy group and how they begin the fight.



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I have a claws/ninjitsu stalker at level 50, who I haven't played since all of the changes. But, I pretty much played her like everyone else is suggesting. Go in middle of big mob, target the highest con boss or lt, hit build up, hit AS, boss not down? no problem, placate the lt by him, hit BU and AS again, and just keep going down the line, till the mob is cleared. People like to think of stalkers as pansies who hit and run. They so aren't though. I played on Relentless, plus Kuji in Sha (my heal) and hitting Demonic Accolade power when things were getting messy were enough to save me. Plus, the changes that I22 brought to stalkers only made them better in my opinion. So, I say do my above method and you should be fine. Heck, I play my bane spider like this even. It's fun


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How do you fight with a Stalker????
Consider this an excellent opportunity to figure out a way to play stalkers that work for you.

Going by my lowbie staff stalker, it usually goes something like this: Stab someone with the strongest 'normal' attack possible out of hide. Hit them and/or one of their friends 'till dead. Stab someone else with AS (which should now have a fair chance of critting). Clean up.

I only AS from hide if there's a boss (or particular dangerous Lt.) involved.


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Unless the procs aren't available at all on the market - which is something that can happen for high demand items that you can't earn through farming minions or AE tickets.

Note that I haven't checked anything on the market in the past three weeks, so for all I know there could be hundreds posted that people are simply charging a ton for. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
Procs are about 100mil on the market or so, and there are only about 10-20 being sold last I checked.

So yeah, I'd much rather spend the 25mil + 500 merits on an ATO proc I need. That way I've saved 75mil.


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I just run a couple of BAFs and LAM's ect to get what I need for the Proc. Normally the rest of the set is pretty cheap compared to the proc.



 

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Originally Posted by Synesence View Post
Yeah....You know of any fast way to get merits? Cause 400 merits seems like long hours of TFs to me, and that's just exhausting!
I've got a stockpile of thousands of merits from packs, so...400 merits is a drop in the well for me.

I also got the bulk of the ATO's from packs, and got most of the rest by converting ATO's from AT's I don't play like HEAT / VEATetc, so I just needed to gap fill a few here and there. 6 slotting the fifth brute or tank toon, for instance.

I look at the market first, and if the shiny I need is available for a reasonable price, I buy it off the market. If not, I hit up a vendor and drop 25m + 400 merits and call it a day; nice and convenient.

You can also use astrals and empyreans as memory services, but it doesnt seem worth it to me.

It's just resource management. If you have few hero merits and more inf or if an ATO is going cheap, use the market. Otherwise use the vendors.



As a side note, the packs are pretty economical. I've got a ton of Experienced & XP Booster temps, Merits, a healthy amount of catalysts, and misc other swag stockpiled...that's in addition to many character's worth of ATO's. A modest investment in packs can pay nice dividends.


 

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As a side note, the packs are pretty economical. I've got a ton of Experienced & XP Booster temps, Merits, a healthy amount of catalysts, and misc other swag stockpiled...that's in addition to many character's worth of ATO's. A modest investment in packs can pay nice dividends.
But then you're missing out on enhancement boosters, SBE procs, new powersets, new costumes, etc.

Offering super packs as a primary solution to lack of influence is a silly idea, as not everyone can/wants to throw extra money on the game. My advice would be to save your points for market exclusive items like enhancement boosters, SBE procs, and powersets. Just buy the ATO's with influence, which can be gotten through many different ways in-game.


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Originally Posted by Auroxis View Post
But then you're missing out on enhancement boosters, SBE procs, new powersets, new costumes, etc.

Offering super packs as a primary solution to lack of influence is a silly idea, as not everyone can/wants to throw extra money on the game. My advice would be to save your points for market exclusive items like enhancement boosters, SBE procs, and powersets. Just buy the ATO's with influence, which can be gotten through many different ways in-game.
It's interesting how you translate a mild comment that the packs offer a decent value if a person chooses to spend a little on them into a "silly" recommendation for a "primary" solution to anything, much less a lack of influence which is a bit you added whole cloth.

Forum post alchemy is a mystic art of the internet era, I suppose; the amazing transmutation of a statement into a completely different and manufactured statement.


 

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It's interesting how you translate a mild comment that the packs offer a decent value if a person chooses to spend a little on them into a "silly" recommendation for a "primary" solution to anything,
That's the thing, packs do not offer a decent value. You are extremely limited in what your monthly points can be used on, and I highly disagree with spending it on something you can obtain in-game, while you can use it on market-exclusive features.

So much in fact, that recommending super packs equates to recommending buying paragon points in my eyes.

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much less a lack of influence which is a bit you added whole cloth.
"You don't have to spend influence, you can use reward merits" is an argument I see more often than I'd like, seeing as reward merits(or astral merits) are the primary source of influence in the game.


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That's the thing, packs do not offer a decent value.
...for you.

This is a form of entertainment, therefore value is subjective rather than intrinsic.


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So much in fact, that recommending super packs equates to recommending buying paragon points in my eyes.
...well, actually, I do buy paragon points from time to time. They are, after all, for sale. And to the extent that I find the value proposition they represent amenable I partake of the offered opportunity when it is useful to me.

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"You don't have to spend influence, you can use reward merits" is an argument I see more often than I'd like, seeing as reward merits(or astral merits) are the primary source of influence in the game.
...the primary source of influence in-game would seem to be the resource actually called "influence", as opposed to the other more scarce resources referred to as various types of merits.

But...really...whatever. Acquire your ATO's however you like or can afford...or don't. It is certainly not worth it to me to quibble about your resource management as it wastes my most valuable resource...my time.


 

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This is an older thread but I've been playing with my Staff/Elec a lot and I just love it so much! I've teamed with 2 other Staff Stalkers and one time, I was leading a team of 3 Stalkers (two staff, one claw). It was so fun to start the fight with that much burst damage. That truly feels like a group of assassins, sneaking in and taking out targets so quick! One of the missions is a +2 elite boss with that big ugly Wailer Lord. He went down soooo fast with 3 stalkers gangbanging him. lol


How do I fight with my Stalker? It's all about that Orange Ring around Assassin Strike man. That is just like Fury for Stalker. I just want to keep attacking and unleash that massive damage.


I've seen a lot more Stalkers asking for teams now. I think the buff has a positive effect on the Stalker population. What do you guys think? Have you seen more stalkers? Have you converted more people to play stalkers? I've converted two so far who did not like stalkers.


What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.

 

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Originally Posted by Pinny View Post
Procs are about 100mil on the market or so, and there are only about 10-20 being sold last I checked.

So yeah, I'd much rather spend the 25mil + 500 merits on an ATO proc I need. That way I've saved 75mil.
500 merits are easily worth more than 100 mil.


 

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This is an older thread but I've been playing with my Staff/Elec a lot and I just love it so much! I've teamed with 2 other Staff Stalkers and one time, I was leading a team of 3 Stalkers (two staff, one claw). It was so fun to start the fight with that much burst damage. That truly feels like a group of assassins, sneaking in and taking out targets so quick! One of the missions is a +2 elite boss with that big ugly Wailer Lord. He went down soooo fast with 3 stalkers gangbanging him. lol


How do I fight with my Stalker? It's all about that Orange Ring around Assassin Strike man. That is just like Fury for Stalker. I just want to keep attacking and unleash that massive damage.


I've seen a lot more Stalkers asking for teams now. I think the buff has a positive effect on the Stalker population. What do you guys think? Have you seen more stalkers? Have you converted more people to play stalkers? I've converted two so far who did not like stalkers.
In my case at Defiant, Scrappers are still being made for Staff Fighting, and I've rarely seen any Stalkers. Apparently, not a lot of people enjoy the Stalker playstyle, regardless of the recent buffs and whatnot.

I do dream of playing in a 4-man Stalker team though....Finish an Elite Boss in just 4 Assassin's Strikes. Damn...


 

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I was in a team of 3, me (stalker), a Corr, and a Veat. I was quietly leading the charge opening with AS and scrapping and AS again as recharged.

VEAT: where is all the damage coming from?
CORR: The stalker.
VEAT: The changes must have been good.

And yes, I have been seeing more stalkers lately. Having 2-3 is very entertaining.



 

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That happened to me last night during the infamous Atta Cave Mish in the Hollows.

Dom and Controller: Alright a Brute! The trolls aren't going to know what hit them!!!

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Oh, yeah and er a sneaky stalker!

20 minutes in The team was supporting me and letting me tank lol. It was hilarious lol.

I swear my doms and stalkers convert a new player each day .



 

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I've gotten a little play in on my DB/WP Stalker, unshifted in DA lately.
It's been a while since I actually played her. And she's a completely different animal now with the changes to Assassin's Strike. VERY scrapperish. And I haven't even TOUCHED the ATIO set yet.

In short: ME LIKE!



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