Discussion: European Services Update

Or it might mean that some English speaking players may go to Vigilance and Zukunft because North Americans tend to be put off by the French and German Language.

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This is very sad news.

Keep the server names, though. If Union was to be no longer in English, I wouldn't want them changing the name of my server as well. Keep Zukunft as Zukunft.

I assume that changes will be made to the EULA (At least I think it's the EULA) that all public channels must be used in the server's language? Because that would hardly be fair in this case.

I am told "welcome to MMOs?" and that "subject to change" is in the Eula.

I just wish that EULA had been on the box so I could have read it before I bought it. I might have saved myself a lot of puzzling.

Perhaps my inexperience at MMOs is part of my problem. Almost without exception, when they change the game, I find it unnecessary.

Some of you see my use of "Bait and Switch" as a legal term. That wasn't my intent. I am not a lawyer. My intent was to express dismay and disappointment at a business decision that I think anyone who's taken a course in Managerial Accounting would have avoided.

In my eyes, and however flawed my feeble mind is, if I buy a comic book, when I read it again later, I do not expect anything within to change.
However, this is a video game. A different thing entirely.
Yet, still, I would not expect to log in and find that instead of English, all my labels are in Korean, because for budgetary reasons, they couldn't afford to pay the folks that write the stuff anymore.
Yes, that's a stretch. Of course, I know that wouldn't happen. The stretch is to just illustrate a reality it seems the servers in question will have to face.

My apologies to those who were under the impression I was implicating anyone under a case of theft by fraud. That was not my intent.

I know Freitag is here to handle any German stuff, but how will the mods handle threads or posts made in French?
Like if some French players decide to start a French language thread in the European Lounge section of the boards, would it be closed just because it was in French?

Back when EULA’s first started to become THE way software companies chose to offer their products I thought that they were ridiculously restrictive and basically robbed consumers of any rights if anything went wrong or changed in any way. Almost everyone kind of shrugged and said “Oh, so?”

Now they are almost industry boilerplate, no one reads them before quickly clicking ‘Agree’ and getting to the game. Clicking ‘Disagree’ doesn’t start a negotiation; it means you don’t get to play the game.

When people talk about buying a game or almost anything with intellectual property or possible liability attached to it, they are not buying a physical item, even if they get a CD or a DVD. They are buying a license to use that material, at the discretion of the licensor, in the way the licensor wants, and as long as the licensor wants. Your sole recourse is to stop using it. There is no refund and in most cases, no way to resell the license.

This doesn’t mean that I think NCSoft are tyrants or that they use the power of the EULA like a club. In fact, it is in their interest that any change be debated and accepted by the community at large. The appearance that our voice matters is important in getting buy in to any changes they need/want to make even though all the power rests with the licensor. The only power consumers have is to stop playing/paying, that’s it. They treat the community with a lot of respect and interact with it even though they legally are free to do just about anything they want.

To change a decision like this, an effective course of action would require organization and discipline, uncommon in any internet community and more important, a commonality of interest. Most issues will fail to rise to that level.
As many posters have said “we must be patient”. That is wise council and sounds much better than “grin and take it”. There is no way that this issue would be enough to organize effective action around. Too few people are affected and the larger community does not see it as an issue worth fighting for.

I am not happy about this state of affairs but my unhappiness or the happiness of the French and German players who will undoubtedly be affected will have little weight when set against the aspect of profit.

I wish them all good fortune and hope that as many as are willing, stay.

For further insight into my lack of clarity - I recall very clearly when I got this game. I saw that it was MMO - but I had no idea what it specifically meant. When it was spelled out Massively Multiplayer Online, I thought that it meant that the game had sold well and "massive" amounts of people played it. At no time did I expect to see them in the game that I was playing.

It was an impulse purchase. It was either this or an eerie game with a lot of mystery and unexplained murder. So, despite the fact that the eula may have been available, it was not available to me at Circuit City at the time. And, to be honest, it never occurred to me it would have one beyond "I agree to pay, they agree to let me play."

So, thanks for the retcon reference. I wasn't aware there was an actual term for it. I just thought it was bad writing.

Y'all have a nice day now. Again, sorry if I offended anyone.