when will scrappers get makeover

I think scrappers need a new inherent called "death with honor." The DWH power affects enemies within a 10 ft radius. When the NPC AI check tells them normally, to run away, if there's a scrapper nearby eminating the "death with honor" debuff, the NPC will instead just bow down in a submissive manner toward the scrapper and wait until their HP are gone. This will solve the AI issues we've all been complaining about and give scrappers the proper role on a team of being the most feared bad-**** around.

I know most non-scrappers would complain that this power is way overpowered, but honestly, it wouldn't change all that much since most enemies will likely not have gotten another attack off anyway.



In response to the people saying scrappers should get a team buff... I think you're confused. See.. the way it works is those other people on the team are there to multiply the overall team Awsomeness. Our job is to bring the Awsomeness that gets multplied.

You poor poor wretched reptile...

Fine than stay away from my easy to play and fun scrappers will you? I don't understand this whining anyway. If you want something unique than there is 3 other melee focused AT to play. Do you want more survivalbility and team focus? Go play a tanker. Do you want more AoE? Go play a brute. Do you want more ST damage? Go play a stalker and LEAVE MY DAMN SCRAPPER ALONE PLEASE.

Maybe I am remembering Jack and Geko too harshly, but judging by how they handled their last Super Hero MMO, I don't think I am. In the end I think Jack is a Megalomaniac. :/

Bleh, only made it through page 5 of this thread, but I did want to echo something I saw barely mentioned in this thread: we could really use something to replace Confront. The only real reason for that power is so that we have something to skip in my experience...

However, I'd like to explain my line of thinking a little. And by a little, I probably mean a wall a text, but here goes: Tankers are meant to tank for the team, and they do it well. Brutes are decent secondary tanks, but still can't match up to a Tanker in raw tankability, which really shows itself in incarnate trials and the like. They make up for this by being able to deal decent damage too, but they have to really work for it, seeing as how they have some pretty pathetic base damage. In fact, because of the mechanics of the game, they also get substantially less benefit than other archetypes do from damage boosts. In othere words, if you fulcrum shift a scrapper and a brute at the same time by the same amount, the scrapper gets alot better damage than the brute.

Scrappers are second only to some blaster builds in damage output, but unlike blasters have a little survivability thrown in to keep them going in melee. This means that solo, they can take on some pretty tough challenges, and in a team, the AoEs that get thrown out generally aren't enough by themselves to take down the scrappers. Stalkers are a two-fold class: PvE and PvP. In PvE, which honestly is all I care about anyways in this particular game, they are the masters of single target damage. The problem is, on a team, you generally need to have a decent amount of AoE as well, which most Stalker attack sets lack in exchange for Assassin's Strike. They have similar defenses to that of a scrapper, but they get Placate instead of a single target taunt (Confront). In PvP... well, lets just say there's a reason people tend to make sure they can see through stealth if they PvP much. Owch.

That being said the combination of giving scrappers a single target taunt and a x3 aggro multiplier (most ATs are x2, tankers and brutes are x4) roughly translates into saying that scrappers are a secondary tank. That worked when tankers and scrappers were hero side, and brutes were villain side, but now with the combined AT list, that means scrappers are what, tertiary tanks? That just doesn't make sense at all imo. I say drop the aggro multiplier to x2 and switch out confront for something a bit more melee damage oriented, and we're set. We scrappers already deal great damage, and can live long enough to tell about it. In fact, in practice scrappers will almost always out-damage a brute, all due to the mechanics of damage boosts.

For those who are unfamiliar with the damage boosting mechanics by the way, as I understand it what happens is that you get a boost to your base, unenhanced damage output only. That's why build-up, for example, tends to fade a bit late-game. Instead of doubling your damage (or an 80% increase or what have you), you get roughly half of that in actualy damage. You probably will have all your attacks at least 3-slotted for damage, so once SOs kick in, you already have almost a 100% damage boost on all the time (effectively). Brutes, therefore, even at 100 fury, are only receiving a 100% damage increase, not a full 200% as might be thought by looking at the raw "real numbers". This also means that while a 100% damage boost given to a scrapper is actually a 50% increase, for a brute at 100% fury its only a 25% increase, which is why brutes almost never outdamage a scrapper, especially when teamed with any support types that boost damage of their allies.

Now that that's out of the way, I do want to say that having taunt abilities is often actually detremental to a scrapper. As a scrapper on a team, I tend to go out and find the biggest, meanest, nastiest enemy around, and trash him. That's easy enough normally, but on a team there's going to be problems with aggro - thus why we also get defense, that way we actually live through pissing off that +4 boss. But, tankers who either haven't taken taunt, or who have yet to taunt that part of the group (remember, taunt only hits 5 targets max), cannot hold aggro away from a scrapper. Tankers only generate about 33% more aggro than a scrapper, but do substantially less damage. This is one area where brutes can help, actually, as they can come close enough with rage to scrapper damage to make use of their 33% more aggro generation. Unfortunately, what this all means is that, for example, my titan weapons/electric armor scrapper, who does insane AoE damage, pulls aggro off of all but the best of tankers.

The fact is, scrappers may have once been something akin to a secondary tank hero side, but these days they are tertiary in that area. Their damage output is where they shine, and in my opinion the developers need to re-evaluate whether scrappers should really be a tertiary tank with decent damage, or maybe those bonuses to taunting need to be taken away and replaced with something more oriented to dealing tons of melee damage and living through the plethora of AoEs they take by being in the fray, not to mention the occasional ST attack. In any case though, I'm not about to say that scrappers are inferior in any way, but they do indeed need a tweak or two, albeit probably not in the area that the original poster had in mind.

After playing the DA Arcs, and fighting the Knives of Vengeance.
The meleers in that villain group with dual blades, titan weapon etc. All have a ranged attack where they project some energy blast with their weapons.

I kinda want that for scrappers and replace confront with that. It looks great!
Then take animation of confront and give it to us as an emote

Honestly, I just want something that inflicts a -RunSpeed effect. I always wished Swipe did that in Claws or something to make it worth taking. Or replace Confront with another medium dmg melee attack that did -RunSpeed.

Ok, I solved all your problems...you can all thank me later when the Devs implement it.

It's a click power, which transforms the scrapper in to a small brown puppy. That spams

SCRAPPY DAPPY DOO

over and over.

This generators massive agro aura and lasts for a 120 secs.

PERFECT. You guys are set.