when will scrappers get makeover
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I have a claw/inv scrapper that I rolled up prior to issue one. I have played that toon to death, even through the debacles of all the nerfs. (tele-scrapping. bleaaahh)
I rolled up a claw/inv brute when the games got merged. I have since leveled it to 50 and got a good build on it.
I've run them both a LOT, both with good to great builds, and the brute is the better toon.
If you don't believe my obviously unscientific methods, do it for yourself. There's lots of combos to choose from. The only scrappers that have any noticeable edge over any brute build are the ones that gain lots of pseudopet damage. I love me my elec/elec, for example.
I dont understand this "scrappers suck now, fix scrappers" sort of thinking. If you think brutes and stalkers are better than scrappers, play them. You are not stuck playing the one AT that you hate. I prefer scrappers because they are the no BS, no gimmicks AT that just kicks *** right out of the box. If you disagree, just go chase your brute fury and STFU.
Because certain people despite admitting this fact still have to carry on the crusade of 4chan. I suspect it is just a veiled extension of the general anti-social 4chan ish behavior that is pervasive on the net these days, especially in gaming forums.
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Geeze, am I the only one trying to ignore that particular comment because I don't know or care what it means yet it's constantly being pushed in people's faces?
OMG WT3ff! Who's 4chan? Why are you bringing it up constantly!? Maybe you're the 4chaner here, all passively aggressively trying to get under people's skins.
Geeze, am I the only one trying to ignore that particular comment because I don't know or care what it means yet it's constantly being pushed in people's faces? |
I'm really not sure why people keep bringing it up in regards to this thread though. So far I haven't seen any trap threads, pony threads, porn, racism, lolis, infothreads, stoner threads, or hacker threads, so there's really nothing here that has anything to do with 4chan.
Well racism is just an American tradition, like apple pie and baseball. Don't mind stoners myself although they get boring after a while...can definitely use some porn in here. The rest? Meh, take it back.
Ummmm, no.
Stalkers get Criticals too, and they do it better. They get a 10% base chance to land a critical when not Hidden (scrappers get a 5% chance), and that chance gets increased for each teammate within 30 feet of them. The base chance goes up when the target's rank goes up. Honestly, if Scrappers got the critical bonus for teammates being nearby, I'd be happy as hell with that. They wouldn't even need a buff to the base chance. |
If you Don't like Scrappers then don't play them, People still play them well, there for I don't see them Improving them any time soon.
They Still do there Job Well, Scrappers Still one the best Arctype Melee Set, They can Solo well, On 8 +4 Mobs they can Still Clean up the trash well and can do that without dieing.
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If you Don't like Scrappers then don't play them, People still play them well, there for I don't see them Improving them any time soon. They Still do there Job Well, Scrappers Still one the best Arctype Melee Set, They can Solo well, On 8 +4 Mobs they can Still Clean up the trash well and can do that without dieing. |
Anyway, way I see it, the melee archetypes work.
Brutes are raging dervishes of destruction that keeps everyone focused on them while they pound everything.
Tankers make a statement. They get in there, makes everyone focus on them and keep bashing away very workmanlike.
Scrappers are brutes on a smaller scale. They beat up everything in AoE.
Stalkers are more focused, targetting the bosses and Lts and murdering them.
If anything, what I would do to scrappers if give them a small AoE on crits. So you crit on a minion, you do 55 damage or so, bit less than a proc but AoE.
OMG WT3ff! Who's 4chan? Why are you bringing it up constantly!? Maybe you're the 4chaner here, all passively aggressively trying to get under people's skins.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
You can google 4chan if you seriously don't know who they are. I bring it up because it in fact applies to certain people who admittedly are on a crusade. What are you getting upset about for real?
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So you can think you're cool? So that you can say you started a trend? Who knows. But alls I know is, parrots are annoying.
I figured it was some dumb internet meme. That's the thing about memes, though. They're like tropes, tropes are not 'good', just boil down to a necessity of categorization. Memes are not 'good', they're just effective means of imitation and reiteration. Bringing your cruddy meme and trying to get buzz on these boards with it just makes you sound like an unintelligent parrot repeating the same phrase over and over in hopes people start doing the same thing.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I think you're confusing 4chan (which is an imageboard) with Anonymous (which is a a group of hackers on a crusade, or hacktivists if you prefer). Anonymous gets brought up on 4chan a lot, and possibly some members of Anonymous post there, but they aren't the same thing.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I just can't imagine 4chan going on a crusade to get scrappers buffed. Nothing in this thread indicates that they are here, and the lack of gore and child porn is pretty strong evidence that this is not some 4chan conspiracy. Yeah people that play this game also post on 4chan, but more of them use Facebook so we should probably just rant about the Facebook crusaders.
I just can't imagine 4chan going on a crusade to get scrappers buffed. Nothing in this thread indicates that they are here, and the lack of gore and child porn is pretty strong evidence that this is not some 4chan conspiracy. Yeah people that play this game also post on 4chan, but more of them use Facebook so we should probably just rant about the Facebook crusaders.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Pretty funny. I don't think where the crusade is coming from is as important as the anti-social nature of same in how it has played out here. That is where the suspicion came from for me, in the how it was brought up out of the blue just after the stalker changes and the acknowledged lack of need/merit etc.....
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Need specifically referring to the context in which the discussion surrounded. Merit as in stalkers needing a buff in the eye of the devs.
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Like it or not, this has become such an issue in so many places the devs will have taken notice. Assuming they hadn't already.
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Scrappers have something of their own: the highest no caveat damage and the durability to deliever it safely. By "no caveat", I meant they don't have to worry about Fury like Brutes do or hop through the hoops Stalkers have to jump through to achieve that high ST DPS (not AoE, ST). They might not have shiny mechanisms, but I see a ton of them on teams. I understand there might be a certain envy of Stalkers getting something shiny, but there're people who like Scrappers' simplicity (at least some've already posted in this thread).
In short, scrappers are workhorse melee DPS characters and that's essentially their role in the game. And it seems like they're doing just fine at that role.
If that's not interesting enough, you might want to try out the more 'fancy' melee ATs. I'm personally not really playing scrappers, but that's in large part because I play far more support ATs than melee ATs (controllers being in the largest majority, but with other support ATs following them in numbers). And my current favorite melee character's a Dark/Stone Tanker both because I like mezzes and knockdowns, and because I enjoy helping keeping the team going smoothly. What I'm saying is that we all have different tastes and you might be finding that the Scrapper AT isn't as much to your taste as you had thought.
Alternatively, you might want to try the newer melee sets, which seem to be tending toward more fancy mechanisms like the one Stalkers just got. Heck, I recently tried a Street Justice Stalker on the test server and it was a little too much for me juggling both the mechanisms of StJ combos and Assassin Focus. Seems like I can only really comfortably manage one such mechanism at a time.
As for "what could it hurt"?, it's a matter of dev prioritization. Not just the time to code (which for some of the suggestions might be trival), but the time to decide what to code (i.e. design time). I'd rather see the attention paid to archetypes and powersets with real issues - the Blaster threads having convinced me they need real help, for one.
I can see why several of us are so dedicated to Scrappers having something that is uniquely theirs, what I can't see is why you are so dedicated against it.
Like it or not, this has become such an issue in so many places the devs will have taken notice. Assuming they hadn't already. |
While Scrappers don't need a buff in the "I can't get through my missions" sense or in the "nobody is playing them" sense, I won't complain at all if the devs decide Scrappers need a buff for inter-AT balance reasons. I also won't complain if the devs are satisfied with where Scrappers are at right now. I'm sure there are reasonable people and some evidence for each side of that particular debate.
But whether the opinion expressed is right or wrong, something like the OP's post, which assumed the conclusion in the thread title and vastly oversimplified a complex picture, is asking to be mocked. Best if we don't stoop to mockery, but it was SOOOOOO tempting. So I gave in. And this seems to be an issue where I fall easily into mockery. A personal failing, I'll admit.
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How many years are you willing to wait for the needed scrapper buffs?
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Scrappers (most of us any way) realize that Scrappers do not NEED a buff. What we WANT is something that is unique to scrappers. Scrappers have no Power set or Mechanic that is unique to them. In the case of crits, Stalkers have a far better version of it, and with ATIO's added in, a more predictable version of it.
There have been multiple suggestions on how to solve this issue w/o killing balance, or adding complexity to the scrapper. We at least all agree that we do not want a complex mechanic, or one that needs to be monitored, to be added to the scrapper. I am sure those of us who have made suggestions like ours the best.
I don't think any of us who are passionate about this are going to back off though. This has been an odd subject in many ways. There are some posters that I have respected for years who have made me angry during these discussions. Some I have played and chatted with in beta who are really fun to play with and talk to. The shocking thing is really how rude some of us have been in these threads.
The up side is this is not a new fight for me. It just got more intense during the i22 beta.
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Stalkers get Criticals too, and they do it better.
They get a 10% base chance to land a critical when not Hidden (scrappers get a 5% chance), and that chance gets increased for each teammate within 30 feet of them. The base chance goes up when the target's rank goes up.
Honestly, if Scrappers got the critical bonus for teammates being nearby, I'd be happy as hell with that. They wouldn't even need a buff to the base chance.
See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.