New Three Stooges trailer released
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Posted on: 2012-03-21 20:11 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
I know the Three Stooges were before my time but I never "got them"....
So yeah...it will be interesting to see how well the movie does but I'm like you Nericus, I don't see the movie breaking even.
Good luck to it though!
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The first trailer I saw made the movie look potentially (and surprisingly) okay (but not great). The commercials that have been playing on TV, however, make me think it's going to be as terrible as I'd imagine a new Three Stooges movie to be.
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Unlike the OP I have no real "relationship" with the original Stooges. The trailers have made me laugh which is more than most modern comedies have managed to do, so I am looking forward to seeing this movie.
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Originally Posted by FredrikSvanberg
Unlike the OP I have no real "relationship" with the original Stooges. The trailers have made me laugh which is more than most modern comedies have managed to do, so I am looking forward to seeing this movie.
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However, one thing I lament is that what I've seen form the trailers is that this movie is not the "Hollywood banking on old franchises because they're out of ideas" shtick we've been seeing. It looks like the crew tried to do this one with heart and respect to the source material. Whether good or bad it looks like a honest effort. And their effort will probably not succeed.
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Originally Posted by Tormentoso
I'm in this camp.
However, one thing I lament is that what I've seen form the trailers is that this movie is not the "Hollywood banking on old franchises because they're out of ideas" shtick we've been seeing. It looks like the crew tried to do this one with heart and respect to the source material. Whether good or bad it looks like a honest effort. And their effort will probably not succeed. |
I'm thinking it will be both.
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I think it was probably always safe to say that any new "relaunch" of the Stooges would never have the same "magic" they ever had back in the day. And to be honest it really is kind of hard to accept the concept in 2012 because I think part of the charm of the whole thing was that it was the kind of comedy that worked decades ago but doesn't seem like it would have an audience today. Not saying the Stooges are intrinsically bad - just saying it doesn't seem like it'd be something worth retrying in the 21st century.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
.....but the magic that the Stooges had, the chemistry that the Stooges had, the synergy that most of the Stooge teams had (Joe Besser, Shemp's replacement didn't have the same synergy that Curly and Shemp had).......
.....it's just not there. I'm truly surprised that C3 Entertainment, the owners of the Stooges (founded by Moe, Larry and Curly-Joe) has allowed this movie to happen. Do they actually think it's going to be a big money maker? I'd be surprised if this movie breaks even. |
All that being said I have no real doubts that it'll at least break even. Sure I can understand how the trailers don't look too promising to people who might consider themselves "true fans" but there will be at least some built-in name recognition from older people and it looks "family friendly" enough that I'll bet plenty of parents will take children to see it. So no it won't make huge profits, but it probably won't outright bomb either.
Bottomline it's obvious -why- they made this new movie - Hollywood's banking on getting some new money based on an old brand. Purists are sure to hate it to some degree just like there were people out there who hated the recent Abrams' Star Trek. But that's probably not going to be enough to derail at least some modest success from this new effort.
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I think it'll do okay for the fact it's PG and kids laugh at simple things.
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Add the anti-cartoon violence era that we're living in. Many classic cartoon could not be made this day (Tom and Jerry, even Bugs Bunny was violent), so I'm expecting some parent reservation at taking their kids to see this.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
So now comes the question: will it fail on its own merits or because of automatic condemnation by Stooge fans?
I'm thinking it will be both. |
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Yeah it is pretty sad to think that there are people out there who'd consider the average Looney Tunes cartoon to be "too violent" for today's youth. I'm sure it won't be hard to find articles criticizing this new Stooges movie for "encouraging anti-social behavior" or some-such.|
Originally Posted by Tormentoso
Add the anti-cartoon violence era that we're living in. Many classic cartoon could not be made this day (Tom and Jerry, even Bugs Bunny was violent), so I'm expecting some parent reservation at taking their kids to see this.
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But I figure there's probably enough parents out there who'll either know better or don't care either way to make up for those fringe weirdos. Considering all the video games and other much more arguably violent media kids get to see these days I doubt that's going to be a terribly significant issue here. *shrugs*
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Well the new trailer did have the disclaimer about how the stunts were done by trained professionals and to not try them at home. |
Originally Posted by Tormentoso
Add the anti-cartoon violence era that we're living in. Many classic cartoon could not be made this day (Tom and Jerry, even Bugs Bunny was violent), so I'm expecting some parent reservation at taking their kids to see this.
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In the Stooges first big screen movie "Have Rocket Will Travel" they used the eye poke only once and then after that they retired it due to all the complaints about kids trying the eye poke but with hazardous results. When they made the following movie "Around the World in a Daze", another character that was acting like the Stooges did the eye poke and Moe said "Ah, ah! That's maneuver #21, we don't do that any more. Now we do #47!" and slapped the target. Also there are some lost interviews and I think some commercials where they demonstrated some of their classics including the eye poke and warned people to not try these things themselves.
Still in a way, it's a shame that people only remember the Stooges for the violence and not for some of the history they made with some of their routines. Such as Moe Howard being the first one to suit up and parody Adolf (Charlie Chaplin's The Great Dictator was 9 months later). Better yet, here's a funny legend: when they filmed "I'll Never Heil Again" Moe was in such a hurry to get home for his daughter's birthday party he totally forgot to change out of his "Hailstone the Dictator" attire. People were seeing him speeding home in his car and calling the authorities thinking it was old Adolph himself speeding through the streets!
Also some of the pop culture or pokes at current society of the times in some of their skits.
"We have jobs now! We're working for the census!"
Curly's response "You mean Will Hays?"
Moe: "No the census! The Census!"
Will Hays was the one that pretty much started censorship back then.
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Yeah I tend to shake my head that people think the Loony Toons are too violent yet some of the same people approve of the Simpsons or Beavis and Butthead or Southpark....|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Yeah it is pretty sad to think that there are people out there who'd consider the average Looney Tunes cartoon to be "too violent" for today's youth. I'm sure it won't be hard to find articles criticizing this new Stooges movie for "encouraging anti-social behavior" or some-such.
But I figure there's probably enough parents out there who'll either know better or don't care either way to make up for those fringe weirdos. Considering all the video games and other much more arguably violent media kids get to see these days I doubt that's going to be a terribly significant issue here. *shrugs* |
....double standards perhaps?
Go back and watch some of the vintage Loony Toons eps from the very early days and it's clear they weren't meant for kids, some of the creators stated that Loony Toons was their version of the Simpsons.
I can't wait to see this.
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im kinda 50/50 on this, ive seen most all of the original stuff (i agree with you that shemp and curly were 2 of the best ones to make the trio funny)
from what ive seen of the commercials the actors did seem to do a pretty good job of recapturing the personalities of the original 3 stooges, but what im concerned about is the plot of the movie, the 3 stooges actually had very little interaction with other poeple in their movies (some of the episodes had <3 poeple other than the stooges while the most ive seen is a roomful of poeple)
based on how expensive movie theaters are i will prolly wait to see this when it goes to dvd
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Yeah I tend to shake my head that people think the Loony Toons are too violent yet some of the same people approve of the Simpsons or Beavis and Butthead or Southpark....
....double standards perhaps? Go back and watch some of the vintage Loony Toons eps from the very early days and it's clear they weren't meant for kids, some of the creators stated that Loony Toons was their version of the Simpsons. |
The Stooges are unique in that they were probably the most well known "live action Looney Tunes". But while children can laugh at their silliness I don't really think the Stooges were ever really actually "geared" towards them specifically.
It'll be interesting to see how this movie does regardless.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
im kinda 50/50 on this, ive seen most all of the original stuff (i agree with you that shemp and curly were 2 of the best ones to make the trio funny)
from what ive seen of the commercials the actors did seem to do a pretty good job of recapturing the personalities of the original 3 stooges, but what im concerned about is the plot of the movie, the 3 stooges actually had very little interaction with other poeple in their movies (some of the episodes had <3 poeple other than the stooges while the most ive seen is a roomful of poeple) based on how expensive movie theaters are i will prolly wait to see this when it goes to dvd |
Moe + Larry + Shemp = original incarnation of the Stooges
Moe + Larry + Curly = best known, best loved incarnation of the Stooges. Curly replaced Shemp during the Ted Healy days, Shemp returned after Curly's stroke during making of Half Wits Holiday
Moe + Larry + Joe Besser (brought in after Shemp died) = worst version of the Stooges. But I don't put all the blame on Joe. Moe and Larry were starting to feel and show the years, the budget was slashed considerably, and about 8 of the 16 or so skits with Joe were just remakes of Curly or Shemp skits. Joe not being into all the slapstick didn't help.
Moe + Larry + Curly Joe DeRita = perhaps the most unknown or overlooked incarnation. Yeah they toned down the violence a bit, but Curly Joe was a good stooge and was the closest they ever got to a copy of Curly. They even brought back some classic Curly routines with DeRita like the Maha Rajha, the pop Goes the Weasel song driving Curly berzerk, and some others. They did live appearances, appeared on shows, did commercials and movies.
Moe + Emil Sitka (as Harry) + Curly Joe = the final version that never got started. Emil Sitka replaced Larry after he suffered a stroke while making Kook's Tour, but before this version of the Stooges got started, Moe's health began to decline. Emil was going to play a character named Harry. For those that don't remember Emil: he first appeared as the butler in Half Wits Holiday, and is perhaps best known for his line "Hold Hands you love birds" from the skit with Shemp needing to get married to inherent a fortune. Emil is considered the 7th Stooge even if the act with him as Harry never got started.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I tend to blame Disney for fooling most Americans into thinking that cartoons and/or animation in general is a medium intended only for children. Obviously some cartoons are specifically designed for children, but that has never meant that -all- animation must forever and always be kid-oriented. Fortunately we have many non-Disney shows to enjoy now but it still amazes me how strongly the cultural bias Disney generated still hampers the general public's perceptions in this area.
The Stooges are unique in that they were probably the most well known "live action Looney Tunes". But while children can laugh at their silliness I don't really think the Stooges were ever really actually "geared" towards them specifically. It'll be interesting to see how this movie does regardless. |
I agree about Disney though.
Eh. We'll see. Not on my "Got to go opening weekend" list... kind of feels like, no matter how much they respect the originals, it's still kind of feeling like "three other guys pretending to be the Three Stooges" when I watch the trailer.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
it's still kind of feeling like "three other guys pretending to be the Three Stooges" when I watch the trailer.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Eh. We'll see. Not on my "Got to go opening weekend" list... kind of feels like, no matter how much they respect the originals, it's still kind of feeling like "three other guys pretending to be the Three Stooges" when I watch the trailer.
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And as far as "guys pretending to be the Stooges" goes I still sort of feel the same way with Abrams' Star Trek. I basically enjoyed the "reboot" of Star Trek, but there's always going to be a part of me which'll be thinking these new actors are simply "pretending" to be the real Kirk, Spock, etc. I think it'll take much more than one movie to overcome 40 years of history for me to fully accept them.
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I kinda agree that they really can't truly recapture the original Stooges' magic. Moe and Larry had been vaudevillians for years, and Moe, Shemp, and Curly were all brothers, so its no wonder they had it down so perfectly.
On the other hand: Eye pokes, face slaps, and sheer slapstick?
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I kinda agree that they really can't truly recapture the original Stooges' magic. Moe and Larry had been vaudevillians for years, and Moe, Shemp, and Curly were all brothers, so its no wonder they had it down so perfectly.
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Also a lot of people forget too that Shemp had perhaps the best solo career of all the Stooges after he left during the Healy era, and Shemp helped design a lot of the stunts in the beginning and it was Shemp that came up with the eye poke stunt during an intense card game.
If you have Netflix do search using Three Stooges and look not for the discs of the classic skits that we all know and love, but look instead for any discs with their early works, or any "lost footage" discs, or documentaries. There is some footage of them on the Steve Allen show performing on stage with Curly Joe. One time they did an updated version of the "Maha Raja" skit that Curly did so well, and another time they were filming movie scenes with Moe as director, Larry as the star, and Curly Joe as the "stunt double" for Larry.
My thoughts on this can be summed up by quoting Charlie Brown, "AUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!"
I wish Hollywood would get some original ideas so they can stop !$#%!$%!ing up the classics.
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Originally Posted by Green_Watch
I wish Hollywood would get some original ideas.
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Looks to be a new trailer, a mix of what was in the first trailer with some new stuff.
http://www.fusedfilm.com/2012/03/the...ut-the-laughs/
I've seen practically everything that exists on VHS and DVD for the Stooges including some hard to find stuff of when they worked with Ted Healy after Curly joined the act to replace Shemp who left due to being sick of Healy......I've seen every one of the classic Stooge shorts, I've seen all their big screen movies with Curly Joe, I've seen the live segments they would make to introduce and followup a Stooge cartoon episode, and I've seen video of when they'd appear on some of the talk shows and comedy shows of that era.....
I'll say this: they did find three people that can resemble the Stooges and act relatively like the Stooges, and they have thoroughly rehearsed the stunts and the slaps and the eyepokes (hitting the eyebrow area and not the eye)........
.....but the magic that the Stooges had, the chemistry that the Stooges had, the synergy that most of the Stooge teams had (Joe Besser, Shemp's replacement didn't have the same synergy that Curly and Shemp had).......
.....it's just not there. I'm truly surprised that C3 Entertainment, the owners of the Stooges (founded by Moe, Larry and Curly-Joe) has allowed this movie to happen. Do they actually think it's going to be a big money maker? I'd be surprised if this movie breaks even.
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