Concerned about Scrappers.

I skipped the last 8 pages of the thread so if I rehash anything that is why.

Johnny, no insult is meant in any of this. I am just trying to help. It seems based on the description you posted of a tanker holding back at the start of the fight and getting stronger as the fight goes on could be solved by giving tanks the old version of defiance. As the tank's health goes down he hits harder. This new defiance would have to be tweaked though since at low health having a high amount of damage will be nearly useless tanks shouldnt be spending any length of time at low health. So for this new defiance the damage should cap out at 50% health. Also increase the tanks damage cap by the max amount you can gain by through defiance. This change also represents an in character view for the tank. If an enemy is not capable of really hurting me why should I bother to use my full power. In addition to that I also think that the -res debuff in the first attack should be a stacking unresistable 10% regen debuff so that a tank can never encounter a basic enemy that he can't kill in time. I used to hate fighting a boss or EB that couldnt kill me but I couldn't do enough damage to overcome their regen.

If you wanted tanks to reclaim their niche as the most survivable increase their base hp by 25%, 2342 at 50, and increase their HP cap to 200%, 4684, from 188.6%.

Im not sure if the HP increase would qualify as power creep since all it really does it add survivability across the board to all tankers as well as putting them way ahead of brutes in terms of survivability.

Scrappers are a simple AT. "Hurting people and breaking things," without any frills. Any addition to the AT must keep to that simple playstyle and so must run in the background and not require any input from the user other than doing what they already do.

One of the ideas I had was giving them 25%-50% inherent across the boards debuff resistance. The idea here is that it will take more than 1 or 2 debuffs to keep a scrapper from hurting his target/s.

Another idea I had was to make scrapper criticals hurt more than other ATs criticals either by increase their critical hit damage to 125%-150% of the damage that would be dealt, or by applying a damage over time effect to their critical hits in addition to the double damage, or by applying a long lasting 20% resistance debuff to a critical hit as a way of saying that the critical hit has damaged the enemies defenses.

IMO barrier is overrated. It gives you a good buff for, like, 30 seconds, then it is basically just a maneuvers. I have Core Epiphany slotted onto my WP tank, and I usually keep it up for that 5% defense boost that I get for the whole 2 minutes.. Puts me at the soft cap for all typed defenses. The radial version only gives, like, 2.5% defense and resistance for a minute and a half. It's useful as a panic button and an emergency rez, but little else.

I've said elsewhere that the fix I would pursue for Tankers is to make them explicit force multipliers instead of implicit: make having them around has direct value for the team or league like having a Defender or maybe a VEAT does. Making them personally more survivable, better able to take aggro from ATs who don't the protection (Brutes), or adding damage IMO keeps them on the same train track they've been on forever and share with Brutes. The 2 ATs are too directly comparable and I think the best fix is to push one into being desirable for the same reason other lower damage ATs, like Defenders, often are.

Ideally, I'd like the force multiplication to be linked somehow to the Tanker's armor set. A few that provide AoE +Special would be very cool to me (i.e. as a Tanker you actually make your Defenders and Controllers shield and heal you and the team better!) Whatever is selected should stack with multiple Tankers like any other set would--the lack of stackability in general is my biggest beef with Tankers overall.

As for Scrappers: I don't see any need to change the AT.