Over/Under on a Patch to get Converters in


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The market for me has been dying for ages, I had stockpiles of every top enhancement sets and billions upon billions, now the converters have come I converted all the pvp enhancements I purchased and sold for huge amounts and bought the recipe equilivant for next to nothing and got twice as many back + well over 100bil, I now have no reason to ever use the market again, now that I have 3 bases fully stocked with enhancements I can cross off the market as an aspect of the game, I hope other stuff can keep me addicted to CoH.

At time of post, the most expensive item in AH was 250mil, with virtually 0 pvp enhancements for sell at lvl 50.


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That was essentially my goal, to be able to slot whatever I wanted without restriction. While I've managed to salvage my investment and then some, with about 200% return, it's nowhere near the billions and billions that others are reporting, mostly because I had to work and couldn't get online until several hours after converters had hit live. Add in that I had over a dozen alts standing by with alignment merits and only a handful of rogues/vigilantes who still had significant stockpiles of reward merits, and this was a frustrating day.

Don't get me wrong, I've still come out ahead and I have enough to (ironically enough) finally purple out my warshade, but it's still a bit irksome to know that had I been home when the servers came up this morning I could conceivably have ten times as much pretend money, enough to cover all my alts with plenty to spare. That was my goal, and it'll take me a day or two to be able to see the (not insignificant) upside past the shadow of what could have been. Oh well.


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Originally Posted by Plasma View Post
It is ultimately good for everyone. Well, except people who play almost exclusively controllers and mostly bought purple mez sets. Those people are getting punked.
I have been leveling my first Mind Controller to 50, making this the first time I've ever actually cared about sleep or confuse sets. Fortunately, I saw this coming, but I found the pending end of cheap-o purples of those sets just as I came upon a use for them bemusing.


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Originally Posted by TopDoc View Post
But the PvP market will also be dead, and I was hoping to make some nice Inf off that. While providing PvP Enhancements to those who really want them. I'm a giver.
Didn't you say that you are going to aim for 1 trillion inf? Once you hit that target, are you going to give some to me?


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Originally Posted by Ironblade View Post
Didn't you say that you are going to aim for 1 trillion inf? Once you hit that target, are you going to give some to me?
That was total net worth, with most of that in slotted Enhancements.


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Personally, I was ready for a change in market.

Small-ball, that's where the money is. Unique, uncommon recipes in high demand, like the steadfast protection 3%. I've sold a few of those over the past few days, as the rest of the market has crashed.

I didn't want to stockpile too much, as I have limited time, so I just bought stacks of those starting a couple weeks beforehand (and other recipes with similar desirability of course). When the market shifted, demand skyrocketed, and I was able to sell with a greater than 100% return.

I like that the market has crashed. It lets me kite a character much more easily (though the purple lottery will be missed). I like collecting enhancements in my personal bases, and I usually run out of money whenever I kite out a new character and thus do not have the funds to prepare in advance (I have a bad habit of starting a new character every month or so and giving them the most expensive build possible).


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Originally Posted by TopDoc View Post
That was total net worth, with most of that in slotted Enhancements.
Given the depreciation of enhancements, that would appear to be a slightly more challenging goal than before.

Ah well, I actually slept through the initial market burst, because I didn't want to set an alarm. I don't like waking up early for real money, much less pretend money. So I guess its time to sharpen my pencil and start thinking about arbitrage opportunities.


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I see you're a giver too!


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Originally Posted by Justaris View Post
That was essentially my goal, to be able to slot whatever I wanted without restriction.
That's typically my goal too, though up until this point I've blocked out PvP IO and very rarely bother with purples, as my 50s usually don't get played that much after reaching 50 (that may change with DA).

I'm dusting off an old Sonic defender, and am actually toying with the prospects of slotting Glad Armor and Shield Wall. I never would have considered that before.

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I have been leveling my first Mind Controller to 50, making this the first time I've ever actually cared about sleep or confuse sets. Fortunately, I saw this coming, but I found the pending end of cheap-o purples of those sets just as I came upon a use for them bemusing.
Yeah, I tend to build a lot of controllers, and I probably should have picked up at least some confuse sets (I've even been playing my Ice/Time, but didn't bother to upgrade Arctic Air).


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Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Given the depreciation of enhancements, that would appear to be a slightly more challenging goal than before.
Yeah I'd be far more impressed to see someone with a trillion in liquid INF.
The relative "value" of slotted enhancements will always be vaguely defined at best.

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Ah well, I actually slept through the initial market burst, because I didn't want to set an alarm. I don't like waking up early for real money, much less pretend money. So I guess its time to sharpen my pencil and start thinking about arbitrage opportunities.
I've got roughly 35-40 billion in liquid INF spread across my account and I've had that much give or take for a long time now. I didn't really have any motivation to take advantage of the market shifts the Converters caused, and the way I see it if the Converters generally made the high-priced things cheaper then I figure my 40 billion will go that much farther now if I ever choose to do a bunch of spending again.

I'm willing to say I "made" money via the actions of everyone else making things cheaper and call it a day.


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Yeah, I tend to build a lot of controllers, and I probably should have picked up at least some confuse sets (I've even been playing my Ice/Time, but didn't bother to upgrade Arctic Air).

An ingame friend and I level mostly Dominators with the odd Brute/Scrapper, so our base bins have a good dozen of each status protection set. What's eluded us for a long time was that +3% IO for some of our builds, but now we have a good dozen of those too, thanks to converters. Can't thank the Devs enough for this.


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I've got roughly 35-40 billion in liquid INF spread across my account and I've had that much give or take for a long time now. I didn't really have any motivation to take advantage of the market shifts the Converters caused, and the way I see it if the Converters generally made the high-priced things cheaper then I figure my 40 billion will go that much farther now if I ever choose to do a bunch of spending again.

I'm willing to say I "made" money via the actions of everyone else making things cheaper and call it a day.
My guestimate given prior calculations is that the average cost of purples is currently about the same, and the average cost of PvPIOs has dropped only slightly. Its just that the most expensive stuff has come way down, but a lot of cheap stuff has gone up. But if you were considering making a very expensive invention build, unless you were a controller or mastermind the cost of making that build has almost certainly gone down. In that sense, buying power has increased for people pursuing those builds.

As to making money off of converters, I didn't really do that yesterday, but as its turning out there are lots of ways to do that which I don't think people have thoroughly considered yet. That's generally the way I like to operate. I like doing things until everyone else figures it out, and then move on: I hate fighting crowds.


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I'm pretty sure I figured out Arcana's converter niche, there are only 2 really good options in it but 5 million to 80 million is a solid ROI while the niches hold out.


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Whereas, as long as I'm making enough money personally, I don't mind fighting crowds at all. I'm still plowing every last reward merit I can find into churning purples. I'll probably run out of RMs about the same time they finally give us the rest of the currencies, at which point I'll be poised with enormous amounts of ready cash to take advantage of the high-end enhancements crashing back down again. (The spread on purples and PVPs is growing, gradually, as more and more people run out of converters and merits and drop out of the race. I've been able to lower my fishing net for cheapos, and Apoc and Ragnarok are trending back towards 400M.)


 

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I'm pretty sure I figured out Arcana's converter niche, there are only 2 really good options in it but 5 million to 80 million is a solid ROI while the niches hold out.
100k -> 200mil.


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Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch View Post
100k -> 200mil.
Since nothing costs 200m other than purples and pvp ios, shenanigans.

If we are talking multiple conversions, sure. You've got:

Kinetic knockdown
Steadfast end/res
Celerity run speed
Any cheap universal travel io

etc.

But on a per converter basis with "scarce" converters, purples are still 40m+ per converter. Even a kinetic combat kd io can't match that even though it is a guaranteed upgrade on an inset conversion, because it's 3 converters and less profit than a purple flip.


 

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No patch today? I thought maybe the hero merit option would show up today.


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Originally Posted by Plasma View Post
Since nothing costs 200m other than purples and pvp ios, shenanigans.
Wrong answer. I know of at least 2 seperate nonpvp nonpurple enhs selling for 150-200 mil. I don't know how long that price range will last, but I am making loads of inf off of it as it stands.


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No patch today? I thought maybe the hero merit option would show up today.
It was a puzzler to me too.


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It was a puzzler to me too.
The devs are tired of screwing up the converter patch and need a break.


 

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There are patch notes for a fix to this on the Test server, posted on Tuesday.


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Originally Posted by OneFrigidWitch View Post
Wrong answer. I know of at least 2 seperate nonpvp nonpurple enhs selling for 150-200 mil. I don't know how long that price range will last, but I am making loads of inf off of it as it stands.
Let's say I missed some IO spiking to 200m. Even if that were possible, it still has to be less than 6 converters on average to be more worthwhile than 150->300m purple flips.

Let's say, for example, celerity: stealth had crept to 200m. (I'm out on the road for work and am not going to dig on market right this second, even though I'm fairly curious)

Even if you fed off-stealth celerities and quickfoots in, it still costs you 6 converters on avg to get a stealth IO. That's about 30m/converter net, vs more like 45m per converter even accounting for crafting cost for a purple.

You don't get better than a 6 converter average unless your conversion is a sure thing. I think the only sure things are kinetic combat and steadfast, and those haven't hit 200m, have they? (And I know kinetic combats aren't 100k because I still had like a hundred outstanding bids at ~1m for kds)

You could buy trashy universal travels and bounce back and forth between them with category conversions looking for KB or -slow, and that would only cost you 4 converters on average, but those aren't 200m.

Well, if I'm wrong, you should at least post later to remind me what a fool I was, once the niche is common knowledge. Curiosity piqued.


 

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There are patch notes for a fix to this on the Test server, posted on Tuesday.
Third time's the charm!


 

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I better test this then before it goes live, and let them know if they really fixed it this time.


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