Does the Tanker ATO get hit with the AoE penalty? I would think so, and therefore it would be better placed in a single-target power (at least once they get single-target powers to not get the AoE penalty thanks to gauntlet).
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I originally placed the MoT proc in my Whirling Hands attack. It didn't fire off that often. However, I switched it to Bone Crusher and it fires off enough that I benefit from it. I decided to load up the entire set in the power to see how it will effect my character overall. So far, It does a great job.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Does the Tanker ATO get hit with the AoE penalty? I would think so, and therefore it would be better placed in a single-target power (at least once they get single-target powers to not get the AoE penalty thanks to gauntlet).
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Current active characters: Dragon Maiden (50+3 Brute SS/WP/PM), Black Widow Maiden (50+1 Night Widow), Catayclasmic Ariel (50 lvl Defender - Kin/DP), Quantumshock (50 lvl Elect/Energy/Energy), American's Defender (38 lvl Tanker - SD/Mace), Spider-Maiden (15 lvl Corruptor - RB/PD) & Siren Shrike (15 lvl Defender - Sonic/Sonic). My entire stable.
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It gets hit with the AoE penalty even in single target attacks because of gauntlet.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Does the Tanker ATO get hit with the AoE penalty? I would think so, and therefore it would be better placed in a single-target power (at least once they get single-target powers to not get the AoE penalty thanks to gauntlet).
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Culex's resistance guide
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A HA, I was just about to start a rant about how I'd done some testing with some of my ST attacks, and something was wrong... now I don't have to.|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Does the Tanker ATO get hit with the AoE penalty? I would think so, and therefore it would be better placed in a single-target power (at least once they get single-target powers to not get the AoE penalty thanks to gauntlet).
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Maybe I can get the search tool to work every now and then.
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Well perhaps, since the Proc is getting treated as being in an AoE all the time anyway, putting it in an AoE to allow multiple chances to hit is the best move at present.
But the Gauntlet bug, if that is what it is and not a Dev intended limiter, really bites. I had SO wanted this Proc to be reliably three stacked in the proper build.
Jak
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I was reading some talk in another thread that the proc checks once no matter how many targets you hit. Not sure if that's actually true, perhaps I read it wrong. At the very least the proc can only proc once per use of a power.
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Originally Posted by JakHammer
Well perhaps, since the Proc is getting treated as being in an AoE all the time anyway, putting it in an AoE to allow multiple chances to hit is the best move at present.
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Culex's resistance guide
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And it does. I have it as I've mentioned with Bone Crusher. It never fails to triple stack after it first off for the first time. This happens pretty quickly too. Then, of course, I've gone a couple of fights without it firing off. All in all, I'm pleased with the results.
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Originally Posted by JakHammer
I had SO wanted this Proc to be reliably three stacked in the proper build.
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Current active characters: Dragon Maiden (50+3 Brute SS/WP/PM), Black Widow Maiden (50+1 Night Widow), Catayclasmic Ariel (50 lvl Defender - Kin/DP), Quantumshock (50 lvl Elect/Energy/Energy), American's Defender (38 lvl Tanker - SD/Mace), Spider-Maiden (15 lvl Corruptor - RB/PD) & Siren Shrike (15 lvl Defender - Sonic/Sonic). My entire stable.
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I'd done a bit of testing in the past and found inconsistencies with the "to hit rolls". See the link in my sig for that discussion if you'd like to read it.
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Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
A HA, I was just about to start a rant about how I'd done some testing with some of my ST attacks, and something was wrong... now I don't have to.
Maybe I can get the search tool to work every now and then. Crazy times! |
Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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I've found that in at least some cases, the proc does not appear to follow the rules as stated on paragon wiki. In defensive sweep, I've had no trouble keeping the power stacked. Scorch? not so much. Follow up should be very good at working, but it isn't.|
Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
I'd done a bit of testing in the past and found inconsistencies with the "to hit rolls". See the link in my sig for that discussion if you'd like to read it.
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It's possible that the rules are different than I understand them to be, but... well, assuming the background information is what is intended, then I'm not sure the streakbraker can really explain the issue.
Assuming an AoE derating, at least in the case of some powers, would be an explanation that could match my observations...
The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie!
Actually, how about a direct question:
I guess it's statistically possible that what I'm seeing matches the data (but... eek!)
Does anyone know if this is an acknowledged bug, or should I keep poking at it?
The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie!
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Proc is bugged. I've posted on several ATO forums on it. |
Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
I've found that in at least some cases, the proc does not appear to follow the rules as stated on paragon wiki. In defensive sweep, I've had no trouble keeping the power stacked. Scorch? not so much. Follow up should be very good at working, but it isn't.
It's possible that the rules are different than I understand them to be, but... well, assuming the background information is what is intended, then I'm not sure the streakbraker can really explain the issue. Assuming an AoE derating, at least in the case of some powers, would be an explanation that could match my observations... |
The bug is as you see. I assume gauntlet (pboe taunt effect from single target attacks) is affecting the code, making it into an aoe, ergo, wont proc on time.
I put it in total focus, and by synapse and arbiter hawk, it should proc every time (base recharge 20s). It doesnt. It also seems to get worse in small groups, which fits the weird aoe formula.
50 Tanks: Invul/ss, Fire/ice/fire, Ice/em, Stone/fire
WP/Stone, dark/dark, shld/mace
50 Other: WS, SS/dark/sc brute, BS/Regen/WM scrpr, fire/fire/force blaster, rad/kin corr, mind/rad ctrl, ill/storm cntrl
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Out of curiosity, has anyone actually bugged this, or alternatively PM'd synapse et. al.?
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Originally Posted by Gashes
Proc is bugged. I've posted on several ATO forums on it.
The bug is as you see. I assume gauntlet (pboe taunt effect from single target attacks) is affecting the code, making it into an aoe, ergo, wont proc on time. I put it in total focus, and by synapse and arbiter hawk, it should proc every time (base recharge 20s). It doesnt. It also seems to get worse in small groups, which fits the weird aoe formula. |
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I'd like to hope so. I really like the proc but the inconsistency with keeping it up really drops its value IMO.
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Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
Out of curiosity, has anyone actually bugged this, or alternatively PM'd synapse et. al.?
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Jem - Ill/Rad Controller Lv 50+3 Nic - Mind/Psi Dominator Lv 50+3 Lady Liberation - Invuln/SS Tanker Lv 50+1 Invicitx - Demon/Pain Mastermind Lv 50+1 Celeste - Emp/Arch Defender Lv 50+1 Nightsilver - DB/WP Scrapper Lv 34 Dusk Howl - StJ/Regen Brute Lv 32 Kyriani - Time/Energy Defender Lv 41Psifire - FF/Psi Defender Lv 50
Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30
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Originally Posted by RadDidIt
Set? Power?
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Oh, sorry. I missed all of the replies to this somehow.
I'm Shield Defense/War Mace, and I'm thinking of removing the Chance for Leathal proc from Crowd Control and replacing it with the Might of the Tanker proc.
I'm already 50%+ Def to all positions so I thought some resistance to back it up might be nice.
Out of the known issues update: Might of the Tanker: Recharge/Chance for +Res(All) and Superior Might of the Tanker: Recharge/Chance for +Res(All) are not currently slottable into Electric Armor/Lightning Field, Fiery Aura/Blazing Aura, Ice Armor/Icicles, Stone Armor/Mud Pots and Dark Armor/Death Shroud.
When I reported this I was assured by the GM at the time that it was W.A.I. when it's clearly NOT.
I was told to take it to the forums <and get trolled> as the development team was responsible for changes to powers...
...and now its in the known issues list.
New term everyone...
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I make RAGEBAH at this!
I blow up breakfast table now!
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NO Bunneh! Not the table!
If it's on the "known issues" list, there is hope that it will be fixed.
*gives bunneh a carrot*
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I'd like to know this as well. Make sure to bug it and send them a PM with your data. I'm sometimes amazed at how bugs go unheard of by the people that should be hearing about them.
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Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
Out of curiosity, has anyone actually bugged this, or alternatively PM'd synapse et. al.?
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Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
I posted in the bug forum and PM'd synapse just to be sure this issue isn't overlooked. Hopefully we'll see it added to the "known issues" list or even better... fixed.
Jem - Ill/Rad Controller Lv 50+3 Nic - Mind/Psi Dominator Lv 50+3 Lady Liberation - Invuln/SS Tanker Lv 50+1 Invicitx - Demon/Pain Mastermind Lv 50+1 Celeste - Emp/Arch Defender Lv 50+1 Nightsilver - DB/WP Scrapper Lv 34 Dusk Howl - StJ/Regen Brute Lv 32 Kyriani - Time/Energy Defender Lv 41Psifire - FF/Psi Defender Lv 50
Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30
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For the record the devs are aware that this is a bug.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
I'd like to know this as well. Make sure to bug it and send them a PM with your data. I'm sometimes amazed at how bugs go unheard of by the people that should be hearing about them.
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fix schedule? no clue at all.
and honestly? if they decided it was *relatively* low priority then I couldn't blame them too much.
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Really? You're a bit too nice, and I tend to push Minnesota nice to the extreme! |
Originally Posted by Spiritchaser
For the record the devs are aware that this is a bug.
fix schedule? no clue at all. and honestly? if they decided it was *relatively* low priority then I couldn't blame them too much. |
It's a new feature of I22 and a big reward for vets, as well as purchasable by players. The devs showed a willingness to make sure the Scrapper proc was working as needed (look up Synapse's posts). If it isn't something that is fixed soon, that's an issue. Sure, it'd be tossed on the other things that could use attention, but that's not an argument in favor of letting it sit.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
I have the proc slotted in Haymaker and I find it works pretty good as is, but I just see it as an added bonus so my expectations aren't that high. I get one stack fairly consistently, hitting two or three is just gravy.
I've got enough Astral Merits for one of the new ATO enhancements. I'm thinking of replacing my Scirocco Dervish Chance for Lethal with the Chance for +Res from the new Tanker ATO.
Any reason to not just do this?