After so many honest trades...

first of on the programing side it not to hard to fix the issue the op had. all they need to go is add a gift button on the trade window if a user want to gift i/o or cash. if the trade button is clicked the game should know there going to be money ot an iteam traded.if a party walks away in the middle of the trade then the money or io should not leave the sellers or buyers hands. if they mske s new trsding toon or an e-trader you should have to reg your chat hanndel and pay some inf to register as a big inf trader. these large trsders should have a feedback system of just stars no words that would be a simple color code..ie red for bad trader...gold or another color for top trader an empty star for new trader.

@ the OP

Sorry for your loss. I will do my due diligence to make sure people know this guy is a scammer and not to group with him.

As for the Devs or the Mods..
Long, Long, LONG story short. They are useless and lack an reasonable common sense. I feel like I am calling some third world country tech support when I have to deal with one. I really just curse to myself when I have to hit that support button.

I agree with some of the posters here. I know as well they have all the logs and even transaction logs from the market. I don't think anyone would have issue if it took some time to correct the condition as long as it's eventually corrected.

You know sometimes you don't really have to arrest someone to fix a problem. Sometimes just talking to a person and letting them know that your aware of the situation will fix it.

Who hasn't heard a cop say once in their lives "IF I HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AGAIN ! ". Even if it's from someone else story.

I've been blessed with 2 really good kids who 99% of the time cause no issues and are honestly smarter then me when I was their age ( okay even now sometimes at my age ).

BUT
1% of the time they forget and think they think our home is a democracy instead of a dictatorship and they get out of line with my wife. My wife then just brings them back down to earth reminding them she has daddy's phone number on speed dial and will call him so they can explain the issue to me. Even then occasionally I get a phone call and have some crying kid on the phone with my wife in the background saying "Go ahead tell him. You wanted to talk to daddy, go ahead tell him."

End result I can't understand what they are saying over the crying and my wife's phone gets a bunch of snot all over it. But the condition is corrected as the kids now know their idea wasn't good.

If the GM would have just attempted to address this other person, that might have been enough for that other person to be persuaded to send the money back.

People under estimate that "Oh Crap, they know factor" .

I didn't think you could convert across categories like that, making a standard IO into a PVPIO.

Im going to bloody bay to hunt wabbits!

The 3 procs topdoc is talking about converting to have no base enhancement vaule, so the lowest level works just as well as the highest but you may slot them sooner.

Lvl 15 vs lvl 10 may affect its value but not by much.

I've been large scale farming since a while after Issue 21 came out, so I have thousands of level 50 PvP IOs. So do lots of other people. People have been farming PvP IOs since they came out. If they have any brains (and they probably do if they're farming them), then they've been saving the extra on general principle. About 1/2 to 1/3 of the PvP IOs have been expensive, but even the worst ones have almost always been worth crafting and selling. But if your market slots are full you still craft them and drop them in a base. So there is a very large supply of junk PvP IOs out there. If I have thousands, I'm guessing there are tens of thousands at least stashed away in bases.

If the devs stop AFK PvP IO farming, that huge supply is still out there. The PvPers will be able to convert and get whatever they need. The huge stash will slowly go down as people with them sell, but the big 3 will be WAY more accessible than ever. Anyone who claims that a dev fix for AFK PvP IO farming will hurt supply will be laughed at, justifiably so. Everyone who wants them will be rolling in them.

Given that PvP IOs work just fine when exemp'd, farmers have been farming level 50s probably without exception. It was never worth it to farm lower level ones since people would only buy the procs. So that huge supply of junk PvP IOs is all 50s. When Enhancement Converters go live, that huge stock of junk 50s will start entering the Market and people will start converting them to the nice ones. It may not be worthwhile for someone with a large stock of PvP IOs to sell then when the cheap ones are 5M each, but it's another story when they reach 50M. Price will go down on expensive ones across the board. Me and the other smart marketeers will squeeze out all the profit we can in the first day, crashing prices. Supply will go up as people convert junk ones for resale. All it takes is a simple guide from me and a LOT of people will be listing Glad Armor: +3% Def IOs for sale in the Market. Or they can sell lots of middle prices ones. Demand will go down as some people create their own. I doubt if the big 3 will drop as far as 200M, but they could be close. However there's no way a Glad Armor: Resist will stay above 200M.

Historically, the supply of low level PvP IOs has been nearly 0. Most PvP Enhancements and Recipes between 10 and 20 have NEVER sold on the market. So if anyone really wants a low level PvP IO, even after Enhancement Converters, their only option is paying an Emp or AM farmer who currently charge around 2B each. I do expect their prices to drop, but not nearly as much. It will still take the farmers just as much effort, but demand will go down given the price difference. I think the big 3 at level 10 will be around 1B.

Yes there is a difference between level 10 and level 15. I can make lots of 15s, but I can't make lots of 10s. The people who REALLY insist on one of the big 3 level 10 PvP IOs can pay 1B. The only other low level big 3s on the market will be mine for say 800M. I'll let the Market decide if they're worth it. Alternatively, I'll be able to sell my low level junk PvP IOs to people who want to convert their own. If the junk level 50s are going for say 50M, I expect I'll be able to charge 200M at least for my level 15s. As long as I don't flood the market. If I have a large stock and no one else has any, I can sell them slowly for a nice profit.

You must be really in love with the idea because how badly you are hurting yourself isn't penetrating. Oh well most people come up with ideas then defend them to the death.


So lets put your scheme in really simple terms. What do you need to happen to win your bet.

First you need low level IOs to hold their high value.

Well lets look at the last five Glad Level 10s recipe

Recipe
2-18 2,000,000,000
2-19 1,888,888,888
2-20 1,500,000,000
2-24 1,900,000,000
2-28 1,611,111,111

6 listed on the market. At a guess these things aren't doing to well even without the converters.

At level 50 the price is holding steady at around 1.7 billion. with 7 for sale.

It doesn't look like you are getting your premium, unless you expect level 15s to sell for a higher premium ?


Ok you aren't coming out ahead on that part but lets see how you do on the conversion.

You are a smart guy, so you're going to convert stuff in the same set as the procs you want to sell. After all the level 15 items are all worthless.

So you have this process

1. Craft IO from set.
2. Average 5 conversions to get the proc and 15 converters or 1.5 hero merits
3. Sell the IO.

so you have burnt 150,000,000 worth of merits to get your proc

But wait, those sets panacea, shield wall gladiators armor are pretty pricey to begin with, and even the cheapest crafted PVP IOs at level 50 go for an easy 30 million.

Call the average price of the items in the sets 100 mil, and you are out 250 mil and the time and cost to craft those IOs before you even start.

So your bet is that demand for the level 15s will be high enough that they will be worth greater than 300 million more than level 50 IOs. And that there will be demand enough to make this profitable.

Oh and the cost for converting IOs not in sets is going to be approximately 400 mill so for those its going to be a 500 million premium.

Just how much do you expect your level 15s to sell for ? And just how many do you think you can move ?

Who is the market for these ? People that can't figure out how to buy a level 50 at wentworths, and an unslotter from the paragon market ?

As far as the L50 PVPIOs, I've always been under the impression that there's a large oversupply of everything but a few, compared to the actual demand. For every "Big 3" you generate, what, 20 cheap ones? I don't know.

There has, recently, been an even bigger supply because people have been able to farm with Freed accounts.

Is it particularly common to see people with a whole bunch of PVP bonuses in their build? I don't remember ever seeing it but I haven't done a lot of looking.