After so many honest trades...

There are two people that I know of on freedom that are scamming.... One is the pl4y3r person and the other is like parking violation (my bad) was the name

I haven't been scammed but I'm just letting you know there is more than one doing the same crap.

After more thought, and more evidence, I'm pretty sure I was wrong. While there are things that the GM's have put in the "not our problem" category before (like this and, I think, pay-for-PL arrangements) I don't ever remember "cheating people in trades" being specifically mentioned.

I am sorry you got ripped, but really, the market is in place for a reason and that alone will probably not get you any support help.

With a global name like @really bro, I'd be hard pressed to trust them lol.

But in all seriousness, this was an unfortunate incident and sorry you got hosed.

What's worse is this user has been on a scam run for a good month now doing this same thing to many users. The fact it's not a bannable offense to SCAM other users out of their goods ingame is bull.

I've seen other people following this user on these actions recently aswell. So, by support saying they won't get involved they're actually encouraging users to do so by making it clear there will be no consequence.

These users aren't claiming they have an item another is looking for, making a deal then backing out: They're ADVERTISING these items on a <bleeping> hourly basis over channels such as help with clear intentions to scam users and doing so. I've seen this happen in front of me countless times now. Not always can there be a user to warn others and most are unsuspecting- this game is bound around the trust and friendships built in my opinion. If it weren't for the good people I've met in this game, I would not be playing to this day.

Time to get off your butts and make an addition to them terms and agreements, Paragon Studios/NCsoft- for the good of your users and customers.

Literally the exact same thing happened to me a few days ago. I was trading with scammer for the Shield Wall Proc. I proposed the 1Bill influence and she accepted it and within 2 seconds after that I received a tell saying "gtfo n00b" and then was immediately ignored and she logged. Needless to say I was pissed.

Hmm.

I take it the CoH forums don't have any policy against naming people with whom we've engaged in failed trades, etc.?

Maybe we should just make it a market forum thing: Keep an updated list of people who have been alleged to have done such scams, make a list of people who've been reimbursed, and pretty much reimburse anyone who asks. Because, really, there's no way the pool of victims can keep up with the kind of money generation the marketeers do.

I think the right way to frame it is as a purchase; we're buying the self-respect of the scammers, which is why they end up with more money, we end up with less, and yet they end up with no self-respect and we end up with some. Clearly, we have purchased it.

I actually don't know how often I can afford to do this -- I seriously have no clue whether my net worth in game is over or under 10B, and I've been a bit wary of messing with the market too much between now and when enhancement converters have been in effect for a bit.

There used to be a rule against naming for just that reason.

Well, I'm used to there being rules against naming, but I'm also used to there being rules against fraud. And it seems to me that you need either both or neither, because otherwise you're simultaneously not defending people from predators and forbidding them from taking steps to defend themselves.

The problem is, if it were allowed to post names to call out fraudsters, then we'd have to sift through the fraudulent postings claiming decent people were fraudsters out of malice, and once one's been accused, it's hard to prove one didn't do something a clever liar says you did.

It's imperfect as things are, but I suspect better than it might be if we were allowed to call names out in public forums for in-game fraud and deception.

Only way to deal with this situation either only deal with people you know or ban private trades of this sort.With the amount of influence being earned in the game why sell things for over 2 billion,ok so people don,t want to pay the Wentworth fees but really does it take that long to earn your 100 mill back.

"With the amount of influence being earned in the game why sell things for over 2 billion,"

... because that's what people are willing to pay. I've bought things from people who were happy to get my price, and sold the same things to people who were happy to pay my price.

I have philosophical reasons why I want people to pay Wentworth fees but if an individual is willing to take the risk to avoid them, that's an option they have.

Sorry to hear about the trade.

As TopDoc observed, in I22 there will be nothing worth 1B any more, so this is a non-issue, however, it's not hard to solve:

Put in a vendor that will buy or sell some token item for 1B influence. Bars of thrice-enchanted impervamantium or whatever. Bingo, you can now trade any amount of influence safely.

My condolences to the OP also, it's awesome to see so many people volunteer to stand up and help out someone in that kind of situation. It's a testament to how awesome the COH community is.

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Originally Posted by Plasma As TopDoc observed, in I22 there will be nothing worth 1B any more

Not sure that I agree with that assessment. I can see level 50 GA/SW/Pan uniques dropping down in price, perhaps below the 1b mark some time down the road, but that's barring any future changes which we can't account for. I don't see the level 10 versions of the aforementioned uniques going below a billion at any point even in the distantly-near future though.