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Guys, I did more testing last night and I think this is what happens and it says in the description.

Stalker proc rate is 4x in one minute and for an attack with 15s base recharge, it has 100% chance to happen.

This means whenever I start the fight fresh, I almost always get a critical (if I don't get hit or if I am not running an offensive toggle) right after A-strike but if I cycle A-strike before the 15s mark, I don't get a critical. This doesn't mean the proc is broken. It just means that it can only happen once every 15s.

There's some problems with an offensive toggle that may ruin the proc. I tried not to run chilling embrace when I did the testing and I am pretty sure that's what's happening.

If you don't get a proc after 15s mark from a-strike, then there is a bug.

Think about it, getting a 100% critical each time you use a-strike sounds too crazy, don't you think? We get about 4 critical in one minute. That is still pretty good.

As for the re-hide issue, I think they just need to reduce duration from 10s to 5s or less. There's really no reason to keep it at 10s because it does not reduce aggro and even if you use A-strike within 15s, you don't get a critical.

Am I correct on this?

I am seeing the same thing with regards to offensive toggle, chilling embrace is what I'm using as well. When it is turned on, it seems like the crit only occurs every once in a while (almost like the standard 10% chance of crit). It's as if the toggle is causing a hit before the next attack and therefore it does not get the proc crit?

When I have chilling embrace turned off, so far I have crit every time after AS. I queue next attack immediately after hitting AS.

I am using the non-superior version of the proc, DB primary using ablating strike after AS, and have been testing on the small packs of prisoners around the Zig (425 so far) as a level 34.

Not sure if this helps, but at least wanted to share what I'm seeing. : )

I have the full set on live and I thought the base chance to hide was 20%....thus why I didnt see it go off all the time....but then I catalyzed the entire set and it does put me in hide every time. The thing is I realized right off....and also from play....that Assassin strike doesnt recharge that fast....and going back to hide....isnt a placate as everything still attacks you....thus I placed the set in a different attack....so I could utilize my attack chains faster.

So its in my nifty other upper cut finisher instead....at least for my street justice character.

But again I didnt realize the base un-catalyzed power was also 100%...

Ah well...I have the set in a number of stalkers....so I guess when I get home I will see how it works for my claws stalker....since I did place it in that ones Assassin strike.
And also catalyzed.

I just ran a bunch of pylons on test on my StJ/Ice to test this.

Without CE running, the stalker ATO proc in Assassin's Strike seemed to proc a Hidden crit on the next attack a "majority" of times but not always. It seemed that I could wait a brief second for Hidden to appear, and that would better my chances -- rather than having the following attack queued.

Having said that, there were a number of times when the proc simply would appear to stop functioning for a run of attack chains. And that *maybe* I could get it to start triggering again by breaking the attack chain, hitting 1-3 other powers, and then coming back to it.

With CE running, it really seemed that the chance of a Hidden crit from the proc (on next attack) was significant reduced. I also couldn't tell if Reactive interface was having this effect as well ... if Reactive was still burning on the pylon, was it also interfering with the proccing of Hidden?

I'm going to PM my combat logs to Synapse and ask him about it. Maybe you guys can do the same.

I PM'd Synapse to explain the issues people are reporting here, and my own findings from some pylon runs, but he hasn't responded.

Here are two combat logs from my Pylon runs. These were without Chilling Embrace. Typically ever Crushing Uppercut or other attack after an AS should have a crit, due to the hidden proc, but you can see it's not the case.

I don't know if it's Reactive interface damage interfering with the proc. Or maybe it's the proc supressing itself within some time period (10 secs?).

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...GDBRKQx08/edit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...yzfZ1_eng/edit

Please shoot Synapse a note to get him to look at how the proc is working, if you're seeing problems.

Hey Granite, thanks so much for taking the time to test this. It sounds like you are seeing the CE issue, as well as, another issue with the hides.

Everybody,

I have spent the past hour or so arresting prisoners again, this time going from level 34 to 35, and I am seeing some really wild stuff.

I will say that I am reproducing the CE issue 100% of the time. For testing purposes I turned off Hide, turned off CE, only use Assassin Blade on the first strike, and waited for the all the Hide(s) to clear before moving to each pack depending on how quickly I kill everything. Everytime I hit the first mob with Assassin Blades, and then proceed with Ablating Strike I get the crit, unless I got interrupted in that first second after AB. 100% of the time.

Doing that same process, however with CE turned on: I do not get 100% crit. It is more like 10% of the time, which is the normal innate percentage for most stalkers powers.

So I think we have that issue nailed down to true, if everybody agrees, that the auto-hit of CE is in queue before any other attack after you break from the Hide. Therefore when you unhide from Assassin Blade (or AS, etc…), CE takes the crit, and then your next attack is left with the innate 10% chance to crit (or specific innate % of the power).

For the Hiding issue, which I’m just now digging into, I will make another post instead of this one being too long of a post.

Cheers.

Hi Everybody,

The other issue that I was trying reproduce was the Hiding issue, but it is difficult because I don’t have a lot of recharge unless I turn on hasten, and with interrupts, and apparent stacking hides (not sure what to call it), man it is driving me nuts trying to figure out what is happening.

This is again running without Hide and since im /ice I have CE turned off.

For testing I just hit the first critter with Assassin Blades and do the normal damage since I’m not in hide mode.

After the hit, I go into hide mode due to the proc, and wait for AB to recharge.

As long as I do not get interrupted, and I can then hit AB again and since I’m now hidden get the assassin strike critical.

If I use Ablating Strike next, sometimes I get the crit and sometimes I don’t. This could be a crit from the innate 10% of the power. However, when I don’t crit it seems to happen most often when I switch targets, or after I’m interrupted. Very difficult to determine what is happening at this point.

However, if it does not crit, but does in fact hit, I will still go into hide mode (maybe a stacking hide from the previous AB -> AB cycle?). I use AB again and get the assassin strike critical.

At this point, I can rinse-and-repeat this, although with a bit of pause. Nonetheless, I can continue on with AB getting assassin strike, ablating strike no crit, … rinse-and-repeat.

Sometimes I’m interrupted, sometimes I miss with Ablating Strike, and then things really start getting wonky and unpredictable. Even cases where I’m interrupted, yeah hidden reappears, and then I still get the assassin strike critical.

In any case, If I do what Granite discussed, and just get out of combat and give everything a chance to reset, then everything works as normal.

It’s when those hides start getting mixed in with attack chains that things get really wild.

Anyway I hope this helps.

Talk to you all laters.

I bought some Super Packs and got some ATOs that are either labeled Rare or Very Rare. Are Very Rare the "superior" version or I still need to convert it with catalyst?

Jibikao, I also wanted to thank you as well for initially posting about CE earlier in this thread. The other day, when I first got that ATO, I figured I would go get the warden badge. When it wasn't proc'ing as often as I thought it should, I came here to boards, and yours was the first post I saw that mentioned CE being the cause.

Cheers.

Driftwood, it sounds like the problem you're having with the proc and criticals is the same thing I posted about on the beta forums. I haven't tried the proc myself on live so I wasn't sure if it was working the same way or not.

The proc seems to works in kind of a weird way. When the proc goes off and puts you into Hidden, it also gives you a buff called Stalker's Guile. This buff, at least on beta, lasts 10 seconds and while the buff is up you won't get another proc from using the power with it slotted. Instead, if you would've gotten another proc, it'll go off after the existing Stalker's Guile buff would wear off and renew the buff again.

If you have it slotted in AS (with its 100% crit chance) and use it more often than once every 10 seconds, you'll be getting the Hidden proc in roughly 10 second intervals (it seems to be slightly longer than 10 seconds but less than 11), unrelated to when you use AS. There also seems to be some sort of stacking issue with it that's causing the occassional double Hidden proc where you'll become hidden twice in a row with a short delay inbetween.

If you let the buff wear off, it should work as expected with AS immediately putting you back into Hidden.

Ok, how do I get a Catalyst? I know it drops in itrial but I thought you can buy it in the store in beta? I can't find it. I wanted to test Superior version this morning.


And also, how do I use Enhancement Unslotter? It says I can just drag the slotted one out to my enhancement tray but I swear it doesn't let me do that. It is confusing! lol I wanted to unslot my Stalker Guile from a-strike and put it in Uppercut to see how it performs.

For clarity again, the superior hide IO will proc automatically 100% of the time if in any single target attack whose base recharge is 15 sec or more even if:
(1) You have global recharge enhancements in it that make it much faster (this seemed covered above)
AND (2) You have enhancements slotted in the power that make recharge faster?

I am just wanting to make sure. I put it in energy punch on my EM stalker but this seems like a big mistake now (and I only have 1 respec remaining.)