Archetype sets


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I see they are in the Auction houses now.

1. are they just random drops?
2. are they constructed?

I've tried to google this and can't find anything on the subject.


 

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You can purchase them through the new super packs or via merit vendors, both for Reward Merits and Astrals. They're not cheap, on the magnitude of several hundred merits and a 4 day cool down.

And I think it was said when I22 goes live they will drop from mobs, but I could be wrong or misinformed.


 

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Some are selling fairly cheap on the market (around 15 million) while some are a bit more pricy (200+ million), as people are bulk-buying and selling what they don't want.

The market will probably stabilize over the next few days, so hurry up and check the markets and nab what's cheap. I saw some defender and kheldian parts for 15 million, haha.


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To elaborate on the OP's 2nd question.

They are not construsted IO's and will not accept IO boosters, a possible factor in extreme builds.

Also, the baseline ATO's and the Catalyzed Purple of the same ATO, do not mix for set bonus purposes. Three of each type in the same power would mean two seperate sets of bonus 1 and 2. This may be an exploitable advantage in certain sets, but if you want set bonuses beyond the first two then all four, five, or six ATOs need to be one or the other.

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Originally Posted by JakHammer View Post
To elaborate on the OP's 2nd question.

They are not construsted IO's and will not accept IO boosters, a possible factor in extreme builds.

Also, the baseline ATO's and the Catalyzed Purple of the same ATO, do not mix for set bonus purposes. Three of each type in the same power would mean two seperate sets of bonus 1 and 2. This may be an exploitable advantage in certain sets, but if you want set bonuses beyond the first two then all four, five, or six ATOs need to be one or the other.

Jak
they have a new Booster called a Catalyst. But if you boost it it is now account bound.


 

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Originally Posted by OutaControl View Post
I see they are in the Auction houses now.

1. are they just random drops?
2. are they constructed?

I've tried to google this and can't find anything on the subject.

I think your first question was answered really well, as to your second question:


The ATOs are not crafted in anyway. Currently when you obtain them they show up in your "character" tab on your email. When you claim them from there they will show up in your enhancement storage tray. So there is no crafting associated with these types of enchaments.


I actually have a related (somewhat question) can anyone confirm that enhancement converters will work on these?


 

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Originally Posted by The_Masque View Post
I actually have a related (somewhat question) can anyone confirm that enhancement converters will work on these?
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Originally Posted by Clockwork O1 View Post
Yes.
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Originally Posted by Agent White View Post
And I think it was said when I22 goes live they will drop from mobs, but I could be wrong or misinformed.
The ATOs themselves don't drop from enemies. The enhancement catalyst things that improve them will drop from Dark Astoria enemies though.


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Some of these sets are more game changing than others. I hate I will have to farm hardcore for these now. I just blew thru 1500 merits yesterday on alts that were hoarding them. I just want to know would it be faster to farm the reward merits than it would to farm the astrals? What puzzles me is the 4 day count on these. Its dumb as it really holds back how much money can get burned out of the system at one time. I figure if you already put time to get 400+ merits and/or 50+ astrals you should not have to wait since you already put time into this.


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Originally Posted by EvilRyu View Post
I figure if you already put time to get 400+ merits and/or 50+ astrals you should not have to wait since you already put time into this.
Ahh, but you can also get a ton of merits out of the hero pack things too now. So not quite so much anymore.


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Originally Posted by Oliin View Post
Ahh, but you can also get a ton of merits out of the hero pack things too now. So not quite so much anymore.
As an example, I spent $15.00 yesterday and used the points to buy the 24-super pack deal. Out of that I wound up with 950 merits, which I can claim and use on any character on the account.



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Originally Posted by Organica View Post
As an example, I spent $15.00 yesterday and used the points to buy the 24-super pack deal. Out of that I wound up with 950 merits, which I can claim and use on any character on the account.
I'm not seeing the ability to add 2.5 chosen ATOs to the 14 or so random ones opening those will have generated as game breaking.


 

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I'm not seeing the ability to add 2.5 chosen ATOs to the 14 or so random ones opening those will have generated as game breaking.
I don't either. Right at the moment people are flush with merits, and someone in the Market forum noted that things that have historically sold for 100-200 million on the market such as the Luck of the Gambler +7.5% recharge IO are suddenly going for 50 million. But right now there's a rush of people buying the Super Packs; that'll fade. I'm not planning to buy any more of this pack now that I have the full costume set, for example.

But I don't think 400 merits for an ATO is a massive grind either. I join 1-2 TFs a night so I'm always earning merits. I still save up Hero Merits for the occasional Glad Armor +3% def purchase, and that takes much longer... and when I'm doing that, I'm trying to earn 50 merits a day so that I can convert them.

And it's easy to say, "But I'm a power gamer," but really, I know a lot of people that do 1-2 TFs a night.



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Ok, I have a whole set of ATEs slotted. But, I am not seeing the Special Enhancement Bonus listed anywhere. Am I missing something?


 

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Originally Posted by graystar_blaster View Post
they have a new Booster called a Catalyst. But if you boost it it is now account bound.
They (the purpled Catalysted ATOs) are more restrictive than Account Bound, they're Character Bound. Can't even pass them to alts. Same with the Catalysts... once you claim them from the email interface, they are Character Bound. And with I22, Catalysts will be drops... which will be Character Bound.

EDIT: Ooops. Superior ATOs are Account Bound, not Character Bound. Catalysts are Character Bound, however.

EDIT II: People are reporting Catalyst drops from iTrials, so... seems that doesn't have to wait til I22.


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I can fully support the Catalysts being account-bound, but character-bound seems a poorly implemented. The character-bound idea works well from the standpoint of redeeming them from Superpack rewards, which I am seriously considering getting some of. You have some number of catalysts available for redemption on the character of your choice, at which point they become character locked; if you didn't want that character to have it, then you shouldn't have hit the button to claim it.

However, these catalysts are also available as rare drops from enemies on incarnate trials (or iTrials), and this is where the character-locking model falls short. My personal situation: my blaster on Freedom has snatched a full set of Blaster's Wrath ATOs from Wentworths. Great deal, some of the best inf I've ever spent, given that (IMO) the set is superior to the majority of purple IO sets. I am now trying to iTrial my way towards getting 6 catalysts for them (1 down, 5 to go). Drop rates to be determined, of course, but I hope to get the others within a month or so. That said, my Blaster is my most played character, and given that the ATOs appear to be unique, after my blaster gets all 6 ATOs upgraded, any future catalyst drops he receives will be literally useless, until / unless future ATO sets are released.

Incarnate supplies (threads, etc.) seem like a reasonable comparison, since the catalysts appear to only drop from iTrials so far. There is a reasonable upper bound to the amount of threads / components any one character has utility for; once you have your favorite boost upgraded to tier 4 in every available slot, your zeal to accumulate more of them will logically decline. That said, there is still some use for earning more; you can either hoard them in anticipation of new Incarnate slots opening up (saving up a reserve of Shards to upgrade into Threads when Judgement and friends became available), or craft new varieties of incarnate powers; a different Destiny buff to suit your league's needs, different Lore pets for different character costumes/motifs, different Alpha boosts depending on if you're PvPing or running TFs or soloing or what-have-you.

With the catalysts, there may be future uses for them coming down the pipeline; I would hope so, but I (and most other players) don't have any evidence what timeframe we are looking at for that. If not, they will become literally useless drops on a character that already has a full set of superior ATOs. Going back to the Incarnate salvage idea, with the introduction of Astral Christie and Empyrean Michael (sp?), the dev team introduced a way for players to transfer what were originally character-locked items (astral/empyrean merits) to other characters on their account through the global email system, albeit at a slight fee, and I would hope that some similar arrangement could be made for this new flavor of character-locked item.

For reference, I'm just fine with the upgraded ATOs being character locked; if I went through the considerable effort of buying and upgrading them for a favored character, as some of the best sets in the game, I'm not about to field-strip them. The catalysts themselves, however, could use a second pass.


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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
They (the purpled Catalysted ATOs) are more restrictive than Account Bound, they're Character Bound. Can't even pass them to alts. Same with the Catalysts... once you claim them from the email interface, they are Character Bound. And with I22, Catalysts will be drops... which will be Character Bound.
That does not appear to be the case. I unslotted a purpled ATIO from my Widow, mailed it to myself, and claimed it on my Spider. It only says I can't slot it because I'm not 50.


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That does not appear to be the case. I unslotted a purpled ATIO from my Widow, mailed it to myself, and claimed it on my Spider. It only says I can't slot it because I'm not 50.
My mistake. Just tested this and you're right. Superior ATOs are Account Bound and not Character Bound.

However, Catalysts are Character Bound, so, be careful which character claims it from the email interface.


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Originally Posted by Doctor_Kumquat View Post
blah blah blah... after my blaster gets all 6 ATOs upgraded, any future catalyst drops he receives will be literally useless, until / unless future ATO sets are released...blah blah blah...
Admittedly it's a bit of a pain, but you can easily mail the ATO's from your other characters (on the same account) to said Blaster, Catalyze them, then mail them back. In theory you can just get catalysts for all your characters on that one blaster

EDIT: corrected spelling to satisfy the Grammar Police, and to concede that yes, this is incorrect information


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Originally Posted by Mistress Rue View Post
Admittedly it's a bit of a pain, but you can easily mail the ATO's from your other characters (on the same account) to said Blaster, Catalze them, then mail them back. In theory you can just get catalyst for all your characters on that one blaster
Calatyzing requires that the enhancement be slotted, so if the enhancement in question isn't a Blaster ATO, no they can't. And if it IS a Blaster ATO, they still can't, because they've already got a full set slotted, and the pieces are all Unique.


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Originally Posted by Mistress Rue View Post
Admittedly it's a bit of a pain, but you can easily mail the ATO's from your other characters (on the same account) to said Blaster, Catalze them, then mail them back. In theory you can just get catalyst for all your characters on that one blaster
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Originally Posted by Roderick View Post
Calatyzing requires that the enhancement be slotted, so if the enhancement in question isn't a Blaster ATO, no they can't. And if it IS a Blaster ATO, they still can't, because they've already got a full set slotted, and the pieces are all Unique.
I have a feeling I'll be posting this regularly for the next few months. .....
Catalysis, noun - the process of speeding up or causing a reaction, accent on second syllable

Catalyst, noun - the thing causing the reaction, accent on first syllable

Catalyze (catalyzing, catalyzed), verb - to cause catalysis to happen, accent on first syllable

Catalytic, adj. - pertaining to catalysis, accent on first syllable.
Say no to: Catalytizing, catalystizing, catalyzation, and catalytization. They are not the right forms.


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I'm not sure you have any grounds for complaint, Zombie. Yes, the word is being used wrong.
First: do you have a better suggestion?
Second: We're not in a chemistry class; the root word is being misused anyways, and it's quite common for words to be repurposed in games, in the context of said game, without altering the basic meaning of the word. I'd be willing to bet that the devs themselves say "catalyze an enhancement", in which case, the word has been repurposed, and this use IS right.
Third: Do you really expect anyone to say "I used a catalyst on my enhancement" or "I caused my enhancement to undergo catalysis", rather than "I catalyzed my enhancement"?

Hell, this is the internet. Give it a week and it'll be " I cat'd my enh."


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